Atheists are ignorant AF

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The Intruder's picture
Atheists are ignorant AF

Atheists love to pretend that they're more rational because they "value the evidence".

Currently, I'm finding no side of the God debate has a monopoly on an inability to use the brains inside their heads, as I have gathered from the ignorant posts of some atheists that post here.

Here is an ignorant response I have received in another thread about the Christian God. An atheist who goes by the handle (Username edited out) claims God directly killed, as in God is the terrorist Al qaeda.

Do let me know what you all think:

"Your god butchers 25 million innocent men, women and Children in your Holy book of "do not kill." Fuck you! Your god threatens eternal death and damnation to all who disbelieve in his bullshit. Fuck you! Even the Jesus of the New Testament is exempt from his own teachings as he beats men and women in the market place and overturns their tables. As he displays his bigotry and instructs disciples that non-believers are swine. Only a piece of shit follows a piece of shit god. The Bible is not a book of morality, it is the opposite. From beginning to end it is a book of God's failures, blood sacrifices to right those failures, and an ultimate promise of damnation, even for most who believe."

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Nyarlathotep's picture
Criticizing the actions of

Criticizing the actions of your god, makes about as much sense as criticizing the actions of the villain Sauron in the Lord of the Rings books. Any criticism offered is really just criticism of the very human author(s) of the fictional story in either case.

Randomhero1982's picture
Theists condemn atheists at

Theists condemn atheists at all avenues, have infiltrated the highest levels of society in order to progress their beliefs and enshrine them in law, along with having them protected from scrutiny.

Their beliefs, the primary cause for mass genocides, global conflicts, massacres, the devaluing of humans, the subjugation of women (half the human race), a major contributor to aids in africa due to religious laws...

Never being able to prove anything they claim, having less evidence to support their systems then Santa claus...

And you come to the conclusion that atheists can be a little shitty at theists?

Well, no shit sherlock!

All of us could be jailed or murdered for our views in certain countries, so forgive me if I do think (along with the aforementioned) that I hold the moral high ground, at least just a little bit.

Cognostic's picture
@The Intruder: There is no

@The Intruder: There is no side to the god debate. What the fuck are you talking about. You have asserted that a thing called God exists. All we want to know is what evidence do you have for your version of this god thing. Where in the fuck do you see a debate?

HAVE YOU NOT READ THE BIBLE? ARE YOU UNAWARE OF THE QUARAN?
THE QUOTE CITED SOUNDS PERFECTLY ACCURATE TO ME.

""Your god butchers 25 million innocent men, women and Children in your Holy book of "do not kill." Fuck you! Your god threatens eternal death and damnation to all who disbelieve in his bullshit. Fuck you! Even the Jesus of the New Testament is exempt from his own teachings as he beats men and women in the market place and overturns their tables. As he displays his bigotry and instructs disciples that non-believers are swine. Only a piece of shit follows a piece of shit god. The Bible is not a book of morality, it is the opposite. From beginning to end it is a book of God's failures, blood sacrifices to right those failures, and an ultimate promise of damnation, even for most who believe."

Or are you asserting Thor or Zeus are the real gods?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Intruder

@ Intruder

Currently, I'm finding no side of the God debate has a monopoly on an inability to use the brains inside their heads, as I have gathered from the ignorant posts of some atheists that post here.

Maybe you should present your side of the argument....something when you made some assertions on another thread you got roundly spanked and refused, or could not come back with an answer.

So, do tell us why you think your god or gods exist, and demonstrate your claim with some evidence.

Or of course, just fuck off.

Vex Man's picture
Well I have observed 2 kinds

Well I have observed 2 kinds of atheists-
1. General atheists- they have more to do with 'no/without God' and less to do with 'criticising God/religion'.
2. New atheists- like Dawkins, Sam Harris, Hitchens, they love to criticise religion and God. They are bit agressive. Moreover, they sound like 'anti-religious' or 'anti-theist'. Some people call them as militant atheists as well. For instance, Richard Dawkins quoted, "the God of OT is vindictive, blood-thirsty, ethnic-cleanser, homophobic, misogynist, unforgiving, racist, bully etc.
I don't know whom you're talking about.

