Interesting read.
https://theweek.com/articles/872709/coming-end-christian-america
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@xenoview: Progress us being made. Nice to know!
For me, the election of Donald Trump shattered the illusion that America is or ever was a Christian nation.
This is nothing new and is understandable by Christians that study the bible. It's prophecy being fulfilled.
2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 KJVS
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
There is a great probability that this will take place before the majority who claim to be Christian will decline to a minority. True Christianity is already in the minority.
What the Atheists won't like is that though they hate the idea of worshipping God, even though God gives them the choice to or not, the son of perdition will give them the choice of worshipping him or death.
With all the other prophesies coming to fruition it's likely the first part of the second coming will be upon us shortly.
@Chuck Rogers
"That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
That is just an excuse to believe anything you are told, even if it does not make sense.
"What the Atheists won't like is that though they hate the idea of worshipping God"
I have zero problem with anyone worshiping anything. And I am sure most atheists will agree with me. But I find it hard to worship an imaginary being. The biggest hurdle is that beliefs form actions, and that translates into theists allowing their children to die without proper medical attention, or even worse, translating that into politics and law, where the rights of others are trampled. For example, gay rights or the Manifest Destiny where whole scale slaughter and genocide was rationalized.
"it's likely the first part of the second coming will be upon us shortly."
When?
I see this nonsense every few months, some theist predicts the end of the world. And they never get it right.
When?
You apparently are among those who don't understand that all who call themselves Christians are not Christians. Just claiming your a Christian doesn't make you a Christian. Satan is behind all religions that are not true Christianity. True Christians don't withhold medical attention for their children, as Jehovah's witnesses do. I've never heard any true Christian doctrine claiming that it's right to not give medical attention to anyone. It's out of ignorance that those who don't know what they are talking about, to put all religions that use the name of Christ in the same category! The bible shows the works of false religion and false Christ's.
You really should study this out. It's not hard to see how different groups disagree and have such radically different positions. Christ isn't of confusion and he doesn't have conflicting doctrines. Your best way to understand which so called Christian religions are wrong is to use the King James Bible. Any of them that claim there is more than one God is not a true Christian religion. Any that claim you have to go to a priest to pray is not a true Christian religion. Any that deny the trinity or that the Holy Spirit doesn't indwel you once you submit to Christ, is not a true Christian religion.
As for gay rights, I can first of all say that I hope everyone of them see the truth and turn to Christ.
I heard a very good question and answer about the issues that Christians have with gays.
The question was "why are Christians not racist but have such a problem with gays".
The answer was "Christians understand that race is sanctified. (It was an act of God. No one has the ability to be born into a certain race. All mankind is born equal.) But Christians also hold marriage between a man and a woman to be sanctified. And it is the first thing God sanctified.
I would also like to say that gays are in a way selfish, in that they provide no benefit to the advancement of life whether you consider God to be true or nature. Because they can't produce any offspring. If everyone became gay man would go extinct.
And yes I know you could say that we can have test tube babies. But that still shows it takes a male and female to produce children.
But there are other factors that would play into extinction also, but there isn't enough time to go into all that.
As far as the second coming. The scriptures are clear that we can see the evidence, the signs of the times. But the main reason that Christ says no man can know that date or time is in part to weed out the phony Christians. You see the real Christians live their lives as if Christ can come at anytime. This is in part how others that see that Christians live a life that will cause some to want what they have.
For others if they knew when Christ will come they could live anyway they want and then get right maybe a day or so before Christ was to come. And most likely everyone would have done that because everyone has a flesh that wants to do whatever it can get away with.
So if Christ was going to give a date he would have put it in the bible.
He wants people to want Him, not just a means to get out of our rightly due punishment for breaking God's laws.
@Chuck Rogers: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ....... How many fallacies can we spot?
1. The no true Christian / Scotsman fallacy.
2. Appeal to Authority: "The Bible shows." "Christ isn't of confusion."
3. Christ isn't of confusion and he doesn't have conflicting doctrines. (An Absolute Lie demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of scripture.)
