Can you tell me the biggest bible inconsistencies, or any major issues, you have found so far? I've seen NonStampCollectors video Quiz Show (Bible contradictions) so I'm aware of those issues, but I was wondering if you guys knew about anything else?Thanks :)
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The bible gives contradictory accounts of the deaths of King Saul and Judas Iscariot.
There are no contradcitions in the bible. Saul killed himself and the man saying he killed saul lied. Judas died hanging himself which both accounts say. One says his bowels came gushing out. There isnt any contradictions.
@ Joshua Pryce
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
So... Which is it?
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@arakish
In Romans 3:28, Paul is talking about the OT law. In James 2:24, he is talking about works justifying a man, because faith without works is not really faith at all. Works in the NT is not the same as Law in the OT.
@ Joshua Pryce
http://bibviz.com/
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@ Joshua Pryce
http://www.jcnot4me.com/page191.html
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V.S.
This account does not say he was hung, you added that. Shame, shame; your mythology is very clear about adding to scripture:
Nyarlathotep - You present some good facts from the Bible. Here is an explanation that focuses on 2 different aspects of Judas' death:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Judas-die.html
The problem with snorting Holy Water is that if fogs ones mind.
In Genesis 1 man was created before the rest of the animals but in Genesis 2 the animals were created before adam
@Joshua Re: "There are no contradcitions in the bible."
*cough-cough-sputter-choke-gag-cough-cough-cough*..... *hoarse whispering plea*.... help.... somebody... *sputter-sputter-cough*... please.... 9-1-1.... medic.... *cough-cough-cough*.....
@ Tin Man
There there TM, just breathe,,,well whatever it is that you do....*calls for medic*...oh, wait...mechanic...will a Ford guy do? Or do you want the BMW person? I never know whether you are the 4 or 6 cylinder model....*finds choke button*...here you are lets let the flooding ease....
I know I know, TM phrases like " there are no contradictions in the bible" just shouldn't be sprung on us at our age...there better now? Have a wipe of an oily rag and see if you can stand,,,,oh, you are going to smoke it? Fine....
We will have to regulate the boards more I think, there seems to be more and more instances of people thoughtlessly tossing in comments like grenades, little realising the damage they can do to us poor, deluded atheists who have no idea of the bible and its origins...sigh, most unchristian of them.
@Old Man
...*slowly catching breath*... "heavy panting*.... *deeep breath*.... *exhale*.... Oh, wow... Damn... Pheeeeeewwww.... Okay... I think I'm alright now.... *deep breath*... *exhale*.... Wow, thanks, Old Man. Yeah, that one just caught me totally off guard. It just came out of nowhere. There really does need to be some type of warning when somebody posts something like that. That was a close one.... *wiping sweat from forehead*.... Oh, for future reference, Chevrolet or Mazda. Either type mechanic will do. I'm a bit of a mix.
"There are no contradictions in the bible. "
Exodus 20:13
Thou shalt not kill saith the lord.
1 Samuel 15:3
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
No contradictions indeed, do me a favour.
That's not a contradiction Sheldon,,,, you are just taking things out of context. You are just cherry picking. You are just lacking understanding provided by the Holy Ghost. Or........ Ah! You can't understand it because you are one of those heathen atheists. I don't come to your house and pray, don't come to my church and preach! HA! OWNED!
How do you know all this? How do you know which account is true and which one isn’t? Which begs the question- if your Bible is ‘inerrant’, then why was there a lie in it like what you described?
In 2nd Samuel, God gets David to take a census. In the retelling of the story in 1st Chronicles, Satan is the one who gets David to take a census.
This might be a useful link to those who are desire a possible explanation:
https://www.gotquestions.org/David-census.html
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@ mailman
Yes, i have heard that pile of horse hoowhee so many times. Ultimately, it is still your Sky Faerie who fucked up.
rmfr
"Ultimately, it is still your Sky Faerie who fucked up."
