Creationists! Eat Your Broccoli!

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Cognostic's picture
@Atheisterr: Go tell your

@Atheisterr: Go tell your professor you did a good job presenting as many fallacies as you could. You are still behind Jo, and Atheist Cognostic. Keep trying.

Sheldon's picture
AtheistsErr "We are not

AtheistsErr "We are not created, but evolved is an argument of an atheist.

It has nothing at all to do with atheism, the fact of evolution is established by scientific evidence. Only delusional creationists deny it, in favour of unevidenced archaic superstitious creation myths.

"I did say what atheists find to be a contradiction, is actually misinterpretation or not actually understanding the meaning."

AtheistsErr "I did say what atheists find to be a contradiction, is actually misinterpretation or not actually understanding the meaning."

Rubbish I have offered no interpretation, just posted it verbatim. So you're lying.

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
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“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
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“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
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“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

Atheistserr "Of course, it is you who has never read the Bible."

Whatever, I'm more than happy for others to judge the validity if this latest lie of yours.You're clearly trolling anyway, as I said at the start.

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@ AtheistsErr

@ AtheistsErr

The point is, "image of God" refers to having a spirit.

Ummm...does wine count? I am not too fond of hard liquor, except maybe...mmm gin and tonic with a sprig of mint in a tall glass with ice and a generous measure of botanicals in the gin...oh yehhh. I AM CONVERTED I am with you brother we are brothers in spirit.

I never said that having a spirit must give us right or wrong discerning ability

You are bloody right mate, after a few doses of the spirit I can hardly discern my wife let alone right from wrong! Hail the Spirit (hic)

And as for the rest of your post, yeh fucking amazing people don't believe that stuff hey. I mean people tell us its true, so why shouldn't it be hey? Fucking morons not just believing it. Yo go brother. You got the right of it you introduced me to the spirit. I shall be pickled forever!

And contradictions in the bible? They are there so we know who reads it right, not the way it actually reads, right? then we can be led to the right way of reading the wrong text in the right way and context. I mean it is full of metaphor and allegory right? You can't be wrong when you read it right, right?

I am going to have another large holy spirit..amen borther. vgige em thisein hre

On another matter...have you seen the other sock? They keep turning up in odd places.

Sheldon's picture
AtheistsErr "There are no

AtheistsErr "There are no contradictions on inconsistencies in the Bible."

Fnaaarrrrrr.....good one....

“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
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“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
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“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
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“This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.” — Genesis 17:10

“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
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“Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of this mother…” — Deuteronomy 27:22

“And if a man shall take his sister, his father’s daughter, or his mother’s daughter…it is a wicked thing….” — Leviticus 20:17

[But what was god’s reaction to Abraham, who married his sister — his father’s daughter?] See Genesis 20:11-12

“And God said unto Abraham, As for Sara thy wife…I bless her, and give thee a son also of her…” — Genesis 17:15-16
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Another delusional clown, trying (and failing) to troll an atheist site.

AtheistsErr's picture
I replied to the others

I replied to the others before.
Genesis 17:10-14 does command to circumcise every male.
However, God revealed what circumcision represented later.
"But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt- then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land" (Leviticus 26:40-42). Hence, uncircumcision represented stubborn sinfulness. "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer" (Deuteronomy 10:16)
"For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision" (Romans 2:25). Hence, to God the physical act of circumcision was not nearly as important as the actual obedience that He required. Read Romans 2:26-30 for clearer understanding.

Genesis happened in the beginning while laws of incest (Deuteronomy and Leviticus) did not exist. SO Abraham was never beyond sin, hence misapplication of context.

I'm afraid that your interpretative skills are way too dull and you only do this because you do not want to believe.

Sheldon's picture
@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr

If you want anyone to respond to your latest delusional disjointed rant, you will have to give them a clue who you're claiming to be responding to.

AtheistsErr "I'm afraid that your interpretative skills are way too dull and you only do this because you do not want to believe."