Sheldon's picture
Vex Man "New atheists- like

Vex Man "New atheists- like Dawkins, Sam Harris, Hitchens, they love to criticise religion and God. They are bit agressive."

What utter nonsense, why should religions, and what they teach and the way they behave be beyond criticism? I have read quite of books and articles by those authors and three less aggressive men are hard to imagine, they simply question the privileged position religions hold in many parts of the world, and the harm they do.

"Richard Dawkins quoted, "the God of OT is vindictive, blood-thirsty, ethnic-cleanser, homophobic, misogynist, unforgiving, racist, bully etc."

Firstly he was being facetious, and has said so many times, starting his excellent book The God Delusions with some levity, but that aside nothing in his introduction about the deity in the bible is untrue, one only has to have a cursory read of the OT. How anyone can worship such a being is far more baffling to me than how they believe it is real without a shred of objective evidence.

Cognostic's picture
@Vex Man: More confusion I

@Vex Man: More confusion I see.

1. All atheists - Do not believe in god or gods.

2. Many atheists - criticize religion. (This borders on anti-theism.)

All anti-theists are atheists but not all atheists are anti-theists.

3. New Atheists: New atheists come to us, generally, from religions. THEY ARE NOT THE LIKES OF DAWKINS, HARRIS OR HITCHENS. A new atheist is generally angry at religion. He or she "converts" to atheism. (An Impossible Act.) The new atheist is angry that they have been forced to go to church. They are rebelling against mom, dad, and religion. The new atheist has the idea in their head that Atheism is a belief system. They have come from one belief system and now they adopt another. They treat atheism like a belief.

When Christians attempt to lump the Harris, Dawkins or Hitchens into this group, it is an attempt to shift the burden of proof. It is an attempt to straw man atheism and call it a "system of belief." THIS IS NOT THE CASE. All one need do to become an atheist is stop believing in god or God. Just stop. That's it. Nothing more.

Atheism is not a support system though atheists themselves may be supportive. Atheism does not ask you to hate god or churches. It has absolutely nothing to say about either one. What the distinctive factor is in New Atheist is treating atheism like a belief system.
These atheists can be aggressive and will often assert things like "God does not exist." An extreme anti-theist point of view. But the new atheists make the assertions based on "Believing Atheism to be Ture" and do not actually understand atheism.

I may assert your god is not real, but I will do so based on the definition you give me. I will be able to point to the fallacy inherent in your assertion. I will be able to demonstrate the contradictions you have made and how your assertions are fallacious. But to blindly assert all gods are false is a silly task left to the armature atheists.

Richard Dawkins was 100% correct when he asserted "the God of OT is vindictive, blood-thirsty, ethnic-cleanser, homophobic, misogynist, unforgiving, racist, bully etc." READ YOUR BIBLE!

Any asshole god that tell soldiers to cut open the stomachs of women and toss their unborn babies onto rocks is a fucking blood-thirsty asshole. Any god that kills the first born son of every family in a kingdom because the king of that kingdom is being a dick is a fucking asshole bully. Any God that tells his soldiers to go into a village and kill every man, woman, and animal, but keep the young girls for yourself, is an ethnic cleansing fucktard. DAWKINS IS 100% CORRECT in reference to THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. This is not a "New Atheist" thing; However, a new atheist will accept it as dogma, believe it, not understand it, and repeat it without the wherewithal to back it up. Dawkins is specifically speaking of the God of the Old Testament. Remember, this asshole is not part of the trinity until the Christians come along and change him forever into a loving piece of shit that holds a gun to your head and tells you to make the right choice or burn in hell forever.

Now which God do you believe in and why?

Talyyn's picture
Still waiting for your

Still waiting for your demonstration about that "fact".

David Killens's picture
@ The Intruder

@ The Intruder

Good morning, I hope you will have a good day.

Your original post deals with two subjects, that atheists can be ignorant, and the second that your god, as dictated by your holy book and dogma, is loving and caring, and does not murder people.

I doubt that you can support either argument, and when the inevitable counters roll in, be unable to offer a viable defense. But we shall just have to wait and see. Interestingly, both arguments are tied to one source, your holy book, AKA the bible. I expect the coming atheist argument to be constructed by passages from this bible, and thus that destroys your first premise, of ignorance. It appears that most atheists have read the bible and know far more than you.

