Can God be both Just and Merciful at d same time?

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ROYISM 's picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon

You said: "in a jail sentence, the convict is going to be fed three times a day and given a pretty decent stay"

Well, if you knew about how some slum dwellers live in India, then you would know what I mean by decent living in jails.

Sheldon's picture
ROYISM "Well, if you knew

ROYISM "Well, if you knew about how some slum dwellers live in India, then you would know what I mean by decent living in jails."

What a pathetically dishonest wriggle, leave it to a religious apologist to shamelessly move the goal posts when their guff is dismantled. I guess you just forgot to mention initially that you were talking only about Indian slum dwellers being jailed.

Dear oh dear..you're talking complete nonsense and haven't an ounce of integrity. Then again since you have claimed raping nine year old children is perfectly moral if you marry them first, I suppose it's no surprise you think an adult being gang raped in prison represents a "decent living".

David Killens's picture
@ROYISM

@ROYISM

"Why should the victim be in a state of terror when the criminal has been convicted and the power to decide his fate is given to the victim? If he continues to feel threatened he has all the right to ask for the punishment to be carried out."

You live in some fantasy land. There are some very bad people who can reach out from beyond the bars and hurt anyone they desire. You fail to understand that the mentality of some deranged criminals is that revenge involves murdering any and all blood relatives.

Nyarlathotep's picture
ROYISM - Please understand

ROYISM - Please understand that it’s not the murderer who has any say in this. He is entirely at the mercy of the victim. If the victim chooses to forgive him...

Presumably, the victim of a murder is dead; making it tough for them to make the kind of choices you describe.

ROYISM 's picture
@Nyarl

@Nyarl

In the case of murder, the victim is the next of kin of the dead

Nyarlathotep's picture
ROYISM - In the case of

ROYISM - In the case of murder, the victim is the next of kin of the dead

Justice for the death of person A, involves decisions by person B? Yeah, that don't sound like justice, imo.

Sheldon's picture
ROYISM "In the case of murder

ROYISM "In the case of murder, the victim is the next of kin of the dead"

So when they murder the murderer that murderer's next of kin become the victims, and on and on it goes. You simply have no grasp of morality at all, you are an amoral automaton, but then if you blindly follow archaic superstitious dogma in place of cogent moral reason this is to be expected.

CyberLN's picture
I wonder who cashed in when

I wonder who cashed in when the only next of kin of the murdered is the murderer.

Sheldon's picture
CyberLN "I wonder who cashed

CyberLN "I wonder who cashed in when the only next of kin of the murdered is the murderer."

The face of ROYISM's "justice" is truly inscrutable. "God Is Not Great"

Nyarlathotep's picture
CyberLN - I wonder who cashed

CyberLN - I wonder who cashed in when the only next of kin of the murdered is the murderer.

Presumably, the murderer writes a big check to themselves; and abracadabra; you have "justice"!

Sheldon's picture
ROYISM "In the case of

ROYISM "In the case of murder, the victim is the next of kin of the dead"

Is this true for the innocent next of kin of a murderer, when they are murdered? Or are you offering more vapid facile rhetoric from your barbarically stupid archaic and immoral superstition?

Still, if you can justify the rape of a child??? What can one expect...

Sheldon's picture
@ROYISM

@ROYISM

...and when you've murdered the murderer do his or her loved ones get to murder you? Sounds bat shit crazy to base a legal system on this kind of archaic barbarity.

Algebe's picture
@DRKFUTURE: Can God be both

@DRKFUTURE: Can God be both Just and Merciful at d same time?

In the real world justice and mercy aren't really compatible. But we're talking about a fictional character. God can be merciful and just, kind and cruel, omnipotent and omniscient, or any other sets of mutually exclusive characteristics that the ancient authors could dream up.

The important question is whether people can be just and merciful. I think that will depend on how much longer people are willing to entrust their consciences to religions.

CyberLN's picture
Royism, you wrote: “If that’s

Royism, you wrote: “If that’s how you feel, you can ask for the execution of the murderer. You are entirely within you rights to choose that. But you can’t force every victim to think like you. If there is someone who thinks that by having the killer executed, there is really no benefit coming out of it for anyone. But by probably forgiving him in return for blood money, the victim’s family would be able to live a good life, and the criminal might also learn a lesson, mend his ways and probably turn into a productive citizens both for the society and the family. This could be a good solution in many cases. So why not?”

Learn a lesson? Mend his ways? Turn into a productive citizen? How many felons have you spent any appreciable amount of time with?

Cognostic's picture
@ IN THE CASE OF ROYCE: The

@ IN THE CASE OF ROYCE: The victim is logic, reason, evidence, facts, and a coherent line of thought tying it all together.

cranky47's picture
2Cents

2Cents

On the flood , as told in Genesis. Well, it never actually happened.

The people who became the Jews lacked the wit to event invent their own god; YHWH was part of the Chaldean pantheon, even had a wife, called Asherah. The Noah myth was lifted from The epic Of Gilgamesh, Sumerian mythology

For the sake of argument, to believe the Noah myth means one believes that there was a world wide flood caused by YHWH. This god was petty, vindictive cruel, petulant , jealous, a complete monster, with a very nasty temper.

As far as I know, there is no evidence of a world wide flood. To put it in context of the times, around 3000 years ago; If everything ,as far as you could see, was flooded, then YOUR world was indeed flooded. At that time, few people if an, had a clear idea of the size of the earth.

(As far as I know, the circumference of the earth was first calculated in the 3rd century bce, by Eratosthenes of Cyrene.)

Reference:

"Did God Have a Wife?: Archaeology and Folk Religion in Ancient Israel, (Eerdmans, ISBN 0-8028-2852-3, 2005),[1] is a book by Syro-Palestinian archaeologist William G. Dever, Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Archeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona. Did God Have a Wife? was intended as a popular work making available to the general public the evidence long known to archaeologists regarding ancient Israelite religion: namely that the Israelite god of antiquity (before 600 BCE), Yahweh, had a consort, that her name was Asherah, and that she was part of the Canaanite pantheon."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_God_Have_a_Wife%3F

Interesting book .Recommended

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Can god be just and merciful at the same time? Well OF COURSE he can! He's god, he can do anything. Duhhh.

The Abrahamic God, YHWH/Allah . Has been given an infinite nature with infinite qualities . That being the case, as far as I can see, his qualities cannot be discussed in any meaningful way.

There is no consensus on this question as far as I know.

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