Not likely, your shocking bias, and blind faith in archaic unevidenced superstition is manifest enough. It is you who seems to be projecting your dulled intellectual ability, and lack of critical thinking onto others, probably a combination of indoctrination into superstition as a child, and what is called the Dunning Kruger effect, you may want to look that up.

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@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr

"Man was created in the image of God, ie, we have a spirit(for God is Spirit). Or in other words, we are spiritual beings, having sense of right or wrong."

Then please explain why other species possess the same attributes, of right and wrong, of fair play?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg

AtheistsErr's picture
Sir, I did say I wouldn't

Sir, I did say I wouldn't reply, but I think you have completely misunderstood my statement.
Human body is composed of 3 parts : Physical body, spirit(image of God), and soul(breath of life). Having life(soul) automatically allows us to gradually(through experience) have a sense of right or wrong. Man is different from animals in that we have a spirit.
Science has yet to explain near-death experiences. They claim their spirit was separated from their body and could see their physical body from a different perspective. Bible says during death, spirit returns to God and the physical body returns to dust.
Animals do have sense of right or wrong, but we are superior to them for we are spiritual beings. I hope I'm clear about this.
Btw, I just read that you were a believer for many years and you were looking for a sign. Really? When the Pharisees asked for a sign, Jesus said no sign shall be provided except sign of Jonah. Asking for a sign... is having no faith at all. If you believe and pray, it shall be answered. Trust me, I have experienced it too many times. "Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts."(James 4:3) . Good things in life will come automatically if you believe in the Lord. But if you only believe in the Lord so that you can receive good things, then it's futile. Well, there will be hardships, but that is part of carrying one's own cross.

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@AtheistsErr Re: "Human body

@AtheistsErr Re: "Human body is composed of 3 parts : Physical body, spirit(image of God), and soul(breath of life)."

Hmph!... Speak for yourself, bub! I'm made up of four parts. They are Chassis, Motor, Drive System, and CPU. And they were all made by the lowest fucking bidder. (Government contract.)

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@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr
What evidence do you have that animals don't have a spirit?

Sheldon's picture
AtheistsErr "Human body is

AtheistsErr "Human body is composed of 3 parts : Physical body, spirit(image of God), and soul(breath of life). Having life(soul) automatically allows us to gradually(through experience) have a sense of right or wrong."

What utter drivel you talk, and nary the pretence of evidencing any of it. Faith btw is the reason people give for believing something without any justification, and there is literally nothing one could not believe using the vapid nonsense of faith.

David Killens's picture
@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr

"Btw, I just read that you were a believer for many years and you were looking for a sign."

What a fuck-up and mess of contradictions. I believed I had to open my heart, to ask for forgiveness, be sincere, and a few other items. I did that and more, I searched for forty years and talked to many people of different denominations. Yet when I did not receive anything, now you spout off a completely different set of rules and crap.

Where I come from, we call that "moving the goalposts", which is plain and simple dishonest bullshit.

xenoview's picture
@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr
What objective evidence do you have that any god is real?

Tin-Man's picture
Re: OP

Re: OP

I just want to know if they have souls. I've heard somewhere before from somebody who claimed they heard it from a reliable source who was the friend of an expert that eating something with a soul allows you to "absorb" the soul of that which you ate. And I think absorbing the soul of a brussel sprout would be cool! Hmmm.... I wonder if Burger King fish sandwiches have souls. I love those things... Mmmmm.... *drooling*...

Sheldon's picture
You should have eaten James

Tinman "I've heard somewhere before from somebody who claimed they heard it from a reliable source who was the friend of an expert that eating something with a soul allows you to "absorb" the soul of that which you ate."

You should have eaten James Brown before he died, OMFG imagine how much soul you'd have absorbed from eating him...wow, or Aretha Franklin...all the soul you could ever need.

I am told in the states you can eat "soul" food as well, would that be sprouts, or cruciferous vegetables in general then?

Perhaps this is how the first souls got into humans, praise the lord and pass the sprouts?

Tin-Man's picture
@Sheldon Re: "I am told in

@Sheldon Re: "I am told in the states you can eat "soul" food as well, would that be sprouts, or cruciferous vegetables in general then?"

