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Old man shouts
I already know that no one here would actually carry out the experiment if I was to lay it out to you.
No one would accept 2 of 3 preliminary conditions.
1) One condition needed that all atheists have already is the disbelief's or lack of beliefs in the existence of God or gods.
2) Take a year off from work and all distractions that keeps one too preoccupied.
3) The first 3 months do not contact any friends. Only family is acceptable.
Any takers and I'll give you the rest of the experiment?
The easiest way to detect something observable is to be with me for a short amount of time. Then you have something you have observed to start with. The invitation is extended.
Let's see how honest you are about testing the experiment to validate or invalidate my claims.
No rush...You can wait for retirement if that helps
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You are nutters. Expecting someone to put their life on hold FOR A YEAR for you?
Try harder, how about some proof instead of challenging someone to sacrifice a year of their life (not to mention putting the wife and kids out in the cold because you are not working).
@ In Spirit
Do grow up...really? Follow you around for a fucking year? For why? Why does a year have significance? why not 3 months or a day or a trimester? Sounds like bollocks to me. Sounds like a cop out.
You have already claimed that you have "saved people" then the solution is simple: verifiable names addresses , circumstances and independent witnesses...what, too hard? Not even one?
Well lets see you take the James Randle Challenge...what? No? Scared your lies will come back and slap you...never mind you can do what the others did " the spirit isnt with me today" "The vibe was wrong" Smells like bullshit from here mate.
Fuck me pink in a chandelier, do you not think I, at my age have not seen professional "psychics" ply their despicable trade?
If you have got it, sunshine, fucking well flaunt it or fuck off back to la la land.
"Your conditions"...fuck me dead you are in fucking dreamland old cock.
fucking psychics (or clairvoyants or whatever )
"fucking psychics (or clairvoyants or whatever )"
I think we can all agree that they deserve fucking.
Oh do behave In Spirit, how many times must I repeat your phrase "I have no diety"?
Thu, 03/21/2019 - 15:22 (Reply to #113)
In Spirit " I have no deity." "I do not believe in deities."
Two quotes from you just three posts ago on this very page, link...
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/are-there-any-people-h...
Now do come along, you have dishonestly misrepresented me twice now, and now you're pretending not to know that not believing in any deities is by definition an atheist.
It's like herding cats.....
@In Spirit
"This is what I meant by the position that atheists hold. "There is no deity. Prove it under strict scientific verifiable methods and we, the atheists, will engage in a merited discussion." Am I getting it?"
No, despite the many descriptions you have been offered.
I never state that there is no deity. My position as an atheist is that a theist makes an extraordinary claim. I do not deny it, but I definitely need to be convinced. And for me, that is proof.
For example, if I asserted that yesterday I had a few beers with Odin. Would you accept that as true? I do have a few empty beer bottles, that should be proof.
David K
I agree with you. You are more open minded than other people.
Thank you. Odin just texted me and he thanks you.
"Thank you. Odin just texted me and he thanks you."
THOR, you goddamn heathen, pfft!
How appropriate you mention his name on Thorsday.
Odin, that fargin ice hole...he owes me...I beat the shiznit out of him at beer pong, for the bet of immortality...and now he says he doesn't remember, and flugs off holding his eye in pain...what a dick...he won't answer my texts that fargin bustrage. Grrrr.
@ In Spirit
No, not even close. That would be very nice. In fact it would be preferable. Bt you need to revisit the well and drink of wisdom, ot least understand basic definitions.
If you read my threads my main 'expertise' is in the Early Church, if you want to convince me of the truth of the synoptic gospels, start by finding me archeological and historical evidence of the miraculous claims therein. Doesn't have to be "under strict scientific conditions" but you will be tipping the balance of probabilities in that god's favour. Capisce?
It seems I have been correct in my assumption that you have nothing. You have only your personal revelation/experience.
That doesn't cut it. That is a tale you are spinning...see, "I do not believe you" anymore than you believe in Eric the Rainbow Farting Unicorn That Lives in my Garage.
I can be quite sincere in my belief in Eric,keeping him happy with cuddles and carrots and experiencing him every day. But that is not evidence for Eric's existence, any more than your 'experience' is proof of your "Great Spirit" or Ratty's Overlord.
That you and GH, and Ratty, all have these differing personal experiences is only evidence that, wait for it, you all have different personal experiences that you call respectively "Great Spirit", "God", "Overlord".
Do you see that? Your personal experience evidences zero. In these forums we see these claims all the time with the same results....no corroboration, no evidence....nothing except verbiage.