THIS LIST IS REALLY LONG -----
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A.) If I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid (John 8:14)
B.) “If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid. (John 5:31)
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A.) Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)
B.) "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)
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A.) Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. (John 14:27)
B1.) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)
B2.) I have come to bring fire on the earth, (Luke 12:49)
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A1.) Honour thy father and [thy] mother: (Matthew 19:19)
B1.) For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother (Matthew 10:35)
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A1.) "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.") Mark 7:18
B1.) And the pig, though it has a split hoof completely divided, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you. (Leviticus 11:7-8)
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A1.) Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. (Matthew 15:11)
B1.) Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. (Proverbs 20:1)
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A1.) "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)
B1.) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19
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A1.) Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell. (Matthew 5:22)
B1.) You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? (Matthew 23:17)
B2.) Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? (Matthew 23:19, KJV)
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THIS IS GETTING BORING. Jesus contradicts nearly everything he says in the New Testament.
OOPS SORRY: *EDIT* That last comment was so stupid that I got carried away responding.. Let's continue with the FALLACIES later, or someone else can continue dissecting another moronic post by a theist.
You have no understanding of the spiritual without the spirit of the Lord in you.
When I was an Atheist, I had no understanding either. But you would be very surprised to the understanding you get when you get saved. The scales are removed for you to see clearly. Only one way for you to grasp that!
One major mistake you make is not putting things in context. It's called Hermeneutics
@Chuck Rodgers: RE: "You have no understanding of the spiritual without the spirit of the Lord in you."
FINALLY SOMETHING WE AGREE ON. PERHAPS YOU ARE NOT AS IGNORANT AS YOUR POSTS SUGGEST. HERE IS THE RUB THOUGH....
Chuck honey..... You have no understanding of the spiritual even though you claim to have the spirit of the Lord in you. If you did, you would be able to explain it. Please stop being so ignorant!
Yes, I would be surprised. Please give us a working definition of spirit that can demonstrate you know exactly what you are talking about.
Um.... people do not have scales. Oh! Do you mean bathroom scales? How would removing those make you see more clearly?
I know! You are talking about your drug scales. Obviously if those are removed you can not measure your dose of heroin accurately. Kicking the heroin habit will certainly have an effect on your perception of reality. Good luck with that.
@Chuck Rogers
"True Christians don't withhold medical attention for their children, as Jehovah's witnesses do."
Wow Chuck, your ignorance is obvious.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah%27s_Witnesses_beliefs
"Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the present world order, which they perceive as being under the control of Satan, will be ended by a direct intervention of Jehovah (God), who will use Jesus Christ to fully establish his heavenly government over earth."
Or are you going to try to play the "No true Scotsman" fallacy?
@Chuck Rogers
"Just claiming your a Christian doesn't make you a Christian."
Actually, it does.
@Chuck Rogers
"I would also like to say that gays are in a way selfish, in that they provide no benefit to the advancement of life whether you consider God to be true or nature."
What about christians who have taken a vow of celibacy? What about childless couples?
And how about Alan Turing, considered the father of theoretical computer science and AI? His contribution to humanity was IMMENSE.
edit: to include Turing.
@David - One you missed! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
@Chuck Rogers: What ........ about .......... that childless....... sexless........... asshole............... JESUS. How selfish was that bastard?
By the way, there is sufficient evidence to suggest Jesus was in fact gay.
Chucky: RE: "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand."
REALLY! Again? Fuck. I get so damn tired of these end of the world prophecies.
What is the date for the end of the world this time?
You do understand that predicting the end of the world as we know it is not actually a prophecy. We all know how fragile the human race is and the many ways we could experience an extinction event. Solar Flares, pandemics, asteroids, a major earthquake, tectonic shift, global warming, and even a complete and total loss of intelligence which is currently noticeable among the theist population. (Hopefully it is not contagious.) All evidence suggests human beings are waking up. They are pulling their heads out of their asses as the good atheists drag their theologies out of the darkened candlelit pews and into the light of day. So..... there is hope for you.
The only way your extinction can happen is if there is no God. But for you and all others that deny God, means nothing of truth. You have nothing that backs your claim.