I was raised a theist, and also bought into the "god is love" fairy tale. But once I opened my eyes and realized I was an atheist, further examination of this very same bible and critical thinking has opened my eyes to other parts of the bible where this god IS a merchant of death, impulsive and homicidal.

There is a very good reason why there are over 33,000 christian denominations, all derived from one book. That is because of the human frailty of picking and choosing what makes them feel good (while ignoring the negative stuff) and this bible itself, written in such a confused manner that one can derive any answer they choose. it truly is the one of greatest multiple choice books ever.

The Intruder, I hope you respond to the coming arguments with valid responses to scriptures, and not just keep throwing your toys out of the pram and just insulting people.

Numbers 16:35
And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense.

Numbers 25:9
And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

Kings 2:23,24
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tore forty and two children of them.

I have a LOT more examples

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people

Algebe's picture
@The Intruder: atheists are

@The Intruder: atheists are ignorant AF

What's an "AF"?

Well that's ironic. I've found theists to be profoundly ignorant. The ones that knock on my door invariably know nothing about science yet dare to cite the second law of thermodynamics (at least the part of it that they've learned by rote from their controllers). They know nothing about evolution yet confidently tell me it's false.

But what really impresses me is their abysmal ignorance of their own bible.They claim to live by their book, yet most of them haven't even read the bloody thing and know nothing about its history.

Tin-Man's picture
@Algebe Re: "What's an "AF"?

@Algebe Re: "What's an "AF"?"

Well, if I had to take a guess, I would say our darling little Intruder used it to mean "Ass Fuckers". Yep, I can just see him and his little junior high bad-boy clique huddled around the computer and giggling with each other as they "snuck in" their clever and crafty "AF code" on us ignorant dumb-dumb atheists. Ahhhh... Just another typical day of 8th grade mischief. After all, boys will be boys... *chuckle*...

Algebe's picture
@Tin-Man: I would say our

@Tin-Man: I would say our darling little Intruder used it to mean "Ass Fuckers".

OIC. Well that's another class of people that the Bible orders believers to kill.
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." (Leviticus 20:13).

It's not god or the book that commits the murders. The real criminals are the psychopaths who wrote the monstrous thing, and the idiots that believe them. And that has continued right down to modern times, resulting in the deaths of Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing among many, many others.

Strangely though, the god-addled authors of the Bible seemed to have no problem with David and Jonathan, or Jesus and the naked boy in Gethsemane.

The Intruder's picture
I never said anything about

I never said anything about god or gods existing, @Old man shouts, and so far this hasn't been about the existence of gods but about the Bible, that clearly exists, and according to you geniuses, kills and instructs you to kill despite numerous people telling you the Bible does not instruct anyone to kill anyone

Nyarlathotep's picture
The Intruder - I never said

The Intruder - I never said anything about god or gods existing...

How is this not trolling?

Tin-Man's picture
@Nyar Re: To Intruder - "How

@Nyar Re: To Intruder - "How is this not trolling?"

Oh, dear. Did you miss it? Our darling little cerebral wonder has already fully admitted to his trolling in the "Faith" thread back on 01/23... *digging through notes*... Ah. Here ya go...

Intruder - "@Old man shouts I'm glad my trolling is obvious. It might make you use your brain instead of believing non sequiturs that you create inside your own head and claim is inside the head of others."

Our Boy Wonder is not only an intellectual stud, but he is also a pillar of honesty and personal integrity.

Edit to add: Um, for the record, I was unable to keep a straight face while typing that last line.

David Killens's picture
@ The Intruder

@ The Intruder

"I never said anything about god or gods existing, @Old man shouts, and so far this hasn't been about the existence of gods but about the Bible, that clearly exists, and according to you geniuses, kills and instructs you to kill despite numerous people telling you the Bible does not instruct anyone to kill anyone"

Deuteronomy 13:13-17

13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known)
14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you.
15 You must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock.
16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt

Exodus 31:12-15

12 And the Lord said to Moses
13 “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you.
14 You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy for you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.

Isaiah 13:15-18

15 Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword.
16 Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives violated.
17 See, I will stir up against them the Medes, who do not care for silver and have no delight in gold.
18 Their bows will strike down the young men; they will have no mercy on infants, nor will they look with compassion on children.