Soul food! Mmmmm.... Yessiree! That can be some mighty good eatin', especially if you go to the right place. Collard greens, mustard greens, polk salad, fried chicken, blackeye peas with cornbread, hog jowls, boiled cabbage with ham hocks, cracklins, tripe, chitlins, and so on. All doused with generous quantities of hot sauce. (Okay, for the record, I am NOT a fan of chitlins... *shudder*...) Sadly, though, good ol' Southern home-cooked soul food is a dying art. I grew up eating most everything I just listed.

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I've heard somewhere before

I've heard somewhere before from somebody who claimed they heard it from a reliable source who was the friend of an expert that eating something with a soul allows you to "absorb" the soul of that which you ate.

Ah, that is why I saw one with a running shoe in his mouth!

Cognostic's picture
RE: God!

RE: And God put Adam in the Garden.

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"And God put Adam in the Garden."

Right next to patch of broccoli, and the rest is history.

cranky47's picture
One of my favourite bits in

One of my favourite bits in "Gulliver's Travels" is where Gulliver mentions an order of monks who eat only cabbages which have died from natural causes.

I think that's called reductio ad absurdum.

A little bit of extra information about the Book Of Genesis, which involves Noah: After the ark had settled on Mt Sinai, Noah realised they would need to live on the ark for some time. Problem was the smell, from the waste of all those animals. Noah sent one of his son in laws back into the ark to clean the bilges. Down he goes. Very dark because there are no windows. Son in law decides to light a lamp-----------There are two significant results from that one action:

(1) Noah's son in law discovers methane.

(2) The resulting explosion explains why Noah's ark has never been discovered.

Let's see a theist refute THAT.

PS I really like broccoli, but hate cauliflower.

Cognostic's picture
@cranky47: I've always

@cranky47: I've always wondered about the part where Noah lands the boat on the mountain that has been covered with water and is of course baron of trees. So he has to unload the ark before the big BBQ and then use it for fire wood because there just isn't any other fire wood anyplace. So he burns the frigging ark, tosses all the clean animals into the fire causing a mass extinction of species, enjoys the great smelling BBQ with god. And they all live happily until the Rapture.

Cognostic's picture
I REALLY HOPE THIS WAS A

I REALLY HOPE THIS WAS A DRIVE BY.

NewSkeptic's picture
@Cog

@Cog

"i REALLY HOPE THIS WAS A DRIVE BY."

Nope, it was me. I'm taking a class in classical logic and we were tasked with writing a few paragraphs that contain the most logical fallacies possible. The person who supplies the most gets to skip the first midterm with an automatic 4.0.

I am in the driver's seat on this one!

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@NewSkeptic Re: "Nope, it

@NewSkeptic Re: "Nope, it was me." (In reference to AtheistsErr.)

...*confused look*... Wait... How could that have possibly been YOU, when it was actually ME??? I just happen to be taking a Sock-Puppet Arts-n-Crafts class, and our assignment was to see how many members we could fool on our own respective sites. In which case, I am DEFINITELY acing this class, because I'm so damn good I actually had you thinking YOU made those posts. Hah-ha! I'm friggin' BRILLIANT!... *patting self on back*...

Tin-Man's picture
@NewSkeptic

@NewSkeptic

Oh, okay, okay... *looking embarrassed*... My conscious won't stop nagging me. I can't take credit for another person's work. It wasn't really me who made the AtheistsErr posts. It was actually my imaginary friend (Todd) who made those posts on my behalf. He was reluctant at first, but when I promised him an imaginary space shuttle ride to Mars, he was unable to resist. Please don't blame Todd. It wasn't his fault. You have to admit, though, he did a great job, right?

Edit to add: Which begs the question, "Why are YOU trying to take credit for Todd's work?"

Cognostic's picture
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA .... You sure are! What a fucktard! I have never met a human being as mindless and non-critical as yourself. You deserve the frigging A.