And not once but multiple times. This deity created a perfect world, then allowed Eve to have her famous snack. Later on a great flood was applied to wash away sin. Third time around god had his son crucified because sin was around again.
That does not classify as a poor track record, it is one of complete stupidity and massive incompetence.
@mailman Wait, so sometimes “god permits Satan to act”? I thought they were constantly having this never-ending fight against each other- the all-evil bogeyman vs. the all-powerful man who created him and just keeps him around to deflect blame. The article that you linked to does not explain the contradiction at all; it just makes a bunch of baseless assertions without backing them up, as do virtually all apologetics.
And also, I couldn’t help but notice that later in the article, it said some stuff about god ‘using Satan to discipline non-believers’- WTF?! I thought that god was the one who will allegedly discipline me for not believing in him. I thought that god was the one who made up and enforces all those arbitrary rules.
How about actually trying to make claims yourself rather than just constantly linking to external sources and then refusing to actually state your argument?
Rohan M.
"@mailman Wait, so sometimes “god permits Satan to act”? I thought they were constantly having this never-ending fight against each other- the all-evil bogeyman vs. the all-powerful man who created him and just keeps him around to deflect blame."
Actually the idea that Satan is a disciplinarian is expressed in the New Testament as part of the Christian doctrine.
As it says in 1 Corinthians 5:5 (CEB) = "At that time we need to hand this man over to Satan to destroy his human weakness so that his spirit might be saved on the day of the Lord."
Acts describes Jesus as the first person who has ever risen from the dead; despite the fact that several people (according to the bible) had already been raised from the dead before the death of Jesus (including people raised by Jesus himself!).
What I love about Lazarus's resurrection myth, is he has been raised from the dead after being dead long enough to stink, yet didn't have a single word to relate anyone thought worth remembering?
Next time Sputnik is posting one of tedious argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacies about near death experiences he might cogitate on that. Though he won't of course as like all superstitious people they use a shocking selection bias to filter out unwelcome or unwanted facts.
Jesus lineage by the way, related to try and pretend his existence fulfilled earlier Jewish prophesy, is in two separate books of the bible, and apart from being almost entirely different they both start with Joseph who wasn't according to the bible a blood relative.
Sheldon - If there was evidence for Lazarus being raised from the dead in the form of historical documentation, would that make one consider it could have happened?
Also, here is a link to help understand the apparent contradiction regarding Jesus' lineage: https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-genealogy.html (I have to admit that this had me stumped too until I found this information.)
"Sheldon - If there was evidence for Lazarus being raised from the dead in the form of historical documentation, would that make one consider it could have happened?"
Do you have any objective evidence?
"Also, here is a link to help understand the apparent contradiction regarding Jesus' lineage: "
You denied there were contradictions, I gave you one,now you try and link someone's subjective opinion on why there is a contradiction? Have you even read the link? It's risible nonsense, and again starts with Joseph who isn't even a blood relative according to the bible.
All of the Gospels were written anonymously. Tradition ascribes certain identities and stories to the authors of the Gospels, but they are not based on what most textual historians would regard as significant evidence. Generally speaking, there is no documented connection between the traditionally ascribed authors and the text until around the Second Century.
Your link doesn't seem to even know that much, so hardly inspiring confidence.
@ mailman
Another one I am asking how I missed it?
How come you cannot argue on your own? Why must you rely on others to do your arguing for you?
Just more proof that the Religious Absolutist indoctrination process mentally retards a person's capability of critical thinking, logical and deductive reasoning, and rational and analytical thought. At least until one has proven their self worthy of the secret higher level inner circles.
Only problem with the above article is that it is a made up faerie tale. No proof.
rmfr
@mailman Oh, except that there ISN’T any actual archeological evidence that Lazarus even EXISTED, much less ressurected, so your “what-if” has absolutely no merit whatsoever.
Match the events in the Gospels together. See what comes up. Bart Eheman has something to say about this and he is fairly entertaining. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nEBLbNfcoo
Thanks for that :) I'm watching it now and it's started off really interesting
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