Can someone please refute this ? Help

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abdrauf786's picture
Can someone please refute this ? Help

I saw a question in quora and this is the answer given can some one explain this ?

//Was Quran written by god ?

"Scientific Miracles" are irrelevant. The Quran wasn't sent down as a science textbook and much of the science in the Quran is delivered in metaphors, much unlike your chemistry textbook.

Tell me if this makes sense:

An illiterate Arab (who was known to be illiterate by his friends and family for over 40 years) suddenly starts reciting verses of such amazing magnitude and Arabic poetic mastery that he, in a matter of 23 years, transforms a backwards, selfish and the warring populace of Arabia into one of the greatest human civilizations that ever existed.

He had a co-author?: The Quran wasn't a book. It was SPEECH. It was revealed in response to various circumstances. Muhammad would go limp and still and start reciting the words. There was no editing process, no filter, no preparation. The words where memorized verbatim by Muhammad's followers and if there was a system of peer-review to make sure the original was not corrupted.

This speech laid the foundation for Arabic grammar for the next 1400 years.
The Koran was only formally written down and distributed much later.

He had epilepsy?: False. Muhammad showed no medical symptoms of any mental illnesses. He was considered the best of his people and called "Al-Amin" (The truthful) by his community which had known him 40 years prior to his prophet-hood.

Why did so many people fight him?: It was not because they were not convinced. One of the greatest enemies of Islam at the time, Utbah, actually affirmed to Muhammad's face that what he was reciting HAD to be the word of God. But he had a clan and his pride to uphold to. (Utbah was one of the greatest poet of the time so he knew what he was hearing)
What Muhammad was saying was considered crazy. Treating your women right? Giving to the poor? Pride is a sin? The arabs didn't really like that.

To summarize, I believe, as a Muslim that the Quran is the verbatim word of God because:

I am not convinced that an illiterate man can suddenly become Shakespeare. Even then, Shakespeare did not write his plays in one sitting. Even Romeo and Juliet went through the editing process, spelling/grammar mistakes, tweaks here and there.
The Quran was narration, speech. Yet it's grammatical accuracy and attention to detail is astounding. As a reasonable person, I cannot believe that is a coincidence.

PS: (A short example) In the 2nd chapter of the Quran (the longest), there is a verse "We made you a middle nation...." (not extremists). The chapter has 286 verse.
Guess which verse number the above is? That's right 143. THE MIDDLE.
How do you do this in speech, without having the time to edit or keep track of where you are in the narration? You can't.//

Here is the link to OP.

Thank you :)

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Nyarlathotep's picture
1) Muhammad didn't bring

1) Muhammad didn't bring Islam to it's golden age in 23 years; it happened more than 150 years after his death.

2) AGAIN, who says Muhammad was illiterate?

3) It took Muhammad more than 20 years to author the Quran, it was not a speech.

4) The idea that that the prophets words have not been corrupted is also laughable:

"The relationship of the Uthmanic text to the revelations received by Muhammad is clouded by the existence of numerous collections of v̲a̲r̲i̲a̲n̲t̲ ̲r̲e̲a̲d̲i̲n̲g̲s̲ that have survived, attributed to a number of early scholars who were widely known for their excellence in reading and reciting the Quran, and who claimed to base their readings on pre-Uthmanic traditions. The existence of these v̲a̲r̲i̲a̲n̲t̲s̲ implies that the recitation of the text was far from uniform. Most variants are minor, but some are significant and involve not just vocalisation but completely different words...Another problem is that the Uthmanic text, from what we know of it, was written in a highly defective script – essentially providing only a rough consonantal ‘skeleton’, without vowels and without diacritical marks to disinguish two or more consonants that were written with the same shape. It was only after the passage of s̲e̲v̲e̲r̲a̲l̲ ̲c̲e̲n̲t̲u̲r̲i̲e̲s̲ that fully vocalised, unequivocal texts were prepared of the d̲i̲f̲f̲e̲r̲e̲n̲t̲ ̲v̲a̲r̲i̲a̲n̲t̲ ̲v̲e̲r̲s̲i̲o̲n̲s̲."(The Cambridge Companion to the Qur'ān, page 32,,%20J%20-%20The%20Cambridge%20Compa...)"

