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I could not give a fuk what you believe about me, you don't know me muppet
you are brainwashed & anti west because you are told to be just like isis hence you are chrisTaliban
the Spanish arriving were from the west idiots
funny your money is like theirs & your religion
slave to the west started with cowards like you
you are actually just a fukin racist even how from try to dissect me from you in ph proves that
inbred, insular & at 29 but a child
enjoy the hiv
your god did it
thank it
check yourself then teach
@Chorlton: "western like Europe & spain? irony".
I'm a Spaniard who also lives in Spain, so I'm really curious. Could you expand on this, please? And btw, this bite of general culture goes for all: Spain is part of the European Continent, as well as part of the European Union, and precisely we're located in Western Europe. So there's no Europe & Spain.
@Nyar was right: Spain RCC elite thinks backwards and their leaders's public assertions about Animal Rights (that includes human rights and those of human minorities') are usually shameful, but that doesn't mean the country should be identified with this scourge (and I'm not implying you did, @Nyar).
@Chorlton lucky the Spanish got here 1st or youd be muslim They'd be even luckier if no country would have invaded and submitted them at all.
@Aposteriori: Now in the real world: people have sex and that isn't going to stop any time soon. You bet. It's as natural as any other human function. Prohibition and Abstinence @JontheCat. only makes it worse. Just take a look at Catholic politics of abstinence in priests... is not working pretty well, is it?
P.S. @Chorlton: doubt anything but your sky monster or the cock of your priest you suck Totally inappropiate and you should apologize to @JontheCat. That rude "ad hominem" was totally unnecessary to defend your point of view.
You know what? You're right. Abstinence is the best method for not getting HIV.
Now in the real world: people have sex and that isn't going to stop any time soon. You can make rules about it but they will be broken. Just as marijuana has been illegal in the USA for a long time... Do people not smoke it because there are rules? Nope. Neither rules nor penalties seem to divert the bastards. Or heroine. Very illegal. Very bad. People still do it. Why not give the junky a simple little fresh clean needle so, while they're destroying themselves in one way, that they don't also have to transfer or receive disease to or from their other junky friends? And that's not even a part of our very nature. Sex is. So, since people are going to have sex inside and outside of marriage and inside and outside of brothels and with whores and with people of the same sex and sometimes even animals Anydamnway don't you think they should maybe, at least, use a little protection? How obtuse could you possibly be?
(This is at Jon the catholic, I may have hit the wrong reply button)
I get it. I used to use this exact same line of reasoning. The problem with trying to use condoms as a solution is that it incentivizes sexual promiscuity as the promise is that there are no effects. No STDs, no baby, etc. it’s a cop out if you will.
Then what happens when contraception fails. Then you’d have more people with STDs and more unwanted pregnancies and this naturally leads to more abortions. Since sex can be had without consequences, couples need not stay together and divorce rates may go up... that’s fine for the couple. But what about the kids?
Jon, sex needs no additional incentive. Get this through your head: having sex is part of being a human. If sex was punishable by burning at the stake, people would still do it. After all, presumably you believe that the all powerful supernatural creator of the universe watches your every move and disapproves of sex; but you said fuck god and did it anyway, repeatedly. You risked your immortal soul to get your freak on. People are going to have sex; lots of dirty nasty sex, no matter the consequences.
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Anyone who believes that there are no effects/consequences for having sex are crazy as a loon. Crazier than someone who thinks a magical being created the universe and cares what they do in their bedroom: crazier than you.
Do you need incentive to have sex? Did it not occur before contraceptives existed?
*the desire to have sex is biological
*diseases can be spread by having sex
*a way to prevent the spreading of disease is a policy of not having sex
*people will inevitably break policy (number one)
*contraception is one way to help prevent the spread of disease
*not spreading disease is preferable to spreading disease
**therefore... (I'll let you tell me the conclusion that necessarily follows from the premises. )
Do you need incentive to have sex? - sex outside of marriage. And yes. If sex can be had without the fear of being a parent or STDs, it makes having sex more "accessible" to everyone. What happens when someone doesn't put on the condom the right way? Do we just tell them to get an abortion? It's a domino effect which was predicted by Humanae Vitae way back in 1968.
Did it not occur before contraceptives existed? - it does but most definitely not as grave as we see today.
@Jon the Catholic: "it makes having sex more "accessible" to everyone."
And that's a bad thing, because....popes and priests can't have any?
The answer is: therefore it is preferable to have contraception over the alternative (no contraception).
