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I have a bachelor's degree in maths (first class). You don't need much math though to understand there is a problem with 1=0.
@ Dan
Thanks. Was just wondering. I have had Master's level calculus in both Astrophysics, Geographical Information Science, Celestial Mechanics, and Orbital Mechanics. And I shall admit, most of my math has been in physics rather than "pure" math.
rmfr
arakish: Holy Moly - Who pulled your string..... I don't have time to read your most recent publication currently, but I should be free next weekend and I will give it a run through.... :-)
Where can i see his publication please? Please share it by PM. Thanks.
@ Talyyn
Uhh... What publication?
rmfr
It was somethin Cognostic said:
"arakish: Holy Moly - Who pulled your string..... I don't have time to read your most recent publication currently, but I should be free next weekend and I will give it a run through.... :-)"
@ Talyyn
He was talking about my OP. Had me lost for a few minutes.
rmfr
okey... silly me :)
Yes, the OP. Wild assertions were just being made in an area of arakish's expertise I see now. Damn. we got a lot of edjumacated peoples on this site.
And as I have been saying:
"Searching for knowledge and learning is what it means to be human instead of a robot being told what to think. There is no shame in being self-taught, searching for knowledge and learning. The only shame is not searching in the first place."
rmfr
@dan
Do believe there is a god? If so, what objective evidence do you have for a god.
The question 'is there a God' I can't answer directly.
The question 'was the universe created' is possible to address. I believe the answer is probably yes. The universe appears fine-tuned for life. The prime mover argument appears to hold. The cosmological design of the universe looks very Occam's Razor.
So balance of probability is the universe was created. So God could exist. If you define God just as the creator of the universe then he does exist.
@dan
I ask for objective evidence that a god is real. You first have to prove that a god is real before you can claim it created anything.
Everything in life is cause and effect. Chains of cause and effect. Forming a hierarchy of cause and effect. But that hierarchy cannot regress infinity because actual infinity is impossible. It must terminate somewhere with an uncaused cause, a prime mover. That is what the common man understands to be God.
I do love the prime mover. All it relies on is cause and effect.
Stars... whole load of stuff with gravity and nuclear fusion has to be spot on for stars to work. Stars are the power source for all of life. All looks designed to me.
So above is some of the evidence for a creator. Who may or may not be God.
@ Dan
"So above is some of the evidence for a creator. Who may or may not be God."
I still see no evidence. Just presupposed assumptive assertions.
rmfr
@dan
All you have is subjective evidence from your mind. Objective evidence exist outside of the mind.
So prime mover = god? Any objective evidence for that claim?
Objective claims requires objective evidence.
Xenoview's razor
So your trying to claim your god had no creator?
You do realize that your god is a human construct, designed to control how people think and behave.
I just started a collection of logical "razors."
Sagan's Razor: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Hitchens's Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Arakish's Razor: NO EVIDENCE = NO EXISTENCE.
Xenoview's Razor: Objective claims requires objective evidence.
rmfr
@ Dan
Another one.
"I do love the prime mover. All it relies on is cause and effect."
First you have to prove the "prime mover" exists. Also remember my new collections of razors:
Sagan's Razor: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Hitchens's Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Arakish's Razor: NO EVIDENCE = NO EXISTENCE.
Xenoview's Razor: Objective claims requires objective evidence.
rmfr
rat spit’s #1 razor: “The OverLord talks to me and therefore He’s real.”
rat spit’s #2 razor: “Subjective evidence is the only kind of evidence there is. All evidence is sense based.”
@ rat spit
And here you are pretending to be a wise copy cat.
rmfr
@Arakish
hissss!!!
@Rat Spit Re: "hissss"
Bwaaa-haa-haa....Damn... So glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that. LMAO....
How ya been, dude?
Oh me? You know - just getting into the Christmas spirit. The Evil One just loves that Jesus guy. Man did He ever take him for a run around the track. The Evil One’s favourite time of the year :)
Good. Have some fun dude.
rmfr
@Rat Spit Re: "The Evil One’s favourite time of the year :)"
I can totally understand that. Plenty of prime targets of opportunity out there this time of year, for sure. Bet He is like a kid in a candy store. Tell Him I said he should pace Himself, though. Wouldn't want Him to wear Himself out before the main event. *chuckle*... Give Him my regards, if you don't mind. And tell Him I said, "Happy hunting."
@ Dan
"The universe appears fine-tuned for life."
Notice the operative word you are using.
"No universe is fine-tuned for life. Life tunes itself to universe." — Arakish.
rmfr
@Dan
Even I think the universe was likely created... by the big bang. However my guess is that is not what you meant, you meant that the universe was created by some sort of "god like" being. Although you stated in another post that you do not believe in the whole omniscient omnipotent stuff which makes your god definition very very vague.
Can you in any way prove that the universe appears fine-tuned for life? To me it is the opposite. 99.999999999999 (let the 9's continue for a while) of the universe is utterly inhospitable to even the hardiest forms of life. Even in our tiny tiny corner of the universe where we could actually have a snowball's chance in hell to actually detect life, it is a whole lot of NOT suitable, not fine tuned for life.
Imagine a vast sandy desert of fine grain sand. As far as the eye can see in every direction, realize you are standing on sand dune that is at least 100 feet deep at the moment. Then realize an accurate representation of known life/not life, would be something along the lines of: a single grain of sand in that vast desert of sand being suitable/fine tuned for life, with all the rest of it being instant death and destruction of all life as we know it.
A much better argument can be made that the universe is the opposite that is utterly NOT fine tuned for life, with tiny tiny tiny oasis of life that we know of. The only argument you could make that is finely tuned for life is that earth's surface is finely tuned for the life found on earth.
The prime mover argument is a very flawed argument. There is absolutely no evidence of a possible prime mover and zero conclusions can be drawn, meaning the 1 trillion different prime mover hypothesis that I just made up this very second are all just as valid as your prime mover argument and all of them are equally valid and invalid as your own prime mover idea. It is meaningless, don't waste your time on thoughts meaningless conclusions where the only flaw is to try and draw conclusions from the meaningless nonsense you have to work with.
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@Dan
"The universe appears fine-tuned for life."
This universe is incredibly hostile to life. 99.999999% of the universe would kill any life. The only life that exists is in very rare scenarios and came into being with a lot of luck.
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