Do you want more? I have many examples.

Sheldon's picture
The Intruder "I never said

The Intruder "I never said anything about god or gods existing,"

It's in your profile so that's a rather stupid lie.

The Intruder "according to you geniuses, kills and instructs you to kill despite numerous people telling you the Bible does not instruct anyone to kill anyone"

That one is an even stupider lie, firstly the atheists here are pointing out what is in your bible, they're not claiming it actually happened you clown, else they wouldn't be atheists would they, have you even read the bible?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Intruder

@ Intruder

As you seem to have great difficulty with English, not just comprehension, but an uncontrollable propensity for mendacity, try this: Quel un Muppet.

Cognostic's picture
@The Intruder: "despite

@The Intruder: "despite numerous people telling you the Bible does not instruct anyone to kill anyone."

Luke 19:27 ESV /
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

Exodus 22:19 ESV /
“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.

Leviticus 20:13 ESV
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:27 ESV
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

2 Chronicles 15:13 ESV
But that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

John 3:18 ESV /
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

1 Samuel 15:2-3 ESV
Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

Revelation 21:8 ESV
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Exodus 21:15 ESV
“Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.

Leviticus 20:10 ESV
“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 ESV
“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

Jeremiah 48:10 ESV
“Cursed is he who does the work of the Lord with slackness, and cursed is he who keeps back his sword from bloodshed.

Matthew 10:34 ESV
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Leviticus 21:9 ESV
And the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by whoring, profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.

Leviticus 20:9 ESV
For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.

Leviticus 24:14
"Bring the one who has cursed outside the camp, and have all who heard him lay their hands on his head; then have the whole assembly stone him.

THIS LIST IS ENDLESS!

SOMEONE NEEDS TO READ THEIR BIBLE.

Matthew 5:17-18 ESV / 327 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Fievel Mousekewitz's picture
@Cognostic

@Cognostic

Many Bible passages promote hate, one of many reasons I have become an atheist.

I love your comments man. ;-)

In Spirit's picture
@Intruder

@Intruder

Some atheists (not all as you are generalizing) are ignorant; after all they are human like you and I so i don't know what your point is. I have seen atheists point out the ignorance of other atheists here on this site. Most atheist are not here to win arguments or debates at all costs. In this regard they have more self respect than the average theist I have seen here.

On the response you are referring to it can be summed up in several ways and here are a few.
1) Some theists will agree with that response and not just atheists as you claim
2) The bible is interpretive so the response is a valid interpretation as any other and can be up for debate as you can very well see.
3) Cherry picking what part of the bible to focus on is done by many, regardless if they are theist or atheist. Not knowing the source of that specific OP I cannot say if cherry picking was involved in that case.

If your attempt is to be an ambassador of your God I suggest you go back to the drawing board. Be honest with yourself first. Then come back or then again if you become honest with yourself you might just see that one conclusion is that there is no point to come back to convert atheists. They are generally good people like any other good human being regardless of what they believe or not believe in. Do you honestly believe you have never interacted with atheists in the real world and they left you with a good impression?

Ask yourself why you are on AR for starters. Right now you are on the us and them theme. It doesn't have to be that way.

David Killens's picture
@ In Spirit

@ In Spirit

Well said.

Unfortunately I am perceiving stronger and stronger tribalism, be it religion politics, even sports. It has become very polarizing and "us against them" mentality. We all share the same communities, and could easily cross paths on the street without recognizing our personal bents.

The only difference between you and I is that we have different positions. It does not have to be "one is right and you are wrong", but just tolerating different positions.

Sheldon's picture
@The Intruder

@The Intruder

How is it ignorant to point out the irrational stupidity of claiming murder is wrong, and then worshipping a deity that your own religion claims is a genocidal mass murderer? If you don't want your superstitious beliefs subjected to rational critical arguments then an atheist forum is an odd place to come.Especially since you ignore all the responses that expose the fallacious and weak nature of your religious rhetoric. So the atheists here were bound to tire of your relentless unevidenced claims, and the dishonest way you preach at us, while ignoring what we say in response.