You cannot 'logic' a god into being. You cannot verbalise a god into being. Personal experience is not evidence.
Now when you go into retreat think of those things, and, if you return, come bearing the gifts of evidence.
@In Spirit - Am I getting it?
SERIOUSLY? How in the hell long have you been on this site? Do you need sign language? It is an international site, someone could PM you in another language. Do you need a dictionary? One can be found here, https://www.dictionary.com/
I have avoided entering this thread for over 50 posts, just to keep myself from responding to the inane assertions. And the posts are whiny, complaining and just not getting it. How is this possible? It just makes me wonder, "Do educational institutions give refunds?" I know I should have gotten one when I was younger. I guess I was not the only one. Then again. some of us recognize a problem and set out to deal with it. Let's try again......
GOD EXISTS - This is a single proposition. It is either true or not true.
GOD DOES NOT EXIST - This is a single proposition. It is either true or not true.
Are you following me so far???
If you assert "God Exists" you are making a statement that requires evidence. Lacking evidence there is no reason to believe the proposition. (Null Hypothesis - There is no reason to believe a hypothesis until it has been shown to be true.) The proposition "God Exists" is found to be "NOT TRUE." There is no evidence supporting it. THIS SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE PROPOSITION "GOD DOES NOT EXIST." No one said anything about God not existing. All that is stated is that the proposition "God exists" is not ture.
If you assert "God does not Exist" you are making a statement that requires evidence. Lacking evidence there is no reason to believe the proposition. The proposition "God does not Exist" is found to be "NOT TRUE." There is no evidence supporting it. THIS SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE PROPOSITION "GOD EXISTS." No one said anything about God existing. Only that you have not proved god does not exist.
ATHEISTS DO NOT HOLD THE POSITION: "God does not exist." This would be a subset of atheism called "anti-theism" or "strong atheism." The boundary between atheism and antitheism is permeable. Atheists can move back and forth. The reason for this depends on the definition of the God. Most Gods are self contradictory and so it is easy to take an anti-theist position against them and prove the impossibility of existence. (For Example: A god beyond time and space, is a completely inane idea that is supported by nothing.)
A FINAL TIME:
Look at the stars at night. If you tell me the number of stars are even, (God Exists) I will tell you that I do not believe you. (You have no evidence. You did not count them.) I am not asserting that the number of stars are odd. (God does not exist.) I am only making the claim that I do not believe you. The stars could in fact be even but to get me to believe that you have to provide me with information on how you came to that conclusion. Until that time, the default position is to not believe. The default position is to not believe a claim until it has been justified.
If you still have difficulty understanding the atheist position, try printing out this reply and taking it to an adult. Preferably one with a 6th grad education or higher. It's just not that hard to understand.
Old man shouts
"No, not even close." Seriously bud? Not even close. Is that not part of the demands I have been hearing and requested to do?
If we can't agree on that and if i have missed the mark by 100 percent ...then Old man shouts we have nothing further to discuss.
Have a great day !!
@ In Spirit
You really need to read...you are responding to this first line of mine:
Nowhere in my post do I demand evidence "under strict scientific conditions", in fact I cant recall anyone demanding that of you. I can imagine members asking for "empirical proof", I can imagine members asking for a physical, witnessed, manifestation of your claims, but no one as far as I know asked for "strict scientific conditions".
That seems to have come from your own playbook.
So before lifting your petticoats and flouncing out in yet another huff/pet/tantrum. Breathe deep and consider your position.
Yes, you got it wrong, not a serious error but, once again, wrong enough to stifle a discourse. That has been your wrror since day one.
I have tried to point out to you where you have erred, do me a favour and learn from your own mistakes, and try not to repeat them. Read what we say not what you THINK we say. If in doubt ask for clarification, don't screw your eyes, go red in the face and threaten to scream until you are sick...it does not work.
Re: Old Man to In Spirit - "...don't screw your eyes, go red in the face and threaten to scream until you are sick...it does not work."
That's right, In Spirit! Old Man speaks the truth! That method does not work at all. Instead, you should do like I do when I don't get my way. Just threaten to hold your breath until you die.
"Nowhere in my post do I demand evidence "under strict scientific conditions", in fact I cant recall anyone demanding that of you. I can imagine members asking for "empirical proof", I can imagine members asking for a physical, witnessed, manifestation of your claims, but no one as far as I know asked for "strict scientific conditions"
I would have never thought how literal everything is taken here.
