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Re: AtheistsErr

Re: AtheistsErr

See, everybody? I told you he would post again, even though he said he wouldn't. Why are the theists here so horrible at telling the truth? Almost makes me want to lose my religion.... Oh, wait...

AtheistsErr's picture
My last reply to the topic of

My last reply to the topic of "image of God".
Good interpretation btw ;)

Cognostic's picture
@Atheisterrk: HA HA HA HA

@Atheisterrk: HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!
Similar case here. You fail to recognize and accept the truth and denies the existence of a Creator. And the soul who sins shall die. Non-believers will be condemned to hell on that day which will come like a thief which isn't a threat, but rather judgement. I do not profit if you choose to accept the word of God, rather you will.

NO CHRISTIAN THREATS HERE AT ALL!!! FUCKING HYPOCRITICAL POST.

No one has ever proved the Bible wrong unlike atheists claim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvKxJc-huEA

AtheistsErr's picture
How weak and dull is your

How weak and dull is your mind? You do not like the truth? Don't worry, non-believers never will.
I do not have time to listen to such a long video. Would be nice if you pointed out a few "wrongs" in the Bible, so I may interpret it for you?

Cognostic's picture
@AtheistsErr: Oh... the

@AtheistsErr: Oh... the video is too long for the little one. I'm so sooorrrrweee. Here you go, you have a cookie and go watch cartoons in your room. Later we will read the Jesus picture story book together.

AtheistsErr's picture
Right, and the Bible is too

Right, and the Bible is too long for the atheists. This is evident from the fact that all of you pluck verses from everywhere in the Bible without considering any chronological order or context, without ever understanding anything.

LogicFTW's picture
Oooh you are going to regret

@AtheistsErr
Oooh you are going to regret those words.

A lot of atheist here were theist for long portions of their lives and studied the bible EXTENSIVELY.

I guarantee a few atheist here know 2x 3x 10x more than you do about the bible. Besides what's the point in reading the bible, it is all online searchable and quotable, I have seen 100's of people come here and quote the bible over the years, and not even know vast portions of it, it really is nothing special to "know" the bible.

Also so many versions of the bible... it's all so insane, why is your particular bible version the "correct one?" Because you took the time to read some of it? Or is it because it's the bible other people told you to read?

Cognostic's picture
@AatheistsAss: Making

@AatheistsAss: Making another inane assertion. Let's take a pole? HEY ATHEISTS, HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE READ THE BIBLE? I have not only read the bible but the Qua'aran, Some Buddhist Texts, The The Bhagavad Gita, 2nd Edition, Taoist Literature and Hindu Literature. Of course the Bible is not so good without a Concordance. I find Strong's to be most useful.

RE: "all of you pluck verses from everywhere in the Bible without considering any chronological order or context,"

You mean we do the same things the Christians do? We just do it without all the interpretations, excuses and rationalizations. One of us actually reads the bible and one of us runs through it making excuses. Can you guess who is who?

AtheistsErr's picture
You have read the Bible, yet

You have read the Bible, yet you can't even differentiate between the Old Law and the New Law. Even you admit that you read, but do not understand. The distinction is clear. You say I make excuses, but rather I talk sense. That you do not like me proving your wrongs, doesn't make what I say to be false.
When I do post verses, I make sure they are up to context and not just random.
Look at sheldon. He posted some "contradictions" in the Bible, ie, some verses from the Old Law and New Law without knowing the true context. He went so far as to post only some part of a verse in order to "prove" his point.
Atheists are weak when trying to argue, no offence meant. Their knowledge is only of this world. This is why I said the kingdom of God is not for everyone. It isn't unfair, but is rather justice. Why should non-believers be given the same reward as those who believed? And still you say you are being threatened, while it's simply justice.
Atheists want proof of God? Really? What do I do? Look for His footprints? If God did exist, He would belong to the spiritual realm for He is a transcendental being. Atheists err when asking for proof of God, for they make a Category mistake.
Not that I haven't experienced His grace. You can believe or not, but a sister of mine was healed by a pastor. The healing was instantaneous. There are many proofs of prophets, deliverance, healing on Youtube. I won't say all are legit, but there are those that are real, because I have seen too.
Your eyes will see, but hearts will remain closed. This is because eternal life is not for everyone.

Cognostic's picture
@AtheistsErr: MORE IGNORANT

@AtheistsErr: MORE IGNORANT RAMBLINGS I SEE. NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR BIBLE OR ITS CONTRADICTIONS.