The Intruder Here is an ignorant response I have received in another thread. Do let me know what you all think:

"The Bible is not a book of morality, it is the opposite. From beginning to end it is a book of God's failures, blood sacrifices to right those failures, and an ultimate promise of damnation, even for most who believe."

I think he's dealing in known facts about what your own bible claims, so nothing in that assertion is ignorant, you are simply being dishonest.

Simon Moon's picture
I never said anything about

I never said anything about god or gods existing, @Old man shouts, and so far this hasn't been about the existence of gods but about the Bible, that clearly exists, and according to you geniuses, kills and instructs you to kill despite numerous people telling you the Bible does not instruct anyone to kill anyone

The god character in the Bible certainly does directly instruct his 'chosen people' to kill on his behalf, and kills many on his own.

THere are direct commands by the god character to kill those: that work on the sabbath, kill witches (as if witches actually exist), those who don't listen to priests, kill homosexuals, kill fortunetellers, kill adulterers, kill followers of other religions, kill false profits, kill non believers, kill non virgin women on their wedding nights, and more.

And the above examples do not even include the slaughter of the Amalekites or Midianites, or entire towns if they believe in the 'wrong gods'.

Your interlocutor in your OP was being pretty accurate.

Now, pointing out the murder the god character in the Bible is guilty of, in no way implies that the person pointing out said murders, believes the god exists.

Calilasseia's picture
Oh this is going to be such

Oh this is going to be such fun, boys and girls ...

Atheists love to pretend that they're more rational because they "value the evidence".

There's no fucking "pretence" involved. So you can drop this duplicitous crap before you begin.

Currently, I'm finding no side of the God debate

This isn't a "debate". It's the peddling of unsupported assertions by mythology fanboys, followed by the destruction thereof by those of us who paid attention in class.

A genuine debate occurs when the participants are aiming to find a proper, robust solution to an outstanding question. Mythology fanboys manifestly aren't interested in this, they're only interested in coming here to be cannon fodder for their sad little doctrines.

has a monopoly on an inability to use the brains inside their heads

And the observational data with respect to this, tells us that the vast majority of instances of manifest stupidity arise from mythology fanboys like you. Speaking of which, your post is already collapsing into a puddle of "duh" even before we reach whatever part thereof purports to be presenting some sort of argument, instead of a continuous stream of cheap ad hominems.

as I have gathered from the ignorant posts of some atheists that post here.

And there goes another cheap ad hominem in lieu of actual substance ... pot, kettle, black much?

Here is an ignorant response I have received in another thread about the Christian God.

Let's see how this pans out shall we?

An atheist who goes by the handle (Username edited out) claims God directly killed, as in God is the terrorist Al qaeda.

Er, no, I think you'll find your reading comprehension here is woefully inadequate. Let's take a look at this purported "quote" shall we? I say "purported", because I have long experience with respect to mythology fanboys engaging in manifest and duplicitous fabrication. But let's proceed and examine this, shall we?

Your god butchers 25 million innocent men, women and Children in your Holy book of "do not kill." Fuck you! Your god threatens eternal death and damnation to all who disbelieve in his bullshit. Fuck you! Even the Jesus of the New Testament is exempt from his own teachings as he beats men and women in the market place and overturns their tables. As he displays his bigotry and instructs disciples that non-believers are swine. Only a piece of shit follows a piece of shit god. The Bible is not a book of morality, it is the opposite. From beginning to end it is a book of God's failures, blood sacrifices to right those failures, and an ultimate promise of damnation, even for most who believe.

And it's at this point, that it's time to deliver the rapier thrust.

What part of the process of reductio ad absurdum do you not understand? Namely, taking an assertion, treating said assertion as true initially by way of hypothesis only, then demonstrating, by recourse to relevant deduction and/or real world data, that said assertion leads to internal contradiction or absurdity? An exercise I've demonstrated here and elsewhere, using examples of the application of said method in the world of pure mathematics?

All that is happening here, as those of us who paid attention in class readily recognise, is that the poster in question, albeit in a less than ideal manner, is simply treating the requisite assertions from your favourite mythology to the requisite reductio ad absurdum. Your favourite mythology demonstrably contains within its pages, contradictory assertions on a grand scale, and pointing this out isn't "ignorant", it's the proper treatment of said assertions in accordance with the proper rules of discourse.