@Jon the Catholic: "The problem with trying to use condoms as a solution is that it incentivizes sexual promiscuity"
People engaged in sexual promiscuity long before condoms were invented. The act is its own incentive. If STDs and unwanted pregnancies could be avoided (which is entirely feasible), would you and your church still be worried about promiscuity? The only reason we still have these problems is hypocritical religious moralizing, which has long hindered progress in the areas of contraception, sex education, and prophylaxis.
I get it. I used to use this exact same line of reasoning. The problem with trying to use condoms as a solution is that it incentivizes sexual promiscuity as the promise is that there are no effects. No STDs, no baby, etc. it’s a cop out if you will.
Then what happens when contraception fails. Then you’d have more people with STDs and more unwanted pregnancies and this naturally leads to more abortions. Since sex can be had without consequences, couples need not stay together and divorce rates may go up... that’s fine for the couple. But what about the kids?
Lots of assumptions:
You posit that there would be a lot more people with STDs when condoms fail. Please cite non-anecdotal sources for this.
What is “a lot”?
You posit abortion is bad?
You posit that divorce rates are correlated to condom failure? Wow.
You seem to say that divorce is always bad and particularly bad for children. Can you cite sources for that position?
Lastly, did someone actually tell you that condoms never fail?
There were ~8700 cases in 2009.
Pardon me. My mistake. In 2012 it was actually more than 10k. The number I remember is actually those who were undergoing treatment. That number was less than 5000. Around 2500 I believe. Either way, the 10k number is a small fraction considering the population of the Philippines.
Actually I remember it being more or less as risque as Western media at least during the 80s and 90s. You remind me of those Americans who pine for a cartoon version of the 1950s which never existed.
That comment wasn't directed towards you. It was directed to another commenter who says they're Filipino but I'm beginning to doubt.
I understand that. But I'm telling you: you are engaging in a "historical revisionist saudade" (I just made that phrase up; I mean remembering/pining for a past that did not exist).
doubt anything but your sky monster or the cock of your priest you suck
think it makes you seem smart just by typing you doubt others?
I doubt you know what you talk about in general
you got the 5000 stat out by some margin, it was over 8500
used 2 fukin rubbers & got hiv so now you claim they have a 50/50 chance against hiv....LOL
1000+ used here little fella so why doesn't this filthy atheist have even an std?
hahahahahahahaha
muppet
"Yup! Condoms are not the answer. Abstinence is. It’s even the cheaper option."
Wow, you really are prepared to repeat this lie ad nauseam. It's still a lie though. This is the problem with religious indoctrination, people become blinkered and intransigent and unable to relinquish evil dogma even when the evidence is unfashionably telling them they're wrong. So much for the moral ascendancy of religions. Sex doesn't spread STD's, unprotected sex does, if we teach people they can avoid STD's and unwanted pregnancies by never having sex we're condemning them to a horrible slow death, that a simple sex education class and proper use of condoms and contraception could avoid. One of the best weapons in fighting the unwanted pregnancies and STD's is education, and the empowerment of women over their own reproductive cycles is a vital step, that of course the RCC has fought at every turn.
The notion that the media has anything to do with people wanting to have sex is well, odd to say the least. But I guess it is to be expected from a death cult that thinks sex is evil.
Actually, Nyar, the idea that media doesn’t affect our behavior is just false. It’s just false.
I don’t think the media SET social behavior trends. I think it’s more likely they REFLECT them.
Yeah, somehow cave men managed to "get it on" long before [insert current sexy celebrity here] was shaking their ass on [insert TV channel here].
Yes, and blaming the media is a handy way to extricate oneself from some amount of personal responsibility for one’s behavior.
It's more of a chicken and egg kind of deal. It works both ways.
Actually, Jon, the idea that media does affect our behaviour is just false. It's just false.
see that ^^^without
that is how to respond to claims made without evidence
you only speak for you but you try to speak for everyone
you don't even believe in your god enough not to fuk until married
youre a hypocrite
maybe your god wanted you to get hiv to teach you humility yet here you are hunting out atheist forums so you can type tripe & groom your pride
check yourself before you wreck yourself (even more)
(yawn)
Stupid comment from a very stupid person. I'm no longer responding to you.
you don't know me jon
you need project to feel validated
you have hiv
I don't
yet you dare to try to teach about safe sex?
you are caught talking shit about about ph
frankly you are full of utter shit, made up the 5000 stat (it was circa 8500 in 2012)
you aren't catholic nor are 3/4 of us in ph when we get away from family we don't want to upset
before you ask for a citation for that its from real life living here
you are a coward, liar & just here to spout venom for selfish pride
time to crawl back under the priests robes & suck
muppet
"Actually, Nyar, the idea that media doesn’t affect our behavior is just false. It’s just false.2
Did people have sex before there was any media? Take your time.....
Does a condom reduce or increase the chances of transfer of std's?
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