MATTHEW
17 Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

NO ONE AROUND HERE IS INTERESTED IN YOUR BULLSHIT EXCUSES, INTERPRETATIONS OR MINDLESS RAMBLINGS. ANYTHING YOU SAY AT THIS POINT WILL MERELY DEMONSTRATE A BIBLICAL CONTRADICTION AND YOUR EFFORT TO HIDE IT.

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@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr

"This is evident from the fact that all of you pluck verses from everywhere in the Bible without considering any chronological order or context"

That is how it works. The bible is approximately 1200 pages, yet over 33,000 different interpretations and sects derive from basically the same book.

If your god did not want us heathens to misrepresent god's word, maybe your god should have done a better job writing the instruction book. And this also dispels any notion this god is all-seeing, all-knowing, powerful and intelligent.

AtheistsErr before I had the full realization I was an atheist, during my theist days one possibility my mind toiled at was that there are multiverses, each created by it's own god. If that proposition does hold true, sadly our universe was created by one of the dumbest gods ever. By god standards it would be severely mentally handicapped.

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@David K. Re: "If that

@David K. Re: "If that proposition does hold true, sadly our universe was created by one of the dumbest gods ever. By god standards it would be severely mentally handicapped."

So, to put it another way, we got stuck on the short bus universe. Well, ain't that just dandy? Still, I have to admit, it certainly does explain a lot. Hey, do you suppose there is any way we could put in a transfer request to one of the better universes?

David Killens's picture
@Tin-Man

@Tin-Man

"Hey, do you suppose there is any way we could put in a transfer request to one of the better universes?"

The paperwork alone would be crushing. Form 178-A requires ten billion signatures. It takes a lot of paperwork and a rather large bureaucracy to run everything. It makes my phone company look efficient.

AtheistsErr's picture
Many interpretations, but

Many interpretations, but there is only One truth.
A poet may compose a poem with one intention in mind. But the readers may differently interpret the message while the poet meant something else.
Different sects derive because many churches are interested in numbers, rather than the truth. They interpret verses in such a way that they can please the members of the church so that they do not leave. Because, when many hear the truth, they do not like it.
Christ established only One church, but many others came out like 'weeds'. For example, catholics believe in infant baptism which directly contradicts baptism defined in Bible.
Hence, there are many sects but only One real truth.
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God"

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
And exactly which "one Truth"

And exactly which "one Truth" sect of christianity do you identify with?

LogicFTW's picture
@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr

You wrote:

This is because eternal life is not for everyone.

Hence, there are many sects but only One real truth.
"The fool says in his heart, there is no God"

Oh look, lets see, we got:

threat number 1: Don't believe in my god you will die, instead of being immortal (eternal life.)
Huge unevidenced assertion in next quote: "One real truth" but basically you are saying without any evidence "my god is the right one."
And then you finish it all up with a direct ad hominem attack: calling anyone that does not believe in your "god" idea a fool.

Do you consider yourself a good person? What about your religion?

Bonus! you also wrote:

Many interpretations, but there is only One truth.
A poet may compose a poem with one intention in mind. But the readers may differently interpret the message while the poet meant something else.

So now your great and mighty god/bible/religion is no better than your average poet at expressing ideas? Low bar you set for entire religion/god. Do you wonder why you have to set such a low bar? I wrote some poetry that got published, does that make my communication skills on par with your supposed all powerful/all knowing god?

 
 

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@AtheistsErr: RE: "Many

@AtheistsErr: RE: "Many interpretations, but there is only One truth."
NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY.

RE: "the fool says in his heart, there is no god." HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.... According to your own teachings, you get to meet Jesus in HELL.
Matthew 5:22 ~ Sermon on the Mount. ~ The actual words of JESUS from his own lips ~ ARE YOU READY FOR THIS.....

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his
brother without a cause shall be in danger of the
judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca,
shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall
say, thou FOOL, shall be in danger of hell fire."

BY HIS OWN WORDS, JESUS IS BURNING IN HELL.

David Killens's picture
@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr

"Hence, there are many sects but only One real truth."

Are you aware of the "No true Scotsman fallacy"? Which for the record, you are now practicing.

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

"No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample."

Because members of the Westboro Baptist Church make the very same claim you did

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AtheistsErr "Nowhere does God

AtheistsErr "Nowhere does God accept murder or rape. I do not know how you came up with that reasoning, because that is not seen in the Bible. "

Then you clearly haven't read it, as of all the idiotic claims you have made, that's the dumbest.

