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Baba Vanga

What do you guys think of Baba Vanga's prediction about the 44th president being an African American?

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Sheldon's picture
"Baba Vanga's powers make a

"Baba Vanga's powers make a cracking story. But they're also total B.S."

"She used her abilities as a consultant to Bulgaria's royal family (not a good consultant, evidently, because that family was deposed in 1946) and later to the ruling Communist elite of Eastern Europe (who were also deposed)."

"a 2012 Washington Post investigation suggested a more likely source for all these predictions credited to her name: Russian social media and "conspiracy theory websites."

"Marnie O'Neill, who wrote the super-viral yarn for News.com.au that inspired this week's Vanga fever, told me via Twitter that the predictions in her article are sourced via the web."

"Vanga's admirers regularly insist more than 80 percent of her predictions have come true. According to Baba-Vanga.com (which only publishes information from "highly authoritative sources", FYI), that stat is drawn from 1960s research on her powers conducted by Professor Georgi Lozanov, "former director of the Bulgarian Institute of Suggestology"."

And on and on it goes https://pickle.nine.com.au/2015/12/09/11/40/baba-vanga

Sheldon's picture
I think it's easy to cherry

I think it's easy to cherry pick "predictions" that turn out and ignore the ones that are wrong, that's called selection bias.

"Obama will be the last U.S. president. Insert Donald Trump joke here, if you like. With a little dash of hindsight, many of Vanga's followers believe she predicted that the 44th U.S. president would be African-American. But she also said 44 would be the last president and that he would leave office with the country in economic ruins and conflict erupting between the northern and southern states. Now, I know it was a rough election cycle and there are some very real problems facing these United States, but clear-eyed readers will note that we're still a long way from civil war, Wall Street was quite happy with how 2016 went down and the unemployment rate is as low as it's been in years."

Nyarlathotep's picture
Spudnik - What do you guys

Spudnik - What do you guys think of Baba Vanga's prediction about the 44th president being an African American?

Is that prediction documented?

arakish's picture
Spudnik: "What do you guys

Spudnik: "What do you guys think of Baba Vanga's prediction about the 44th president being an African American?"

OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE...

Otherwise, Clean up, Aisle Three. Someone left a dump.

rmfr

Dave Matson's picture
If it's not properly

If it's not properly documented in a scientific manner then I couldn't care less.

LogicFTW's picture
Question: What do you guys

Question: What do you guys think of Baba Vanga's prediction about the 44th president being an African American?

Answer: About the same I think of for fortune tellers, palm readers, card readers, empaths, and ghost whisperers. They all have roughly the same ability to "read the future" Or have special insight.

Someone that could truly read the future with high accuracy could easily become the world's first trillionaire. Probably a bunch of people would worship said person as a god. Give me the ability to predict just 7 days into the future and I would be a trillionaire within a few months, (although I realize even now, without such an ability money would be mostly meaningless to me.)

Even a simple minded person that could only read 30 seconds into the future magically, would spend all day at their nearby casinos and scratch ticket vendors until the casino ejected them for winning too much. (Within their right most all casinos, where they can refuse to allow you to play simply because you are winning too much.)

Even the amount of information needed and then processed on which balls pop up in the powerball lottery number picking machine, just a few seconds before the machine ran its operation far exceeds all computational power and data storage available on the entire planet. Let alone predicting which numbers will pop up hours before the drawing when such information would be useful which is many many orders of magnitude higher in data and computational requirements.

Tin-Man's picture
Who in the bloody hell is

Who in the bloody hell is Baba Vanga???

arakish's picture
Baba Vanga

Baba Vanga

Isn't that what Old Man leaves behind when he has had too much wine and tries to be NASCAR driver on his trike?

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
You Know "Baba Vanga"

You Know "Baba Vanga"
1911—1996; Bulgarian: Вангелия Пандева Димитрова), also known as Baba Vanga THE BLIND PSYCHIC WOMAN.

"There is a lack of evidence that she made many of the claims attributed to her and they are so vague that they can be shoehorned to fit nearly any set of events."

"It's difficult to determine the origin of her predictions, where Vanga made them, or even if she made them at all.[1][2][3] Written records of what she said are difficult to find.[4] Since Vanga was either illiterate or semi-literate, and did not write any books herself, staff members financed by the Bulgarian government captured what she allegedly said.[4] Vanga's supposed predictions found on blogs and message boards lack citations for where the predictions came from.[1] Fake predictions credited to Vanga have appeared in tabloid media[4] and likely originated on conspiracy websites and Russian social media.[1]"

READ MORE:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog

@Cog

Oooooooh.... THAT Baba Vanga...*nodding head thoughtfully*...... Nope. Never heard of her.....*shaking head dismissively*.... I was thinking baba vanga was some type of Greek pastry treat or something.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Nyarlathotep - Is that

Nyarlathotep - Is that prediction documented?

Based on what Cognostic posted, I'm guessing the answer to my question is no.

