Hi again. I reread some of my posts from a while back, and I'm sitting there like....wow....was that me? It all seems so stupid now (the way I said things and some of the things I said), and I apologize for it. Mostly because some of it was intended to be offensive, but also because I put you through reading the stupidity (i was new to this talking to other people thing). I know that a few questions were asked and I didn't answer them, but if you direct them here I will answer them to the best of my ability. I said on another post that I was doing some specific research, but other more important things came up and I dropped it, and it was so important that I have had little time to be here.
I came back because I'm trying to figure out the atheistic claims that regard similarities between Jesus, Adonis, and Hercules. I know that it is claimed that they both (Adonis and Hercules) were born of a virgin, but I can't gather much else. If anyone knows any more similarities please tell, cause I'm stumped.
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All three are mythical beings.
Not from me.
I don't believe in any of them
/e OK, I like chimp's answer better!
Is that it?
Off hand I'd have to say yes. In my very unprofessional opinion it seems kind of an odd list of characters to compare to Jesus. I would have imagined characters like Mithra or Krishna might make a better comparison; but perhaps that is just my silly expectations.
" In my very unprofessional opinion it seems kind of an odd list of characters to compare to Jesus."
I'm in agreement with you. I found it hard to believe that these were related to Jesus. Especially Hercules.
Hawk Flint, the similarities are vast but most important is because what each myth meant to the people that devised them.
Take Hercules. At the time the Greek people were oppressed by the royals. The Royals had a monopoly on religion. They spoke for the gods and dictated every aspect of life using the excuse that the gods decreed it. Sound familiar? Hercules was a people's rejection of the established religion and the idea that mortals lives were dictated by god's (the royals). We describe it at "Hero on a Grecian Urn".
In the same way, Jesus was a rejection of established religion and the authorities of that religion.
Both myths performed miracles or supernatural heroic acts. These stories were necessary to add to the legend of both myths. Of course, there are the obvious similarities of born of a virgin (or a person impregnated by a god), the resurrection or ascendance. The most important similarity are the legends of heroic deeds and or miracles.
Both were champions of the poor and the common person.
That is the best I can answer your question in this forum.
Research the Attis cult and Yeshua ha Notzri. These seem to be the foundation of Christianity.
Right, it is the same old stories recycled over and over again. Why people place stock in a later incarnation (or any incarnation for that matter) is beyond me.
"Research the Attis cult and Yeshua ha Notzri."
Never heard of them but will look into them. Thanks.
I've heard about it many times, but I've never gone digging to verify it.
There doesn't seem to be as evident similarities as claimed by some, but there are similarities.
There's also a lot of talk about that the biblical flood story was a copyright infringement.
Joseph Campbell describes the Jesus myth as just another Heroes Journey. From wiki :
"The 17 stages may be organized in a number of ways, including division into three "acts" or sections:
I. Departure (also Separation),
II. Initiation (sometimes subdivided into IIA. Descent and IIB. Initiation) and
In the Departure part of the narrative, the hero or protagonist lives in the ordinary world and receives a call to go on an adventure. The hero is reluctant to follow the call, but is helped by a mentor figure.
The Initiation section begins with the hero then traversing the threshold to the unknown or "special world", where he faces tasks or trials, either alone or with the assistance of helpers.
The hero eventually reaches "the innermost cave" or the central crisis of his adventure, where he must undergo "the ordeal" where he overcomes the main obstacle or enemy, undergoing "apotheosis" and gaining his reward (a treasure or "elixir").
The hero must then return to the ordinary world with his reward. He may be pursued by the guardians of the special world, or he may be reluctant to return, and may be rescued or forced to return by intervention from the outside.
In the Return section, the hero again traverses the threshold between the worlds, returning to the ordinary world with the treasure or elixir he gained, which he may now use for the benefit of his fellow man. The hero himself is transformed by the adventure and gains wisdom or spiritual power over both worlds."