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Chuck Rogers's picture
I figured you would go that

I figured you would go that way lol.
Look up Michael Behe. He doesn't support God, but he admits he doesn't know what made life. What he does believe is that it is to complex to have been by chance. He wrote Darwin's black box.
Also James Tour, he is a Christian but he has evidence of the complexity. He was named scientist of the year a couple years ago. He is also one of few that can build nano cars. I believe it was stated that there are only 15 scientists that can build them.
The whole point is life is very complex and it takes intelligence to make it work.
There are more.

toto974's picture
Michael Behe? Is that the guy

Michael Behe? Is that the guy who coined the term irreducible complexity? Bref, he is using an argument from incredulity so this doesn't count.

No moving on to Mr James Tour, if I look from wikipedia:

First, he is a chemist, and while this doesn't disqualify him per se, his words on Evolution should be taken with caution. From the page we have:

Tour was named "Scientist of the Year" by R&D Magazine in 2013

. I really don't care about the opinion of a magazine.

Again from Wiki:

In 2001, Tour signed the Discovery Institute's "A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism", a controversial petition which the intelligent design movement uses to promote intelligent design by attempting to cast doubt on evolution.[37][38] To those who "are disconcerted or even angered that I signed a statement back in 2001" he responded "I have been labeled as an Intelligent Design (ID) proponent. I am not. I do not know how to use science to prove intelligent design although some others might. I am sympathetic to the arguments on the matter and I find some of them intriguing, but the scientific proof is not there, in my opinion. So I prefer to be free of that ID label."

And then:

Tour said that the explanations offered by evolution are incomplete, and he found it hard to believe that nature can produce the machinery of cells through random processes. Despite this, he said he remained open-minded about evolution. He was quoted as saying "I respect that work" and being open to the possibility that future research will complete the explanations.

What can we say on that:

1. Don't make somebody says something they did not say.

2. Don't use an appeal to authority.

3. Do not confuse abiogenesis and evolution.

4. Take fucking books, gratuitous lectures in university and scientific articles before talking about a subject like evolution.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture


Bravo. Well said. 10,000 agrees.

toto974's picture
@Old man

@Old man

Thank you! I, contrary to him, actually did the little thing as looking to what he was asserting. I don't think our friend ever did that in his life...

Cognostic's picture
@Chuck Rogers: RE:"Well let

@Chuck Rogers: RE:"Well let me put it this way: When those who claim there is no God, and claim evolution."
How do you expect anyone to read anything you say when your very first sentence is idiotic?

FIRST: You are in an atheist chat room. Atheists are people who do not believe in Gods. I have heard no one, in this thread, argue for the non-existence of a particular god. You would have to present your case for the existence of a god before anyone could assert that the god you are supporting probably does not exist. And while someone might do that, it is enough to simply demonstrate that there is no good reason to believe in God or gods. (THAT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THEIR EXISTENCE.)

SECOND: Evolution has nothing at all to do with Atheism. Are you aware of the fact that " In fact, nearly eight-in-ten white mainline Protestants (78%) say that humans and other living things have evolved over time. " MOST CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION. In the 1950 encyclical Humani generis, Pope Pius XII confirmed that there is no intrinsic conflict between Christianity and the theory of evolution. SINCE 1950 THE CATHOLICS HAVE SUPPORTED THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION.

Your posts are just STUPID. You are displaying a level of ignorance akin to that of a 6 year old.

THIRD: Charls Darwin's Theory? HOLY FUCK!!! Are you serious? Charls Darwin wrote his theory in 1831. Are you really so dense that you do not realize 180 years have passed since Darwin came up with his idea of survival of the fittest. We have 180 years of research into genes, chemistry, archaeology, paleontology, botany, zoology, and any other science you can mention, all supporting Darwins General assumption. Are you so ignorant as to not realize that the theory has been thoroughly refined and supported by all the sciences since the time of Darwin. "THERE IS LITTLE TO NOTHING DARWIN, IN DARWIN'S THEORY OF EVOLUTION." The fact that you bring it up is evidence of a complete and utter lack of understanding.

FOURTH: "And in that claim they assert that there are simple cells that could have formed in nature." ANOTHER FUCKING STUPID COMMENT. Do you understand that the ORIGINS OF LIFE, have nothing to do with the EVOLUTION OF LIFE. EVOLUTION HAPPENS AFTER LIFE IS FORMED. EVOLUTION says nothing at all about where life came from. THIS IS THE REASON SO MANY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ACCEPT THE FACT OF EVOLUTION. (IF THERE IS EVOLUTION IT IS BECAUSE GOD PLANNED IT THAT WAY.) Your utter and complete ignorance is overwhelming. How in the fuck do you put your shoes on in the morning. ABIOGENISIS (The theory of the origin of life.) is not EVOLUTION.

FIFTH: OH FOR FUCK SAKE: THE ARGUMENT FROM IRREDUCIBLE COMPLEXITY? YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS. YOU HAVE TO BE A FRIGGING TROLL. NO ONE IS THIS FRIGGING DENSE. This argument has been taken to court about 20 times now and lost, every single frigging time. There is nothing scientific in it. It is as useless as that bible bullshit you fling about.

SIXTH: You fell short of the equivocation fallacy of calling DNA a code. IT IS NOT A CODE and calling it one would only demonstrate more of your ignorance. When scientists call it a code, they are doing so by analogy and not by fact. They are explaining something very complex so simple minds like yours can grasp the key concepts. Had they known what you would do with the information and the negative affect it would have on you, I am sure they would have come up with a different analogy.

