Christians can you please answer this?

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Christians can you please answer this?

If adam and eve are symbolic then where did the original sin that jesus died for come from?

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Cognostic's picture
You can't fool them with that

You can't fool them with that logic crap. God said it and that is enough for them. You weren't there so you couldn't know how god did it.

algebe's picture
The original sin came out of

The original sin came out of the need to blame and subjugate women.

Cognostic's picture
Never mind Adam was a jerk

Never mind Adam was a jerk and went through two other wives before settling on Eve. Even then he could not control her. The first wife had see through skin and Adam could not stand her. He rejected her and we have no idea what her name was or where she ended up.

His second wife was Lilith. She refused to be on the bottom during sex and saw herself as equal to Ada,m. Adam was a little bitch and complained about that. Lilith ran away and hooked up with Satan. By the time God's angels got around to tracking her down and trying to convince her to go back to Adam, she had had a bunch of kids with Satan. On top of that she began flying through the night and causing crib death as she stole the souls of children during the night.

GOD is just a fuck-up. That's why the next wife looks like a myth. God just did not want to get blamed again for the next fuck-up.... and of course it happened. And if you read the extended story of Adam and Eve, Eve fucks up twice/ Once at the tree and once in the river.

Adam's wives may have all been idiots but they were created by a male God. Think about that?

Senta Christine's picture
God is not male, not even

God is not male, not even according to Christians or Jews or Muslims. "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

Nyarlathotep's picture
Senta Christine - God is not

Senta Christine - God is not male, not even according to Christians or Jews or Muslims. "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

Heh.

LogicFTW's picture
Okay at this point you hope

Okay at this point you hope this person is just trolling us and getting a laugh, and the person is not really this dense.

Reminds me of a bulletin put out by flat earth society that read something like: (badly paraphrased) "We encourage every flat earth society member across the globe to organize for international flat earth day in a show of numbers for unity and strength."

 
 

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It's also limited to English

It's also limited to English language, which has the pronouns he/she, and we rarely call intelligent beings "it," at least I'm uncomfortable calling anyone an "it." In Spanish and Portuguese, groups are addressed in the masculine tense even if it's a crowd full of women so long as there's only one man. My point is that language can be limiting.

Tin-Man's picture
@Lindsey

@Lindsey

Well, hello there, young lady. What a pleasant surprise. Good to see you out here in other threads. Different views and opinions are always welcomed. Put on your boxing gloves and jump on in and have some fun.

arakish's picture
@ Lindsey

@ Lindsey

Welcome Lindsey (again) the only time I use "it" is for ANY god. Why? They ain't intelligent beings. They are imaginative figments. Thus, "it."

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
Senta Christine "God is not

Senta Christine "God is not male," ....God created mankind in ***his own image, in the image of God ***he created them"

Hells bells.

Cognostic's picture
Obviously someone in the

Obviously someone in the thread has never read the bible.

arakish's picture
The original sin, no matter

The original sin, no matter what any Religious Absolutist, Religious Person, or Apologist may say, actually occurred when Lucifer rose up to declare himself "god". That was the "original sin." As depicted by that plagiarized book of faerie tales called the Bible.

rmfr

Sky Pilot's picture
arakish,

arakish,

"The original sin, no matter what any Religious Absolutist, Religious Person, or Apologist may say, actually occurred when Lucifer rose up to declare himself "god". That was the "original sin.""

The "original sin" was disobedience and disloyalty to the Boss. That is what every story in the Bible is about. It is not about Lucifer playing "God".

arakish's picture
Nope. I had it correct. But

Nope. I had it correct. But disobedience and disloyalty can be added.

rmfr

vaporwave's picture
If you claim to be a

If you claim to be a Christian and don't hold to a literal reading of the text, how can you know what is literal and what is not? Almost every denomination has disagreements on what is literal and what is not. It's so untrustworthy, and yet I'm supposed to use this to guide my life and say that homosexuals can't shack up or my kids are going to go to hell unless they repent of their horrible sins. I honestly don't disrespect Christians and their views, because *I* was one for 25 years, and all of my friends and family are Christian - quite simply, I love them, but these are all of the questions and concerns I brought to myself in the past few years.

Tin-Man's picture
Howdy, AUS! Welcome to the

Howdy, AUS! Welcome to the AR. Come on in, relax, and make yourself at home. We have a fine group of lunati-.... er-uh, I mean a fine group of folks here, and we always enjoy seeing a new face in town.

Like Cog said, you might as well forget about trying to use logic and reasoning with most of the theists we see on here. Simply cruise around in the various threads for a bit and you will be truly amazed at some of the mental contortionists we regularly encounter. Heck, some of them even make Neo from the Matrix look like a corpse frozen in rigor mortis. I swear sometimes we could probably start our own Cirque du Soleil with some of the twisty-bendy mental gymnasts on here. LOL Hang around long enough and you will see.