Your imagination serves you right but I have been asked for evidence as a scientist seeks evidence and it's been asked of me and it's been worded in a few different ways.
You know...there's been too much tit for tat and it's exhausting me so what I would much rather prefer, is....................................... and let's see if the Tin-Man agrees with me,........ I prefer um, let's see, hoomph, where or where are they, lick clack click clack, (intentional lick there) going int the basement. Gotta fix that step. Moving on....... my closet...hmm...nope....my garage...not there....oh wait the lights were off...nope still not there....I prefer oh yes I got it here it is....tits n ass over tit for tat...lol
Laughter is the best medicine
@ In Spirit: Laughter is the best medicine
SO NOW WE PLAY THE "IDIOM" GAME AND RUN AWAY. I LIKE IDIOMS
HOW ABOUT THESE: (10 of my favorites)
1. Stupid is as stupid does. (Forest Gump)
2. Ignorance is bliss.
3. As clever as a brick
4. As sharp as a baseball
5. One brain cell short of normal
6. One hair short of a chimpanzee
7. The lights are on but nobody's home.
8. Batteries not included.
9. Did you fall off the turnip truck?
10. Air head, dumb bunny or thick as a brick.
Cognostic
Lol good ones. I need more laughter than anything else at the moment. I love humor.
Here's a few politically incorrect ones
An Irishman walks out of a bar ..........Bazinga (from my Irish buddy)
An Italian orders a plate of spaghetti .......Bazinga (from an Italian buddy)
In Spirit presents evidence of Sasquatch at a UFO conference and ..... Cognistic; Okay In Spirit let me explain the difference between a Sasquatch and a UFO conference and what evidence they are actually looking for........lol................Hey this is fun. I can actually laugh at myself. I don't mind jokes like this at all. if you have any you can make up I am more than willing to laugh at them and at myself. Ya I can step out of myself and look at this from another perspective and see the ridiculousness in me at time...Hmmm I think In Spirit took his meds today....Bazinga.....lol
Yep humor is the best medicine
@ Cognostic
Or how about my favorite, "Dumber than dirt, Stupider than snot."
Or another, "As useful as a used tampon."
rmfr
11. Dumber than a bucket of hair.
"I would have never thought how literal everything is taken here."
You can't just make things up, and pretend people have said it, then wave it away when they call you on it as "being too literal", you lied they made the assertion ffs. It's like talking theoretical physics with my 4 year old grandaughter, except she has a great deal more integrity.
Fuck it, lets try an example, so In Spirit you keep claiming you have absolute proof of a deity, and nothing any atheist can say matters as you have made up your mind absolutely, and you wouldn't care if they could disprove your deity anyway.
So what's the point of debate then?
Fucked up as a football bat!
haven't heard that one in a long time!
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Here is one of my favorites.
One card short of a full deck.
One sandwich short of a picnic.
A few slices short of a loaf.
His elevator does not go all the way to the top.
His hamster is dead on the wheel.
Not running on all cylinders
Does not have both oars in the water.
One beer short of a six pack.
His cheese fell off the cracker long ago.
He fell out of the tree and hit every branch on the way down
He's depriving some village of an idiot.
His driveway doesn't quite reach the road.
The battery is not fully charged
Dumber than a bag of hammers
If he had another brain it would be lonely
Couldn't hit the floor if he fell.
"He's depriving some village of an idiot."
LOL
In Spirit: "I already know that no one here would actually carry out the experiment"
And I already challenged you to this experiment. Come to my lab, I'll carry out the million and one experiments I want to do.
You were the weenie who backed out.
rmfr
@ Are there any people here who can have a discussion without bullying?
SURE: AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT BRING UP.....
1. Pascal's wager.
2. The cosmological argument. Especially the Kalam!
3. The teleological argument.
4. The minimal facts argument.
5. Any God of the Gaps argument.
6. The argument from love or morality.
7. The transcendental Argument.
8. The argument from personal credulity.
9. The Ontological argument
10. Anything to do with presuppositionalism......
OR ANY OTHER THEIST ARGUMENT THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETELY DEBUNKED FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. .... You want to be treated like an intellect..... ACT LIKE ONE ....... Give us something we have not heard a thousand times over. You don't want to be mowed down and slam dunked with facts and logic. Stop spouting nonsense.
And if you come in here insulting and arrogant (you are going to burn in hell) just why should you expect any respect?
This is a VERY good video, I strongly suggest you watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_5yUXjXizQ
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