One of the scientists in the field of microbiology who heard your scientist in the field of microbiology challenge all the other scientists in the field of microbiology to come up with a means for the design without a designer died laughing at the utter and complete stupidity of the challenge. When the story was written up in the Journal of microbiology today, six more microbiologists died of laughter. It was a very funny challenge and all the survivors thought so.

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"But for a cell to form without a host parent and without a mind to decide how to put proteins together in such an amazing way, is literally impossible. "

Argument from ignorance. You have absolutely no understanding on how evolution works and the timescale involved.

Newsflash, most atheists do not claim a god does not exist, most of us withhold belief until sufficient evidence is presented.
Second newsflash. Even if evolution is proven to be false, that does not advance the argument of a god.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Chuck Rogers - I would also

Chuck Rogers - I would also like to say that gays are in a way selfish, in that they provide no benefit to the advancement of life whether you consider God to be true or nature.

You're walking on very thin ice; perhaps you should retreat from that cliff.

Tin-Man's picture
Re: Chuck Rogers from the

Re: Chuck Rogers from the 14th and a half Century.... Chuck Wagon... The Chuckster... Chuck-o-ramma... Chuck E. Cheese... How much wood would a woodchuck Chuck...

Attention in the forum! Attention, please! This is a public service announcement! All regular members are encouraged to check their feet and their sock drawers to determine who is currently missing a sock, as it appears as though one has just appeared, and it smells like it has not been washed in many days! Thank you for your cooperation, and have a nice day!

(Edited to change the century to a more appropriate time period.)

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Tin Man

@ Tin Man

Mate, I just got my washing back from the Laundry and NO SOCKS!!!! I rang the nice man who runs the place and he told me that in the last week EVERY SOCK IN THE CITY HAS DISAPPEARED!!!!!!

Apparently there is a large gang of one person using all the socks for some nefarious purpose. Batgirl is investigating. "Holy Cheddar Feet Tin Man!!"

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: Missing socks

@Old Man Re: Missing socks

Aw, shit! Right after making my announcement post, I realized I am missing one of my work socks from last week's load of laundry. Dammit! Well, at least I know where it is now, I suppose... *shrugging shoulders*...

Cognostic's picture
@Those Assholes: How dare

@Those Assholes: How dare they insult me by calling me a person. And "NEFARIOUS" Fuck those morons! When is feeding the homeless "nefarious." Look, all I did was come up with a plan to solve world hunger. And I did not take all the socks. I only took the socks for the left foot. Socks can be ground to a pulp and then added to a mixture of flour and water to make chips. The human protein left in socks from sweat and dead skin cells is enough to keep a human being alive for years. How in the hell is that nefarious. Fuck the establishment!!! See if I ever try to solve another global issue. I'm even going to return all the vacuum cleaners I have stolen and let you assholes deal with your own dirty air problem. Screw all of you!!!

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cog

@ Cog

Ok you bastard, you are the "sock master' ....but you only stole the LEFT socks? So who the hell has all the RIGHT foot socks? Is there a master sock puppeteer out there?

Oh and Cog, stealing all the vacuums was a great idea, I just bought a heap of shares in Dysons....well done you!

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog Re: "I only took the

@Cog Re: "I only took the socks for the left foot."

Well, at least I know it was not you who took my sock. The one I am missing is for my right foot. Oh, and don't give up on the dirty air problem, dude! Hell, I'm jealous I didn't think of it myself. Brilliant! By the way, a dash or two of garlic salt would really add a little zest to those chips.

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@Up-Chuck Re: "I would also

@Up-Chuck Re: "I would also like to say that gays are in a way selfish, in that they provide no benefit to the advancement of life whether you consider God to be true or nature."

Whoopsie!... Ruh-rho, Rhaggy!... *chuckling to self*... Tsk-tsk-tsk.... You naughty little boy. I assure you that your going in that direction on this site is highly ill-advised. In the interest of fair play, please allow me to inform you that most every atheist on this site has family and/or good friends who are either gay, lesbian, or transgender. There are even a few members on here who are such themselves. In other words, spouting a bunch of homophobic rhetoric on here is NOT in your best interest. And allow me to make one thing crystal clear for you. 1. Continue on that path, and you will most certainly be escorted from the building in a most unceremonious manner. And 2. Even if you do not immediately get your ass booted out, those of us here who are heterosexual will be all over you like a pack of rabid wolves before those "gays" (as you put it) even have a chance to type a full sentence in their defense. So, do as you will with that information, but keep in mind there are those of us standing by waiting in the shadows with fangs showing in snarls of warning.

Cognostic's picture
@Tin & Old man: NOPE: I am

@Tin & Old man: NOPE: I am done with this shit. Feed your own homeless and clean your own air. I am taking a cookie and going to my room. (DAMN) No more regular cookies, I guess I have to eat one of Tin's. What a dick!

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: Cog taking my

@Old Man Re: Cog taking my cookies

...*whispering*.... pssst... hey... should i tell cog about the "special ingredient" i added to those cookies, or should i wait and let him find out on his own?.... *snicker*...

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Puking???... *puzzled look*... Hmmm... That's odd. Should have been coming out the other end. Well, hell. Guess I accidentally mixed up the bottles. Whoops...

Cognostic's picture
@TIN: HA! I read your

@TIN: HA! I read your post and foiled your plot. Ipecac is a monkey's friend. It's not the first time someone has attempted to poison me. That should be obvious at this point in the game.


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