Catholic condom holocaust
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@Jon the Catholic: "this institution actually funds a huge chunk of treatment facilities around the world"
That seems fair, given the role of the Catholic church in accelerating the the spread of AIDS in Africa.
The situation in Uganda is a little more complex than suggested in the article you cited. I think the initial surge of AIDS was followed by a climate of fear, intensified by savage anti-gay laws. To ascribe the dramatic fall in AIDS to abstinence policies is very simplistic.
@Jon the Catholic
First of all, I'm sorry you are living with this disease. That must be extremely difficult at times. I hope you are taking care of yourself and you have access to the best treatment.
While yes, abstinence will guarantee that HIV doesn't spread via sexual contact, let's be realistic. How many real, normal people in any society are going to abstain? Only a very small percentage. Why? Because sex is a biological need, and it is extremely difficult to override biology with willpower, simply because your belief system tells you to abstain. Can it be done? Absolutely. Is it easy and achievable for most normal people? Absolutely not. That is why condoms need to be made available for everyone. Why is this even an argument anymore?
No, condoms are not a 100% guarantee that they will prevent HIV or other diseases or pregnancy. They can break, or have defects, or be used incorrectly. But dammit, they are a hell of a lot safer than not using any protection. So for the vast majority of society who WILL engage in sexual activity, condoms MUST be made available. Period. Any group who rallies against them is directly putting people in harm's way.
Hey California Girl!
Let me just say thanks. Actually, it's not that bad. I'm currently the healthiest I've ever been... ever. Also, it shows that you're not ignorant or stupid like some other commenters who thought it appropriate to use this information to call me a hypocrite.
The only thing I'm saying is that I personally bought into this sense of security that condoms promised... And it failed me. This is why I'm saying this idea is very very very dangerous. Because personally, it has failed me... after just 2 tries. People get shocked when they find out this little piece of info and simply assume I never used a condom... which I did. So on a personal note, while all the literature I look up online say it's completely safe, to me, it's more of a 50-50.
That is all.
proof you aren't catholic
proof you don't believe your god is real
proof you don't believe the bible is its word
proof you are a hypocrite
if you were catholic, believed in your god, believed the bible was his words then you'd obey
instead you ignored it all & went out for a fuck
your god punished you then according to your wicked sin & you should be thankful because suffering brings you closer to him according to mother teressa
truth hurts honey, suck it up!
your anecdotal 1 in 2 uses I got hiv is the stupidest shit ive read & ive read a lot of theist bullshit
explain how ive used over 1000 yet never had even an std?
you sound like a typical non travelled Filipino with an iq of corned beef
chorlton, please go read the PM I just sent to you.
"I personally bought into this sense of security that condoms promised... And it failed me. "
Does the use of a condom increase or decrease the chances of transfer of an std during sex?
Remember, wanking is also a sin.
"Remember, wanking is also a sin."
Raping children on the other hand they seem fine with.
No no no, That's different. Well, it just is OKAY.
Where does the Church teach this please?
read you babble
or simply google "bible verse masturbation"
why must atheists know everything about your cult to criticise it but you little to follow it?
why must you be taught right from wrong, have you no empathy ?
Something went wrong with the replying on this thread. I was replying to the teaching that raping kids is okay.
Well, If you don't get caught the church will always help you cover it up.
Well, If you don't get caught the church will always help you cover it up.
If the RCC think it is wrong why have they spent decades protecting paedophile priests from justice, and moving them around to avoid prosecution enabling them to rape children with impunity? Why did they buy the silence of victims to protect the image of the church rather than peruse justice for them if they think it is wrong? Why has the Vatican refused to cooperate fully and candidly with serious investigations into allegations of child rape, sequestering relevant documents and refusing to release them?
While you're here perhaps you can tell if you think STD's like the HIV+ virus is more or less likely to be transmitted through the protective latex of a condom? I have asked more than once.
Jon the Catholic: "Where does the Church teach this please?"