Sheldon's picture
AtheistsErr "The point is,

AtheistsErr "The point is, "image of God" refers to having a spirit."

So did the primates hominids evolved from have spirit, and did this spirit resemble the spirit of the deity you think evolved them from dinosaurs over hundreds of millions of years?

AtheistsErr "Having a spirit simply means that we were created superior to other living beings and that we possess knowledge of right and wrong."

We were not created, we evolved as did all living things, and we didn't evolve until about 200K years ago, so the idea we're superior to species that are hundreds of millions years old is risible stupidity that only religions even try to justify.

AtheistsErr " You choose not to believe, I can't change that."

Wrong, and wrong, I have no choice but to not believe as no one can demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity. You could absolutely change that, by demonstrating sufficient objective evidence. Yet like all other theists you're wasting post after post on pompous arrogant vapid rants, and irrational god of the gaps polemic.

AtheistsErr "You just call it a contradiction because you do not want to believe in it."

Fnnaaarrr

“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8

“One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5
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“… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30

“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
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“… with God all things are possible.” — Matthew 19:26

“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drove out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
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“…thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. ” — Exodus 21:23-25

“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------“The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father…” — Ezekiel 18:20

“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5

You're posts are beyond moronic vapid nonsense, I find it hard to believe you've ever read the bible, I suspect you're simply trolling. Quite a few theists seem to have only this to offer....

AtheistsErr's picture
We are not created, but

We are not created, but evolved is an argument of an atheist. I will not argue against that for nothing will go into your head.
I did say what atheists find to be a contradiction, is actually misinterpretation or not actually understanding the meaning.
Almost all atheists I have seen, have always referred to the same verses you posted and called it a contradiction. Obviously, flawed interpretations and misapplied contexts everywhere.

1)Romans 14:5 talks about a believer. A believer may fast one day while some believers may not fast at all. The thing is, we are not supposed to judge another believer by the way he esteems any day above another.
2) You do not read further back. Jacob concluded that the man he wrestled with was God because the man knew his past and damaged his hip with just a touch. Notice the parallel :-
"He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and in his strength he struggled with God. Yes, he struggled with the Angel and prevailed; he wept, and sought favor from Him. he found Him in Bethel, and there He spoke to us - that is, the LORD God of hosts. The LORD is His memorable name" (Hosea 12:3-5). Jacob struggled with God, but he struggled with an angel, who is a representative of God. He struggled with a representative of God and thus struggled against God.
3)I think you assume the "he" in "he drove out the inhabitants" refer to the Lord, but it refers to Judah instead.
4)There's a lot to explain and there is misapplying of context, but if interested, I can explain,but not right now for it's going to be long.
5) You didn't even post the entire verse.
"You shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me" (Exodus 20:5; Deuteronomy 5:9).
It says "those who hate Me", ie, God will not grow weary punishing the people, even if they continue in the same sins generation after generation.

Of course, it is you who has never read the Bible.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
Fecking "Biblical

Fecking "Biblical hermeneutics" again...fecks sake can't you guys keep it in your pants or take on the same drivel spouted by the "Qu'ranic Hermeneutics"?

Lies, more lies and drooling imbecility. The specious trick of comparing texts from wildly varying age, and, even more disparate context, never mind multiple authors, and then using them to prove or disprove your pet supposition is just dishonesty at it's very worst.

GAH!

AtheistsErr's picture
Bible is historically

Bible is historically accurate. That you dont believe in it, is not my fault.
Bible has "contradictions" due to failed reasoning of people.
Quran has contradictions because they are truly contradictions. However, i disregard Islam not because of the contradictions but because there is enough evidence that it couldnt have been the word of God.
The Bible is historically perfect and also attacks against it have always served to increase my faith in it. Why, many prophecies have occured as well. For example Matthew 24:1-35 deals with destruction of Jerusalem which did happen in 70 AD.
The Lord will have His way, no matter how much you deny it. The day of the Lord will come like a thief. Surprised, will you all be.
Trust me, I have experienced so much that has increased my faith in Him.
The Lord is not slow in His promise, but rather is patient.
The Lord gives the non-believers over to their perversions, for even though they hear, their hearts remain closed.
Blessed is he who does not see yet believes.
Christianity is not a religion, it is the revelation of God.
"Professing to be wise, they became fools"(Romans 1:22)
Try to give the Lord a chance to work in your life.

