Re: OP

Hey, Old Man! I need to borrow your hands real quick!... *quadruple face palm*... *groooooan*.... And Jesus wept... *exhausted sigh*... Well, fuck me running naked through a briar patch during a blizzard while wearing ruby-red spiked heels. Our favorite pubescent theolgical tumble-turd has once again graced us with his presence. Oh, and what wondrous and joyful word has he brought to us from On High during THIS impromptu (yet eagerly awaited) visit? Let's seeee....

"This intelligent creatures have the ability to do so many things due to their intelligence..." Oh, by golly! That is SO deeply profound!... *addressing forum*... Ladies and gentlemen, I strongly suggest you grab a pen and some paper and start taking notes. We are in the presence of true greatness, and we should strive diligently to preserve his enlightened teachings as much as possible before he tires of our simple-minded mental deficiencies. Do not take for granted the precious time he allows us to share with him. For one day The Intruder will be gone, never to return. And then we - the misguided heathens - will be left lost and wandering aimlessly without his strength and wisdom to guide us and give us hope. Such a sad day that will be... *hanging head in sorrow*...

@ Intruder

So it's not God's fault for making intelligent creatures on planet earth {Deuteronomy 35:2} many have come and kept their integrity to the end before God, despite all the hardship their first parent's rebellion brought upon them.

Do you understand a suppositionalist argument?
There is not a shred of evidence that anything 'supernatural', never mind your particular god 'created' anything, including humanity.

So, to start , to justify your argument, you must clearly demonstrate the existence of your particular god, the attributes you claim for it and only then move on to evidencing the fanciful claim that it or they created us, as humanity.

Otherwise your OP, like nearly everything you write is mendacious, infantile drivel and should be dismissed. Muppet.

Oh, and please, note that evolution is an established well evidenced science as has been demonstrated almost ad nauseum on these forums.. So, when trying to evidence your obviously mistaken claim that humans are NOT products of evolution, please do go off to Oslo and collect your Nobel prize.

Now to read the other replies.

(Edit for clarity)

...what? Oh, you have the wrong room. This is Informed Discussion, Argument and Debate.

You want Unsubstantiated Preaching which you will find in room 666 in the basement, down the stairs, second on your left, past the toilets, the black door marked 'Discard Reasoning before entering'.

Thank you.

Oh this is going to be good ...

Everything God did goes PERFECTLY with logic

Oh really? We have here another mythology fanboy assertion, that already looks deeply suspicious even before we examine it. Though it's almost certainly going to be worse than merely 'deeply suspicious' once it is examined.

the only problem here is you've not met his friends whom he sent out to explain what actually happened in order to sanctify his name (purify his personality) amongst those complaining like you!

You mean "make up apologetic shit to hand-wave away valid objections"? Because that's all that we've ever seen mythology fanboys do here, and I suspect you'll be no different. Even if we assume by way of hypothesis, that the farcical cartoon imaginary magic man presented in your mythology is something other, than the product of the rectal passage of a superstitious pre-scientific goat herder with a dangerous penchant for hallucinogenic fungi, many of the blind assertions within that mythology, purporting to present "facts" about said entity, rapidly dissolve into a collapsed intellectual soufflé of the absurd the moment they're subject to proper critical analysis. I suspect we won't see that precedent broken on this occasion either.

God didn't create humans with default

Even if we assume once again, by way of hypothesis, that humans were the result of the farcical conjuring trick asserted in the requisite mythology to constitute our origins, as opposed to the result of testable natural processes diligently uncovered by properly educated scientists, there are several problems here. Not the least of which being the turgid little Gorgonzola of plot holes known as the "Fall of Man" myth, which I've covered before here and elsewhere.

We also have the little matter of your language failure above. Default what, precisely? Only last time I sat in the requisite classes, the word "default" referred to an option of some sort that was considered to be a natural or appropriate choice, in the absence of any substantive reason to select a different option. As a corollary of this understanding, your opening phrase above ceases to make sense. But once again, I've learned to observe the deficiencies of mythology fanboys in a number of different spheres of activity, and trace said deficiencies to the entire supernaturalist modus operandi, which at bottom, consists of making shit up, then pretending that said made up shit somehow magically dictates how the universe operates, regardless of how vigorously the universe disagrees with said pretence, and flushes the requisite banal apologetic assertions down the toilet. But I digress.

Let's move on and examine this latest excursion into the world of a posteriori fabrication, shall we? The a posteriori in question almost certainly becoming ex recto upon further examination?

his purpose is making one pair out of all other creatures on planet earth to be intelligent so that they can take care of all the other creatures.

Apparently you appear to be unaware of some elementary facts here. One being that the other 2.4 million known species (and climbing) don't need our intervention in order to continue producing offspring and leading their lives. As was the case for the millions of species that existed in eras before the existence of humans. I suspect everything from trilobites to Tiktaalik is pointing and laughing at you here. Furthermore I suspect there are a good many species extant today that would, if they could articulate the requisite thought, wish that humans would fuck off and die and leave said species to their own devices.

Oh, and just in case you're tempted to peddle the usual creationist guff at this point, I'll advise you strongly not to bother, because said guff frequently fails to rise to the level of competence required to be worthy of a point of view by those of us with functioning neurons. We only bother with said guff, from the standpoint of the public duty of subjecting manifest nonsense to the shredding it deserves.