They probably didn't tell you about that ^ in the mosque? I wonder why...

abdrauf786's picture
A lot of apologetics are

A lot of apologetics are claiming that muhammed was an illeterate man , they even put forward hadiths to back their argument

Tracy245's picture
There is no evidence he was

There is no evidence he was illiterate. Muslims just like to believe he was, they think it makes their case for the quran being the word of god stronger. And as posted above, it took him more than 20 years to make up the Quran, I really would have expected it to be a bit more convincing after 20 odd years!

Jeff Vella Leone's picture
"Was Quran written by god ?"

"Was Quran written by god ?"
Asking that question on an atheist forum is lame.
If god exists, he is not so stupid to use a book to talk to you.
Basic common sens.
To claim that god had something to do with that horrible unreliable book is like insulting your god to be incredibly stupid to rely on flawed and incompetent men to send a vital message.

Abdul seriously stop putting nonsense on the forum, just put all this insanity in one topic(like Pragmatic already told you) and do reply to the comments, else I will flag you as a spammer which most likely you are.

No, I do not buy your depression Bullshit.

I seriously am getting more convinced you are just pretending with every post you make.

Prove me wrong and start behaving/debating for a change.

Travis Paskiewicz's picture
"Was the Quran written by god

"Was the Quran written by god?"
The short answer is, no.
The long answer is no, even in the myth the words were spoken by Muhammed and recorded by his followers. Let's reiterate, spoken by one man, and written down by others. God never held a pen I guess.

"An illiterate Arab (who was known to be illiterate by his friends and family for over 40 years) suddenly starts reciting verses of such amazing magnitude and Arabic poetic mastery that he, in a matter of 23 years, transforms a backwards, selfish and the warring populace of Arabia into one of the greatest human civilizations that ever existed."

So much of this statement is matter of opinion... "one of the greatest civilizations that ever existed" is merely an opinion of extreme cultural pride. Every culture and nation thinks they're the fucking greatest thing that ever was.

Whether or not Muhammed was a great poet or not is up for debate. And like most debatable topics, is merely a matter of opinion. My favorite poet is Edgar Allen Poe. Do I have proof he's the greatest? Doesn't matter, because I'm intelligent enough to realize that, poetry like all art, is a matter of taste and opinion. Furthemore, literacy is not needed for linguistic mastery. There have been a good number of illiterate poets and musicians. Have I mentioned Bethoven wrote entire symphonies, having been born def?

Muhammed may have created his poetry by rhyming spoken syllables. If indeed he himself were truly illiterate, and if his disciples truly did write down his words "verbatim". Both assumptions we have no evidence for outside of the testomony of whoever authored the Quran. Again, another subject we have very little evidence for ouside of the claims expressed in the book he/she/they wrote.

As a final note, Muhammed didn't even create the first civilization in Arabia. The Egyptians also had a strong civilization as did the Babylonians, Persians, and Semites. As far as civilizations go, most of the Arab speaking world originated from either Persia or Babylonian societies. Really, Muhammed could more be seen more like a return to the former glory and global impact of former Arabic cultures.

solidzaku's picture
The Quran falls apart as

The Quran falls apart as quickly as anybody adds any kind of ethical standard to the writings. But let's ignore all that; religious apologetics makes its bread and butter from subverting human decency and replacing it with dogmatic obfuscation.

The Quran cannot be the Word of God due the fact that it requires the Hadiths to be understood and practiced. This alone is proof that it is man-made. An omnipotent God would be able to accurately communicate his word to anybody (or anything, I might add) without an 'FAQ' needed later.

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