how can we "see" God? illogical atheism

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how can we "see" God? illogical atheism

we have any kind of food with any kind of taste. we have any kind of drink with any kind of taste. we have any kind of material to build and make anything we want, the world is the place to be. evolution couldn't do this. bible quote: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" (Matthew 7:7). this is not the kingdom of God. believe in the magic soup of darwin (satan), believe in the frog which became a prince, believe in satan. (bad advice). even if you see God, nothing can make you believe that he is God, nothing can make you believe his law, only faith can do that. how did Lord Jesus anticipate his success, the success of christianity? simple, he knows God, and he is the Son of God.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Revelation 1:8)

illogical atheism:
who made christianity and why? who made the old testament and why? you don't believe in Lord Jesus, so someone lied and made the new testament for an evil reason, according to your opinion. those who lied, they believed in evolution? or other gods? because God and evolution are the only solutions that explain our existence. so there is this possibility, some ancient men believed in evolution but they hid that until darwin bringing to the public, so darwin ruins their plan and you the same, to be liars forever because we die, they can't enjoy of "masterplan", makes perfect sense, the irony. the old testament could be made for the same reason or made by lunatics. again, this makes perfect sense, irony again. in conclusion, darwin was an outlaw, ancient men believed in evolution, or other gods and they lied to us, making us believe in Lord Jesus. perfect sense (irony).

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Tin-Man's picture
Dammit, Crist! You forgot

Dammit, Crist! You forgot your background music again. Here. This one should do....

https://youtu.be/wnXuPqakMOw

You really need to remember to bring your own music. Keep this up and I'm gonna have to start charging you.

doG's picture
You sir need to stop making

@tinplatedcomedian

You sir need to stop making me laugh up my drinks onto my lappy toppy.

Tin-Man's picture
@doG

@doG

All I'm sayin' is that the man needs to be better prepared if he is gonna come here to deliver his sermon. We have higher standards here that need to be met, and I believe having some inspirational and uplifting background music is not too much to ask.... *annoyed*... Crist almighty! Do these theists think we are not deserving of such pleasantries?

watchman's picture
Well ...well …… there it is..

Well ...well …… there it is....again.....

Not surprising really...…

bollocks usually come in pairs.

NewSkeptic's picture
Here's some sound

Here's some sound epistemology

Premise: If god exists, this Atheist Forum would get trolls that make at least a minimum amount of sense.

Premise: cristian_gavrilescu

Conclusion: There is no god.

cristian_gavrilescu's picture
buddy, here is no hope but i

buddy, here is no hope but i want to show you my work, to talk because i spoke everywhere, and here not

CyberLN's picture
cristian_gavrilescu, you

cristian_gavrilescu, you wrote, “who made christianity and why?”
People made it...imo, likely because unanswered questions made them uncomfortable or to control others.

“who made the old testament and why?”
See above.

“you don't believe in Lord Jesus, so someone lied and made the new testament for an evil reason, according to your opinion.”
How do you know what my opinion is? Are you a mind reader?

“those who lied, they believed in evolution? or other gods? because God and evolution are the only solutions that explain our existence.”
The only solutions? How did you arrive at this conclusion? Why can’t there be more solutions?

“so there is this possibility, some ancient men believed in evolution but they hid that until darwin bringing to the public, so darwin ruins their plan and you the same, to be liars forever because we die, they can't enjoy of "masterplan", makes perfect sense, the irony.”
WTF?

“the old testament could be made for the same reason or made by lunatics. again, this makes perfect sense, irony again.”
We already addressed this.

“in conclusion, darwin was an outlaw, ancient men believed in evolution, or other gods and they lied to us, making us believe in Lord Jesus. perfect sense (irony).”
This entire post, however, does not make perfect sense.

cristian_gavrilescu's picture
you wrote :The only solutions

you wrote :The only solutions? How did you arrive at this conclusion? Why can’t there be more solutions?

the third option does not exist, if you say aliens, i say who made aliens?

if you are reasonable, you see i am right about all

CyberLN's picture
cristian_gavrilescu, it

cristian_gavrilescu, it appears that you lack imagination. Sad.

Can you objectively demonstrate that there are only two choices?

(Be careful! Pay particular attention to both the words ‘objectively’ and ‘demonstrate’. There is only ONE reasonable answer. Let’s see if you can figure it out.)

As a side note, when you are replying to someone here, it’s advisable you use their name. It reduces the potential for confusion.

cristian_gavrilescu's picture
CyberLN, i don't know, you

CyberLN, i don't know, you tell me

CyberLN's picture
cristian_garvilescu, nope, I

cristian_garvilescu, nope, I won’t. You came here of your own accord. You made assertions. It is completely reasonable for me to insist you back up your assertions with demonstrable and objective evidence. They are pretty big assertions, so for them to be accepted, overwhelming evidence needs to be presented. Otherwise, you are merely engaging in jibber jabber.

Sheldon's picture
Wow, it''s been literally

Wow, it''s been literally days since a theist used a false dichotomy fallacy in support of their archaic superstition.

This time it's really struck a nerve, I think perhaps logic is worthless in light of such compelling polemic.

***IRONY MODE OFF****

Hahahahahahahahahahaha, good one, save it for the sheeple mate, the gullibility your rhetoric requires to take seed simply won't be found on an atheists forum.

doG's picture
@deludedchristian

@deludedchristian

Do you have any objective evidence that your version of a god exists?