Meanwhile, great having you here. Hope to see you around more.

AUS-LGBT's picture
Lol that actually made me

Lol that actually made me laugh XD And thank you <3 I really appreciate it

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ AUS LGBT

@ AUS LGBT

gday! Pull up a chair and have a chat. Lovely to see you. Don't mind Tin Man he thinks he's funny, but we know him better...occasionally he is hilarious....enjoy the debates!

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man

@Old Man

What? Funny?.... *concerned look*... What do you mean? I was trying to be serious. And you guys think I'm hilarious??? You've all just been LAUGHING at me this whole time???.... *shoulders slumping*... Aww... *shuffles away with head hung low*...

arakish's picture
@ Tin-Man: Don't know about

@ Tin-Man: Don't know about others, but I for one have been laughing WITH you. ***gentle tree bough on the shoulder giving consolation***

@ AUS-LGBT: If that avatar is you, then, gorgeous. And I mean that in the best complimentary way. If you ever just need to do nothing more than dump the bullshit from the Matrix of the Religious Absolutists, feel free to dump all you want. Me, personally, I grew up on a farm and horse ranch. If I can dodge those annoying pasture patties left by the horses, I can handle the rants and raves some of us just need to get out of our minds. Enjoy thyself and have some fun perusing the boards.

And don't listen to the others about my BARK being RUFF...

rmfr

AUS-LGBT's picture
Thank you so much :)

Thank you so much :)

LogicFTW's picture
@AUS-LGBT original post

@AUS-LGBT original post

A good question! One that I noticed so far, no Christian has tried to answer. Hmm I wonder why.... No I don't, I already know they do not have a good answer for this :)

Oh, and welcome to AR forums! We always like new people here to discuss religion (or lack of it) offer support to one another, or even debate with or against.. especially here on the debate forum section.

 
 

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Randomhero1982's picture
The very first creations and

The very first creations and spawned an entire race via brutal incest... Sounds legit!

The Gardan of Eden must have been in some dodgy backwater place in Texas.

"Mmmm, you sure do have purrrrdy little mouth sister!"

Tin-Man's picture
@Random Re: "The Gardan of

@Random Re: "The Gardan of Eden must have been in some dodgy backwater place in Texas."

Entirely possible. After all, do you know what a fourteen year old Southern redneck girl says as she is losing her virginity?...

"Careful, Daddy! You're crushing my Marlboros!"

arakish's picture
@ Tin-Man

@ Tin-Man

Off to time out with you young man.

rmfr

Tin-Man's picture
@Arakish Re: "Off to time

@Arakish Re: "Off to time out with you young man."

But.... but.... but.... SO not fair!... *pouting*... Okay, FINE! It's only because I'm made of metal, though, isn't it?... *nodding head*... Okay, okay. I see how things are. I'll go to time out. Sure. No problem.... "starts walking away toward corner of room*..... *looking back over shoulder*... You're gonna miss me, though. You know you will.... *gets to corner of wall and places nose in the corner*.... *talking into corner of wall*.... But when you come crawling back to me asking me to come back out, don't be surprised if I'm like, "No, no. You don't need me out there. I'm doing just fine and dandy standing here in this corner.".... *looking back over shoulder*.... Hey, can I at least use the stool to sit down this time? The last few times I stood here my back was killing me by the time I was allowed out.

xenoview's picture
@AUS-LGBT

@AUS-LGBT
Welcome to AR!
I doubt any Christan here will answer your question. They might say your taking it out of context.

arakish's picture
@ xenoview

@ xenoview

Dag Nab It! xenoview, you had to go and ruin it. You opened that door for them. Now they will play the "context" card. Sheesh

***tree walks off shaking head which also happens to sound like someone shaking pom poms***

rmfr

srpostma11's picture
AUS-LGBT - I will answer this

AUS-LGBT - I will answer this for you. I just hope it stays a debate and not ad hominem attacks.

Adam and Eve of Gen are historical people. Almost all Biblical scholars suggest the style of writing confirms this (even though they may see the account as a myth.) There isn't Biblical evidence to support that they are symbolic. In addition, many figures later in the Bible refer back to Adam and Eve as if they are actual people...not symbols. Since they were real people, and disobeyed God, it stands to reason that is how sin entered the world.

Cognostic's picture
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh! I think I peed myself...... Adam and Eve are historical people............ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...... Biblical Scholars suggest the style of writing proves they were real people........ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ................
You want to debate this ------ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ........ Did you actually say "It stands to reason?" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..... Oh someone help me.......... It hurts, it huts, I have fallen and I can't get up. I need an ambulance ... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. "I hope it stays a debate" ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ....... "Biblical Evidence!" Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Someone turn off my computer.... I can't take any more.

Please prove Adam and Eve were real. I would love to see how you are going to do this.

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