Grinseed's picture
"For example Matthew 24:1-35

"For example Matthew 24:1-35 deals with destruction of Jerusalem which did happen in 70 AD."

and the gospel of Matthew was written about 15 years later, the accepted date is 85 AD. Pathetic not prophetic.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Grinseed

@ Grinseed

I was going to reply in exactly the same way but just knew that AE would reply (as an inerrancy nutter) that Matthew was an eye witness to the events in 30/33CE and that the verse was a prophecy *rant, blah, blah* and "you cannot prove any different Nyah Nyah"

So lets wait and see what the twat comes up with......

AtheistsErr's picture
Well you answered yourself

Well you answered yourself lol. I would have replied in a similar fashion but just because you assumed it doesn't make it any wrong.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@we

@we

Yes, if you would assert that Matthew or any of the gospels were authored by eye witnesses and are entirely original you are not only historically incorrect but deluded.
IF you also believe they are actual evidence of a magical jesus figure then you have a problem with reality and should seek help as soon as possible.

Sheldon's picture
AtheistsErr "Bible is

AtheistsErr "Bible is historically accurate."

Hahahahhahhahhhahahhahahahahah, as I said, you clearly haven't read it.

Cognostic's picture
RE: "The Bible is

RE: "The Bible is historically accurate."

Wellllll... except for the Adam and Eve thing. Obviously not all human beings could have come from a single pair. That would be silly. Everyone knows that the human species could have never been below 1500 individuals without going extinct. The Adam and Eve thing was just an old story that made its way into the Bible. No one ever thought it was serious. Like the Jewish Slaves in Egypt, it was just a joke that got carried too far.

The Bible doesn't really mean there were Jewish slaves in Egypt. Egyptians did not keep Jewish slaves. This story is a metaphor for a swarm of attacking mosquito. During the life of Jesus there was a Jewish Temple in Egypt and Jews held high positions in the government. What left Egypt was a swarm of disease infested mosquito and all the so called atrocities inflicted on the Egyptians were just their efforts to get the mosquitoes out of the city.... and it worked.

So besides those stories the Bible is Ripe with history. Take the great kingdom of
David (the first homosexual king in the bible ) and Solomon. We actually found archaeological evidence of its existence. Okay, it is nowhere as big as the bible claims. Okay, it wasn't much of a city at all. In fact if king David had an army it was about 100 sheep herders who lived in tents near a couple of buildings. But historically the Bible is correct. David might have been the king of sheep herders and his city. well what he called a city anyway was real. More real than Sodom and Gomorrah anyway.

Yea, yea, I know `~ no other culture ever mentioned these allegedly large and prosperous cities, and no trace has been found in the area claimed. History has left us with a big hole in the bible. But remember, god destroyed the city. That means it could have just been erased from the face of the earth without a trace. All books and references to it destroyed. God works in mysterious ways and we are not to question why.

Asking why would be like asking why there is no evidence for Jesus contemporary to his life. Only a non-believer would ask such a question. The evidence is there and plain to see for anyone who wants to believe in resurrected beings, earthquakes. darkness covering the earth, zombies walking the streets, and all the other historical figures that were resurrected; Widow of Zarephath's Son, Shunammite Woman's Son, an Israelite Man, Widow of Nain's Son, Jairus' Daughter, Lazarus, the Saints in Jerusalem, Tabitha or Dorcas, Eutychus, Mythrus, all the Roman Emperors, Inanna, and basically anybody who was anybody (I forgot what I was talking about...... oh yea...) any body who was anybody was resurrected and that proves the historical reliability of the resurrection of Jesus. The Bible, once again is pure accurate history.

The bible is historically accurate even if, Matthew states that Jesus was born under the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4BCE and Luke claims Jesus was born during the census of Israel conducted when Quirinius was governor of Syria- a post he did not take until 6CE, 10 YEARS after Herod the Great died. Both Matthew and Luke are 100% correct. WERE YOU THERE. Marry just had a very long period of labor and Matthew began counting from the birth of Jesus while Luke does not begin his count until the baby is one year old. Still Historically Accurate.

Well Fuck! That's enough to prove the case right there. THE BIBLE IS HISTORICALLY ACCURATE. I KNOW IT BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT.

I forgot I has a shovel.

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@AtheistsErr

@AtheistsErr

"Bible is historically accurate."

Dude, I can't even get past Genesis without saying to myself "WTF"? According to Genesis, god created plants, then later created the days and night.

Knock knock, is there anyone home? Plants require light.

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