Cognostic's picture
Are you going to spill the

Are you going to spill the beans on your classmates who are also on the AR site trying to earn that 'A'. There are at least 2 others and possibly 3. I'm pretty sure Jo has you beat and Cognostic Skeptic is hot on his tail.

Calilasseia's picture
Oh look, another

Oh look, another supernaturalist has turned up here to embarrass himself in public ...

Weak argument against the Word of God emerging from flawed interpretation.

The mere fact that the purported "word" of your imaginary magic man needs "interpreting" to begin with, is a fucking huge red flag, pointing to the far humbler origins of the requisite mythology.

Indeed, any genuine fantasticially gifted magic entity that actually existed, would not only know how to deliver any "message" it purportedly wished to deliver to us in an unambiguous manner, instead of via obscurantist prose scribbled by pre-scientific nomads, but would also know that mythology is possibly the worst medium to use as a means of disseminating substantive knowledge.

So already, we know you're talking bollocks, even before I move on to the rest of your canards ...

Man was created in the image of God, ie, we have a spirit(for God is Spirit).

Nothing here but blind assertion, that is discardable with the same lack of effort you put into presenting it.

Or in other words, we are spiritual beings, having sense of right or wrong.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Have you actually READ your fucking mythology?

The WHOLE FUCKING POINT of the Genesis myth, is that humans were, according to its assertions, "created" WITHOUT ANY CAPACITY FOR ETHICAL THOUGHT. Which they had to acquire by eating that piece of magic fruit. The fruit they were told it was purportedly "wrong" for them to eat, but which, in accordance with the assertions of this bad fairy tale, they could not have known in advance was "wrong" for them to eat, because, once again, THEY WERE PURPORTEDLY "CREATED" WITHOUT THE CAPACITY FOR ETHICAL THOUGHT. According to your sad mythology, they only acquired this capacity AFTER eating the purportedly "forbidden" magic fruit!

Congratulations on coming here, and demonstrating that even by the usual parlous standards of the pedlars of apologetics who come here, you're at the bottom end of the Bell Curve.

There are no contradictions on inconsistencies in the Bible.

Bullshit. Your mythology is REPLETE with inconsistencies, canards, absurdities and contradictions. The only people exhibiting failure of reading comprehension, are people who think this mythology is some fantastic, special brand of "wisdom", instead of what it really is, namely, the product of the rectal passages of a bunch of piss-stained Bronze Age incels, who were too stupid to count correctly the number of legs that an insect possesses.

Contradictions arise when non-believers try to twist verses while possessing incomplete reasoning skills.

Poppycock. Please explain to us, if you're such a fucking genius, why your mythology claims your imaginary magic man purportedly presented "thou shalt not kill" as a purported "commandment" to its followers, and pretty shortly afterwards, claims your imaginary magic man then exhorted the same followers to launch a series of bloody Lebensraum wars and exterminate thousands? That's about as fucking contradictory as it's possible to be. I also note with interest, the manner in which the same magic man is claimed to have exhorted those raving followers, during at least one of those bloody Lebensraum wars, to take underage girls as sex slaves, presumably after slaughtering the parents of said unfortunate underage girls, pretty much in direct contradiction to the numerous edicts elsewhere to control one's genitalia.

You're talking out of your arse, sunshine.

Moving on ...

I can always interpret your "contradictions" to show that they aren't really contradictions, just failure of reasoning.

Not without making shit up on a grand scale you can't. Look, I've seen the apologetics emanating from your ilk for over a decade, and the requisite collapsed intellectual soufflé is hilarious to behold. I've seen your ilk try to tell me that black is white, up is down, and that the laws of physics only work whenever it's convenient for a particular piece of your mythology for them to work, and that otherwise, your imaginary magic man can tell the laws of physics to go fuck themselves whenever it's adminstratively convenient. It's pretty obvious that this is the first time you've stepped outside your little bubble of mutual congratulation and complacent self-satsifaction.

Many "atheists" try to prove contradictions by misapplying the context

And when we ask you and your ilk for the purportedly "right" context, we get almost as many different answers as there are supernaturalists. You're a joke, sunshine.