Google the "sin of Onan." It's in Genesis 38. Onan "spilled his seed on the ground", which rabbis and priests have interpreted as masturbation. God killed him for it.
The name of Onan lives on today in the Japanese word for masturbation, which is "onani."
@Biggus Dickus: wanking is also a sin.
It's a victimless crime, but god may punish you with a repetitive strain injury.
I dunno, that's what the pope said.
Is it a victimless "crime"? I would dare to say that masturbation does have a victim. As the act itself separates the unitive aspect of sex (between two people), it does have a negative effect on your own view of society and people. Excessive masturbation may lead one to a road where they only see other people as sexual objects.
I'd say that the victim is person doing the act.
you can say anything
doesn't make it fact
you've said a lot like that
we all know you said you cant get hiv if you don't have sex
I posted a link proving multiple ways you actually can
if you cared for facts youd read it & change your behaviour to protect others
let me ask you this:
other than your need for a moral compass because you have none of your own as you stated in your own words what exactly is it your life lacks that you need to pretend to believe what the men tell you to the point you obey the men regardless what they actually do & its harm caused to millions?
@Jon the Catholic: "Is it a victimless "crime?"
Absolutely. When all the pedophile priests have been defrocked, castrated, and locked up, then we'll worry about the wankers.
" As the act itself separates the unitive aspect of sex (between two people), it does have a negative effect on your own view of society and people."
No it doesn't, and unless your coughing to a deadly sin I'd say I'm in a better position to comment "from authority" as it were.
"Excessive masturbation may lead one to a road where they only see other people as sexual objects."
Unlikely and again unless you're confessing to something you're in no position to comment, and are asserting something without evidence. We have ample evidence that child rapists objectify their victims, and that child rape has been and is endemic in the RCC for decades.
Physician heal thyself etc...
Forced celibacy is an unhealthy way to live, and has been amply demonstrated to have catastrophic results. If an omniscient diety hated masturbation then it'd be pretty moronic to make it so pleasurable. another glaring contradiction of this superstition hokum that has aged virgins giving advice on sex.
Jon, you wrote, “Excessive masturbation may lead one to a road where they only see other people as sexual objects.”
In every major war, the US military ISSUES condoms to GIs to protect them from infectious diseases. Why do you think that is (rhetorical no answer required). It's because it is effective! Not 100%, but it helps immensely. To take away an effective tool to reduce risk from an infectious disease is just fucking criminal. You wouldn't stop cancer treatments or heart surgery nowadays, but at one time it was thought to be "ungodly".
mykcob4: "the US military ISSUES condoms to GIs to protect them from infectious diseases"
Did they do that in WWI? In the British and Commonwealth forces, it took determined campaigning by people like Ettie Rout (https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/3r31/rout-ettie-annie) to convince the rear echelon fuckwits to allow the distribution of prophylactic kits and the vetting of brothels at Gallipolli, Egypt, and France. She was vilified by pious hypocrites in the army and at home for encouraging immorality.
I find it amusing and ironic that religion preaches abstinence when the mother of their god got pregnant practicing it.
because someone has made claims about how you can contract hiv that are utterly false & also claimed they have it thus pose a risk to others I am posting this link
if anyone has hiv & still doesn't know how it can be passed on they are either a liar about having it, thicker than anyone ive ever met or down right in denial but all 3 pose serious risks to those around them
Let's forget all the rhetoric about priests raping boys, and masturbation. Let's just concentrate on what condoms do.
They reduce disease by a HUGE significance. They prevent unwanted babies. Thinking that people won't have sex is just unrealistic. Think of a married couple. Let's say that they are just not ready (for whatever reason) to have and raise children yet. A condom can prevent a child that they aren't ready for.
There isn't even a religious reason to be against contraception. The only reason that the church has been against contraception is that a long time ago it was important to create as many people as possible. That is no longer the case. In fact, quite the opposite is true, but the church NEVER changed.