If you think that life could start in a puddle with no life or intelligence, you are very nigh eve. You should look into the depths of micro biology and the complexity in a single cell. The deeper biologists and chemists look into the depths the more complex it becomes.
Do some study without bias and let the truth show forth, and accept what it shows.
Also read what Charles Darwin stated in his book about what would destroy his theory.
It has come to fruition. But yet there will still be more that will deny and say that they don't care what the evidence shows. They simply don't want God and they will try to take as many as they can with them.
@Chuck Rogers
Oh the irony, understand that we atheists are making no claims... You do!
Show me the study you have done without bias , will you?
And if your god exists, why would I have somrthing to do with him?
@chuck
What objective evidence do you have any god exist?
@ Chucky
I may be "nigh eve" (sic) but at least I can fucking spell and noit refer to "youTube" vids as a source of peer reviewed knowledge.
Chucky Boy: Thank you for your inane retarded assertions. We will give them the attention they deserve.
Worship him or death - Sounds like Trump.
Well let me put it this way: When those who claim there is no God, and claim evolution. They basically stay with the Charles Darwin theory, in that they claim without proof or evidence that evolution is possible. And in that claim they assert that there are simple cells that could have formed in nature.
Yet they have not one piece of evidence that can be seen in nature to back up their theory.
Now on the other hand if there was evidence that could be seen, shown, observed, it wouldn't be a theory. There would be evidence.
Now make sure you read the next section all the way through before you start complaining about me telling you to go to Youtube.
If you go to Youtube you can find videos that show the complexity of the simplist cells are very complex.
Also do some research on the most powerful microscopes and what they have found.
Also look into some of the top scientists who use these microscopes.
I'm not saying that the design of the cells that are needed for life has Gods name on them,(though maybe we just don't have a powerful enough microscope yet) but it is easy to see with your own eyes on the pictures taken by those microscopes that the functions of the machines that make up these cells, had to be designed. These cells actually have motors on their tiny tails or on their legs to make them spin so they can travel. The degree of complexity is so great that there is no way that all those proteins that it takes to make those motors could have came together at the same time to work without intelligence behind it. For if just one type of protein is missing it doesn't work.
In other words if it didn't get put together at the same short period of time it takes for the cell to develop, it would have no wat to survive. As a cell is developed in it's natural way from the parent, everything is decided according to the instructions within it's DNA, (which also shows great design).
But for a cell to form without a host parent and without a mind to decide how to put proteins together in such an amazing way, is literally impossible.
So for those who deny God, they have to use only theory because they have no proof.
On the other hand there is much evidence for design which means there has to be a means for the design.
One of the scientists in the field of micro biology and chemistry and nanotechnology has a challenge out there for any scientists that believe they have a means for the design without a designer to explain it. None have come forward, and all I have heard from so is that either they will find it someday or that they just don't care if they have the evidence anymore. That just states that they simply don't want the truth.
How much is a degree of complexity?
Way more complex than the ability for common chance to put all the right amino acids together to make all the proteins to fit together to make a working motor to make a cell movable. Let alone all the other proteins for all the other parts of a single cell.
Only a person that doesn't want to know the truth would come to the conclusion that life could begin by chance once they "see" how complex life really is.
How much "more"?
How complex is it?
I would also like to add that life is so complex that if the top scientists took all the building blocks of life, they couldn't put everything together in the right order to make life within their lifetime. Yet evolutionists believe it happened by blind chance.
Now that laughable.
@ Chuck Rogers
I'm asking a very simple question:
When you talk about a degree of complexity, I'm not so sure what you are talking about. Can you please explain like it did with the terms above?
If you can't explain what a degree of complexity is, I have to assume you're just making shit up.
@Chuck Rogers
Assertions...Dumb assertions after dumb assertions. Can you link us to all these scientific works, and scientists, who tell us that evolution is a complete fraud?
Do you not know how to use the internet or YouTube.
Try it if you can't find them let me know and I'll tell you. Lol.
You may find some new ones. So let me know what you find ok
It doesn't work like that, you claim something, you have to provide evidence to back up your words. Unless you do not have any and are evading a legitimate question.
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