Though of course, I'm familiar in addition with the numerous attempts by mythology fanboys, to twist and pervert the rules of discourse, in order to permit their peddling of manifest fabrications, and, in several cases, outright demonstrable lies, some particularly egregious examples of which I've dealt with during a career of dealing with creationist propaganda for over a decade.

Quite simply, your favourite mythology not only asserts that an invisible magic man exists, but that said invisible magic man purportedly dispensed an edict against killing, in that famous passage in Exodus. Unfortunately, the same mythology also contains within its pages, thousands of words devoted to gleeful depictions of said entity exhorting its raving, psychotic followers to launch several bloody Lebensraum wars, including at least one instance in which said raving followers were instructed to take underage girls as sex slaves after the butchering of their parents.

Now, last time I checked the history books, leaders issuing orders resulting in various atrocities are considered to be directly responsible for those atrocities. See, for example, the voluminous documentation of the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials. On this basis alone, your imaginary magic man, if it actually exists, is culpable for those atrocities.

But there's another instance to consider here which is even more apposite, namely, the whole "global flood" fantasy. The requisite passages devoted to this lurid fairy tale, assert explicitly that your magic man brought about the wholesale destruction of life on Earth, and did so with intent. Intentional killing is, of course, the very definition of murder. But, not satisfied with wiping out millions of humans in a fit of pique, your magic man is also asserted therein to have exterminated thousands of other species wholesale, including species that played no part in any of the supposed wrongdoing committed by the humans exterminated in this tale. As a corollary, if you regard this pernicious and venomous fable as fact, you have no choice other than to regard your magic man as responsible for that carnage, and no weaselly apologetic excuses will save you from having to do so.

Don't even bother bringing any of those weaselly excuses here, because they will be ruthlessly pounded into the dust the moment you do. Pathetic apologetic fabrications to the effect that those exterminated organisms purportedly "deserved" their fate, will be treated with the scorn and derision that said fabrications deserve, not least because your mythology asserts in turn, that your magic man possessed fantastic magic powers, presumably including the power to educate and reform any purported "offenders" of various sorts. Of course, any genuine fantastically gifted magic entity would have devised a far superior solution to the problem, and this warped little pseudo-morality fable reads exactly what it is - the product of a primitive, pre-scientific and uneducated mind, doubtless embedding within that nasty little tale a hefty dose of his own wishful thinking.

You have no substantive answer to these objections, because these objections arise directly from explicit assertions contained within your favourite mythology. All you have to offer here, is a rampant case of butthurt, at having the absurdities and iniquities contained in your pet mythology exposed for the diseased and rotting edifice they constitute.

And with that, it's back to the JavaScript debugging ...

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Calli

@ Calli

Speaking of which, your post is already collapsing into a puddle of "duh" even before we reach whatever part thereof purports to be presenting some sort of argument, instead of a continuous stream of cheap ad hominems.

Both Captain Cat and I are helpless, crying with laughter at reading that. The tears in my ears and rolling down my trouser legs quite prevented me from reading the rest for quite a few minutes. CC has just recovered his dignity and, glaring accusingly at your post has stalked from the room no doubt to remind himself cats are far too deific to deign to laugh. HA! Fail CC....

Sheldon's picture
I have to ask, since I took

I have to ask, since I took the OP's use of ignorant to mean ill informed, did he actually mean rude?

If so then I'll admit there are occasions where the fragile sensibilities of the average theist over their superstitious religious beliefs, can and are insulted by atheists who find then unsupported unevidenced poppycock...and of course don't shrink from saying so, when our senses are bombarded with the usual vapid rhetoric theists offer.

If you want your apologetics to be respected I'd suggest you need to vastly up your game, and possible be more careful when selecting your target audience.

Try a pulpit, in a church, on sunday, my guess is they'll lap this nonsense up...

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
He is not interested in

He is not interested in respect, I suspect he is, with his relentless mendacious trolling and insults trying to get me to respond to him in the manner he deserves and get myself turfed from the site.

Meh. Won't happen.

Cognostic's picture
Being ignorant is not a

Being ignorant is not a problem. It is what you are ignorant about that becomes laughable. It's being closed minded to facts and evidence that makes one progress from simply being ignorant to looking like an idiot.

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