Oh, and as for your tiresome quote from the professional liar for creationist bullshit that is Berlinski, that was flushed down the toilet even before he uttered it.

The point is, "image of God" refers to having a spirit.

Blind and therefore discardable assertion. Oh, and I shafted your previous outing in this vein above.

Having a spirit simply means that we were created superior to other living beings

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Let's see you run that one past a hungry polar bear out in the wilds. We'll enjoy seeing you become its lunch if you're stupid enough to try this.

and that we possess knowledge of right and wrong.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Oh wait, YOUR MYTHOLOGY ASSERTS THAT WE ONLY ACQUIRED THIS CAPACITY, BY DOING SOMETHING YOUR IMAGINARY MAGIC MAN TOLD US NOT TO.

Are you really so fucking stupid, as to think we've not seen shit like this from your ilk before?

I think what's more ridiculous is that atheists claim time,matter and chance created the brain.

Oh dear, he's peddling THIS brand of supernaturalist shite.

Item one. The people who claim that testable natural processes are responsible for our brains, and make this claim on the back of a supertanker load of peer reviewed evidence, are scientists. This has nothing to do with "atheism", and isn't part of the remit thereof. This is because atheism, in its rigorous formulation, is nothing more than suspicion of unsupported supernaturalist assertions. That is IT. We leave claims about such topics as the origin of the universe, or the origin of life, to the disciplines for which said topics are the proper remit, such as cosmological physics or organic chemistry.

Furthermore, none of the scientists in question thinks "chance" was involved, certainly not in the farcically naive manner presented in creationist canards and bullshit such as you're peddling here. Indeed, there's an entire branch of mathematics devoted to the rigorous study of stochastic processes, a fact you manifestly never knew about before you came here peddling your drivel.

Here's a clue for you, boy. Don't come here picking a knife fight with people who deploy Atomic Annies.

Sheldon's picture
@Calilasseia

@Calilasseia

I'd say that was checkfuckingmate myself.

Though somehow I doubt this moron was ever coming back to read our responses to the fatuous drivel he posted.

AtheistsErr's picture
Your maniacal(?) laughter

Your maniacal(?) laughter will turn to mourning on that Day.
Adam's job was to take care of the garden. Adam was given a simple law to obey. "You can eat of any tree in the garden, but you cannot eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil." This shouldn't have been too hard of a command to keep after all there were many other fruit trees present there.
Question arises, why put the tree right in the middle of the garden and then tell Adam not to eat of its fruit?
The answer is fairly straight forward. God created man after his own image. One of the things that this implies is that man is given a free choice to decide whether to obey God or not. If man is to be free to make a choice, then there must be something to choose between. Without the existence of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then no choice would have existed for Adam. But notice that something else must also exist for Adam to be able to chose to follow God or to disobey Him. God had to give him a law. Without a law, no choice can exist. Right and wrong always exists, but unless we are made aware of the choice through a law, we cannot be held responsible for keeping or breaking the law. Yes, God was aware that if He gave man a choice that man was destined to chose wrongly. That is why He had a rescue plan already in place before He created the world.
In the entirety of your post, there isn't a single part where you actually can call Bible verses a contradiction. The guy named sheldon already posted many 'contradictions' from the Old Law and New Law without applying context and I even explained it to him. Why couple the Old Law with the New Law? Atheists never understand that we live under the New Law rather than the Old Law.
Atheists want objective evidence, for a supernatural being thus committing a category mistake. His invisible attributes have been visible everywhere on earth. There are various systems in the ecosystem which require the harmonious working of multiple systems to exist. For example, clotting of blood. If one chemical process goes wrong, one would bleed to death. How do you think such systems could even gradually evolve?
You are stupid to think that only objective evidence counts as proof. I live by faith but not blind faith. I have experienced God's grace. Why, if want proof, look at several videos on youtube. There are people being healed, deliverance, prophecies etc although I think you will call them a hoax for your mind will not allow any thought of existence of a God. Oh yes, this is an atheist site filled with atheists possessing weak arguments, whose brains cannot encompass the idea of a God.

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