@ fellow peeps

I know I am going to regret this...I feel we may be johan'ed again.

cristian_gavrilescu's picture
why you believe evolution?

why you believe evolution? all

CyberLN's picture
cristian_gavelscu, quite

cristian_gavelscu, quit lighting fires elsewhere and demonstrate your assertions!

Sheldon's picture
cristian_gavrilescu "why you

cristian_gavrilescu "why you believe evolution? all"

It is supported by all the objective evidence, amassed in over 160 years of global scientific scrutiny. Attained from multiple scientific fields.

Unlike theism which is unsupported by a single shred of objective evidence, or young earth creationism which is risible superstitious nonsense. Adam and Eve ffs, don't make me laugh, magic fruit, talking snakes, and humans created from clay, using magic, how can sane adults admit to believing this guff and not be embarrassed.

cristian_gavrilescu's picture
Sheldon i know you say

Sheldon i know you say evolution "is a fact" but i want to know why

Sheldon's picture
@cristian_gavrilescu

@cristian_gavrilescu

I already said why, evolution is a scientific supported by all the objective evidence, after over 160 years of global scientific scrutiny.

Creationism is unsupported by any objected evidence, it's based on faith in an archaic myth, and all creationists ever offer is the same fatuous rhetoric you've posted here again.

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@cristian_gavrilescu

@cristian_gavrilescu

there you go getting ahead of yourself again

Why should I waste my time telling you?

You have already shown your contempt for science. You will not respect a scientific answer.

Others will reply to you as a kind of comic relief. Please don't think that your claims are respected just because people will play with you.

cristian_gavrilescu's picture
do you know even mendeleev's

do you know even mendeleev's periodic table is a deduction? a christian mendeleev

CyberLN's picture
cristian_whatever, Mendeleev

cristian_whatever, Mendeleev was raised a xtian but left it and identified as a deist. Get your facts right.

cristian_gavrilescu's picture
tell me a discovery made by

tell me a discovery made by an evolutionist

CyberLN's picture
Xtian_g, “tell me a discovery

Xtian_g, “tell me a discovery made by an evolutionist”

Evolution

Sheldon's picture
"tell me a discovery made by

"tell me a discovery made by an evolutionist"

All medical research globally is based on the scientific fact of species evolution. ALL OF IT...

cristian_gavrilescu's picture
Sheldon listen to science,

Sheldon listen to science, stay home, wash your hands, this is the wisdom science come up

Sheldon's picture
"Sheldon listen to science,

Why do theists like cristian_gavrilescu post claims and questions, then run away from the responses? The thread author asked what evolution had ever discovered, a particularly stupid question of course, since evolution is itself one of the largest scientific discoveries ever made, but here again is my answer, which he ignored in favour of some equally stupid, and unrelated rhetoric.

"All medical research globally is based on the scientific fact of species evolution. ALL OF IT..."

Thus there are globally countless medical discoveries made thanks to the scientific fact of evolution.

One can only assume the thread author is scared to address this fact? The ignorance creationists espouse is quite startling, and heartbreaking. So the next time a theist is challenging the atheists here as to why they care about the religious beliefs of theists, here then is a very compelling reason, it blights the education of countless children, who are fed the perniscious and egregious lies of the superstition of creationism.

"Sheldon listen to science, stay home, wash your hands, this is the wisdom"

Based on objective facts, from epidemiological research, so yes its sound advise if you want to slow the spread of a virus.

We might one day find a vaccine, how many diseases has the fatuous supplication of the faithful ever cured or eradicated? The answer is none of course, religion is a placebo, a comfort blanket for the stupid, the fearful, and the gullible. I don't begrudge them their delusion, as long as they don't try and force it on others as you're attempting to do here.

Grinseed's picture
I sense English is your

I sense English is your second language and you might not understand the real meaning of the word "deduction". It does not mean a "guess", "a stab in the dark" or a "feeling". The Oxford University Press Dictionary defines "deduction" as being "the inference of particular instances by reference to a general law or principle".

While researching the properties and atomic weights of elements for placement in his periodic table of elements, Mendeleev came across some anomalies. In several instances he could not place known elements in the expected atomic number order due to their chemical properties conflicting with families of elements already in place. In three cases he created blank spaces on his table and declared the elements for these spaces had not been discovered but nonetheless described their chemical properties in detail. The three elements, gallium, scandium and germanium, were discovered in his lifetime and he had accurately described their properties.

In other cases he swapped the order of elements despite their consecutive atomic weights in favour of their chemical properties. Tellurium, atomic weight 127.61 should come after Iodine weight 126.91. Mendeleev swapped their order which put them into the correct arrangement according to the grouping of chemical properties. Tellurium shares similar chemical properties with Selenium which is above in the same "family" while Iodine, now sits in the column under Bromine with which it has similar chemical characteristics.

Both these circumstances were deduced from the scientific method, that is, scientific calculations and observations Mendeleev had made. It was a scientific deduction, an "inference of particular instances by reference to a general law or principle". He wrote about how he came to these conclusions and never mentioned praying for a solution or god telling him the answer. He deduced the facts from collected measurements and observations, in other words "science".

You can learn more about science and why it has been so remarkably successful in explaining how the reality we share works. Its an amazing story that puts fantastic myths about gods and demons in the shade.

Sheldon's picture
Excellent post Grinseed, if I

Excellent post Grinseed, if I may say so.

Grinseed's picture
You may :)

You may :)

doG's picture
@deludedchristian

@deludedchristian

Ok, I will try asking you my question again...and remind you this is a debate forum.

Do you have any objective evidence that your version of a god exists?

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