Spudnik510's picture
Some of her predictions if

Some of her predictions if are legit do seem to be intriguing.

arakish's picture
Not really. They are just

Not really. They are just like astrology. Vague enough to be applicable to whatever seems close.

rmfr

Nyarlathotep's picture
If Ancient Aliens, Bigfoot,

If Ancient Aliens, Bigfoot, Ghosts, etc were legit, they would be incredibly intriguing.

Newsflash! They aren't legit.

Spudnik510's picture
yep but the fact that the

yep but the fact that the 44th president was african american puts some substance to it unlike the examples

Nyarlathotep's picture
Only if you can establish it

Only if you can establish it was predicted ahead of time. Your lunatic followers making up a successful prediction about an election, AFTER the election, is not impressive.

Sheldon's picture
"Some of her predictions if

"Some of her predictions if are legit do seem to be intriguing."

Well IF the Harry Potter books were true, then THAT would be intriguing.

Cognostic's picture
Why would you say something

Why would you say something so silly. I call BULLSHIT, Please cite the prediction you think is legit. It must be specific, accurate, and verifiable.

Spudnik510's picture
44th president being african

44th president being african american is not that vague

Sheldon's picture
No indeed, but there is no

No indeed, but there is no evidence she made that prediction, and that "prediction" also included claims that were not remotely vague, and which demonstrably failed. Do you know what selection bias means? How about the Sharp Shooter fallacy?

https://pickle.nine.com.au/2015/12/09/11/40/baba-vanga

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
I am assuming this prediction

I am assuming this prediction was made well ahead of time and documented well and in an unbiased fashion. :/

Spudnik510's picture
ok so did this 44th president

ok so did this 44th president prediction surface after the president was elected

Nyarlathotep's picture
This is where the burden of

Spudnik - ok so did this 44th president prediction surface after the president was elected

This is where the burden of proof falls on the believer. It would difficult to collect evidence in support of our hypothesis that the prediction was post facto. Because our hypothesis predicts there will be NO evidence prior to the time in question. However, if our hypothesis is wrong, then she did predict it ahead of time; and evidence should exist that can settle this point. We'd like to see that evidence.

Here's a good guideline for evaluating the claims of fortune tellers:

  1. Was the prediction correct?
  2. Did they actually make the prediction in question sufficiently early enough (before the event)?
  3. What is their ratio of success?
CyberLN's picture
And was the prediction stand

And was the prediction stand alone...if the person ‘predicts’ that the 49th, 50th, 51st, 52nd, 53rd, 54th, etc. president will have brown eyes, chances are one of those predictions will miraculously come true.

arakish's picture
Spudnik: ok so did this 44th

Spudnik: ok so did this 44th president prediction surface after the president was elected

I do not know. Did it?

As far as I am concerned, all supposed prophets are just bullshit dealers to keep themselves alive because they do not know how to do any other kind of work except to rip off the gullible.

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
"Another disproven prediction

"Another disproven prediction attributed to her is that the 44th US president (Barack Obama) would be the country's last commander-in-chief.[5][7][12] After Trump's inauguration in 2017 debunked this prediction, Vanga's supporters pulled a new prediction straight out of their ass which claimed that the 45th president will be a "messianic personality" who will be faced with a crisis that will "bring the country down".[14][15][16]"

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga

You do not know if she made the prediction or not. Please cite the date and time the prediction was made and who the witnesses were.

Basically the enamored believers who follow this manipulating blind person, believe all sorts of BS about her and MAKE UP STORIES.

"It's difficult to determine the origin of her predictions, where Vanga made them, or even if she made them at all.[1][2][3] Written records of what she said are difficult to find.[4] Since Vanga was either illiterate or semi-literate, and did not write any books herself, staff members financed by the Bulgarian government captured what she allegedly said.[4] Vanga's supposed predictions found on blogs and message boards lack citations for where the predictions came from.[1] Fake predictions credited to Vanga have appeared in tabloid media[4] and likely originated on conspiracy websites and Russian social media.[1]"

LogicFTW's picture
@Thread

@Thread

Cognostic's excellent post is a good example why people that believe in these "witch doctors" is terrifying. With the most popular of these modern day witch doctors being: the religious leaders of major religions.

If someone accept things as large as what happens after death and where morality comes from etc w/o a shred of real proof, that someone is open to accepting possibilities like Baba Vanga which could in turn just be a tool of a propaganda machine in use by another country with intent to destabilize a competing country.

 
 

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Spudnik510's picture
i cant find any thing that

i cant find any thing that says when the 44th black president prediction was made although some where some one stated that they have been in circulation for 10 years at least so that would mean that the prediction was made before the fact who ever made it any thoughts ?

arakish's picture
Can you provide the proof it

Can you provide the proof it has been in circulation for "at least" 10 years? Just because someone says so does not make it true.

I could say I wrote a paper while in the US Navy back in 1981 about how the "best" terrorist weapon would be flying planes into buildings. Does that mean I predicted that 9/11 was going to happen?

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
No sense in paying attention

No sense in paying attention to it unless it can be proved. No sense in paying attention to it if she also predicted the 43, and 45th presidents were going to be black. No sense in paying attention to it if she has made thousands of wrong predictions and only gets a few hits now and again.

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