This [sic] intelligent creatures have the ability to do so many things due to their intelligence, unlike all other creatures living explicitly on instinct.

Apparently you are also unaware that numerous non-human species exhibit quantifiably intelligent behaviours. The scientific literature presents abundant documentation thereof. I suggest you read some of it.

Oh, and as an invertebrate zoologist, I'm aware of various spiders, bugs, ticks and mites that exhibit behaviours impossible for humans to emulate. I have much fun making the door-knocking variety of mythology fanboy prolapse when I reach for the requisite scientific papers documenting said behaviours.

God warned the first human pair that since they're going to become many in no time, it will become difficult for them to cohabit with diverse notions and hobbies

Er, citation for this assertion? Even if we ignore all the data from palaeontology and molecular phylogeny, in order to entertain this excursion into nebulous whimsy on your part, I do not recall any admonition of the sort appearing in the various renditions of Genesis I've read, so unless you have something other than fabrication to offer here, I think we can toss this assertion into the bin as well.

so they'll have to rely on him for guidance (right and wrong) to know how to deal with fellow intelligent creatures like themselves!

In other words, you've just admitted that your brand of mythology fanboyism reduces ethics to "Magic man says so". How predictably lame.

Another invisible intelligent being convinced them that they can do better than that if they decide now to rebel against God's authority, they will not die has God said, it will be an opportunity to become Gods in the midst of the coming generation, they'll be in the position to make rules on what is right or wrong, they will be able to grasp (SEE) more opportunities than simply relying on God always!

Well, leaving the talking snake aside, which is another example of mythological farce, this narrative is a crock. I'll come to that shortly.

The door is opened for doubts against their life giver, and they chose to rebel against God!

Again, we'll see why this assertion of yours is basically yet more ex recto fabrication in a moment ...

So it's not God's fault for making intelligent creatures on planet earth

Au contraire. First of all, certain key principles are understood in every properly constituted jurisdictions. One of these being that those in positions of power and responsibility, do not escape censure even if underlings carry out reprehensible actions on behalf of those in power, and certainly do not escape censure for their own actions.

Second, there's also a basic principle extant in modern jurisdictions, known as ethical competence. Which, in short, means that those lacking the ability to engage in even elementary ethical reasoning, cannot be held responsible for their actions on that basis.

Unfortunately, it just so happens to be one of the central assertions of this mythological narrative, that the requisite stool pigeons were purportedly "created" by your cartoon invisible magic man, precisely bereft of the requisite capabilities. Which means that until they acted in the requisite manner, they did not possess the ability to determine right from wrong. They were, quite simply, ethical nonentities, and asserted by your mythology to be "created" thus by your cartoon invisible magic man. No properly developed jurisdiction would consider them culpable, precisely because they were completely bereft of the capacity for ethical thought. That state of being ethical nonentities, is precisely what your mythology asserts the requisite characters were.

Furthermore, since it is also asserted in your mythology, that your cartoon invisible magic man purportedly possesses "perfect foreknowledge" of the future, apart from the issues arising from this assertion with respect to the existence of genuine free will itself, this assertion, if true, means that your cartoon invisible magic man knew in advance every detail of what would happen, and went ahead anyway launching a prepared trap for the unfortunate stool pigeons.

As a corollary of combining these assertions from your mythology, and their appropriate import, those of us who paid attention in class, are led to regard this entire fable as a sinister piece of toying with helpless puppets on the part of your cartoon invisible magic man. In short, your cartoon invisible magic man is not merely culpable, but revealed in this fable to be a sadistic, manipulative Svengali figure.

Then, of course, we have the absurdity of asserting that a universe fabricated from the outset to contain a built-in self-destruct mechanism, that can be triggered by a woman eating the wrong piece of fruit, constitutes a "perfect creation". A farcical notion that only a deluded mythology fanboy could entertain. Unless of course, the definition of "perfect" being applied here, is some idiosyncratic mythology fanboy fabrication deviating from the regular definition by several light years.

Did making this shit up make you feel warm and fuzzy inside?

@ The Intruder

"Everything God did goes PERFECTLY with logic"

"So it's not God's fault"

Here we go again, another relentless string of unevidenced assertions,, about a deity you can demonstrate no objective evidence for.

Preaching in other words.

All of your unevidenced assertions have been dismissed in the exact fashion they have been asserted, Hitchens's razor applied.

"This intelligent creatures have the ability to do so many things due to their intelligence, unlike all other creatures living explicitly on instinct."

Except this one, not because you have even pretended to offer any evidence for it of course, but because it is manifestly untrue.

Are you ever going to offer anything substantive beyond these bare assertions and sermons?

Who are these friends?
I have never encountered them, because no-one to date has ever logically explained any gods' workings.

Doesn't your god do revelations for individuals? The last revelation I heard of involved a guy who was actively prosecuting and killing Christians. I'm a bad boy but I'm not a murderer, so why cant I have a revelation, a blinding Damascene event?
No need to answer. I know you haven't got a clue, nor a grip on logic. You only have unsubstantiated faith.