If Jesus didn't exist, why does he show up in the bible and the Quran?

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SBMontero's picture
@Diotrephes: And with that

@Diotrephes: And with that you mean that because the Protestant bible has the books that it has that means that the gospels aren't written in the third century and that the documents exposed in Rome, London, Paris and Vienna are false... because to the historians who have authenticated them and those who have done the tests of age don't give a damn shit that the Protestant bible has the books that have... And what am I supposed to understand? That are you obsessed with an international conspiracy of historians, dating and translators to give lip service to the Protestant bible?

I'm going to ask you again before leave this stupid nonsense that you've gotten yourself into... What exactly do you want to sell us?

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I am lost as well, admittedly

I am lost as well, admittedly I did not carefully read this entire conversation, but yeah, what is Diotrephes trying to say? His version of the bible is real and rest are not?

SBMontero's picture
I have no idea, that's why I

I have no idea, that's why I ask him what sells. He began with the Eden that existed, that god created this and the other, that in Genesis does say where Cain's wife came out inventing himself that Genesis speak of the creation of men and women when only speaks of creating a man and a woman, Then if Genesis doesn't say it is because metaphorically is understood and speaks of humans, when in Aramaic and ancient Hebrew there's no concept of human, and now he says that the documents proving that the gospels were written in Greek during the third century and are exhibited in institutions such as the British Library are false and now I do not know if he's saying that the Gospels were written during the eighteenth century, or that's also false Ôo)-~

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Once a conversation gets deeply drawn into the various different interpretations of the bible, god etc, I tend to bow out. I have read a version of the bible, and been exposed to quite a bit of christianity. (Most of my family is in various denominations of christianity.) But I will admit I am no expert on all the different theologies, even within the christianity envelope, almost no one is, even these theist that come in here and argue for the existence of their particular god.

As an atheist, it is pretty simple manner to dismiss all major religions that deal in absolutes. "God is all knowing, All powerful, God is good."

A million and one logical flaws come flying out of absolutes. Ones so simple even a child can understand. Because of these absolutes, (and many other reasons,) most major organized religions are even easier to dismiss then the flying spaghetti monster, because the story of the flying spaghetti monster does not try to say it's perfect and eternal.

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I asked another poster if he knew when and how the Protestant Bible ended up with 66 books. He never answered.

I asked the same poster if he would share a clear image of the Bible that he reads in Greek. He never answered.

Do you care to answer for him?

SBMontero's picture
Yes, I answered, I said I don

Yes, I answered, I said I don't give a shit about your Protestant bible of 66 books that has nothing to do with the fact that the gospels were written in the third century in greek and that there're forty-eight gospels tested between London, Paris, Rome, and Vienna, all written in greek, although we know that there were more than two hundred, and that at Nicaea they took seventy-three, How do we know? Because there're the minutes of the Council of Nicaea.

And nobody has spoken of a bible of the third century, don't invent you bullshit, no need.

I repeat, I'm not interested in your paranoid conspiracies.

You can ask for all the information you want about the two parts of the gospels that I have put through the website of the British Library, the information is public. Go ahead.

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I suggest you learn some basic world history so that you can understand reality instead of believing in fairy tales.

As I've said before, everyone has a vested interest in perpetuating the fairy tale. It's a big deal for political and financial reasons. A large part of our foreign policy is based upon it. Countless people make big money from it and gain status from pushing it. So yes, historians around the world will lie and claim that it's true. Are you one of those who believe in the Shroud of Turin? They are now tying to sell Jesus' tomb. Go buy it.

The reason why I asked about the number of books in the Protestant Bible was to see if you had a clue about the Bible's history. It's now obvious that you are clueless. You refuse to do any independent research when confronted with questions that will expand your knowledge. You might as well have lived 5,000 years ago.

Here's an article that explains it. You can read it if you want or you can ignore it if you have a 5th century BC mind.
Why Were 14 Books Removed from the Bible in 1881? | Rocking God's House

Now this claim should be very easy to verify simply by getting a complete antique Bible, say one from around 1800-1860, and see how many books it has. That's something I'm trying to do myself but good condition ones are costly. If I'm able to get one I will give you the results. If 'm wrong I will say so.



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@Diotrephes: Yes, you say

@Diotrephes: Yes, you say that Eden existed, that Adam and Eve existed, you try to change what Genesis says to fit your ravings, but the one who believes in fairy tales is me.

Well, I'm an atheist, I don't go around saying that Eden existed, or that Adam and Eve existed, and certainly don't deny what's unquestionably historically speaking, for example, that the gospels were written in Greek in the third century because there's evidence of it to bore... Do you know why there's no evidence of any kind? For gospels written in the eighteenth century.

Ah, and to make it clear to you, I'm interested a fucking crap in that will remove gospels from the Protestant bible, I read the original bible in Greek, I read the Acts of Nicaea where the gospels that can be added to the bible are ratified, I have read the text that ratifies the creed that comes out of Nicaea, I read who voted for it and who voted against it. I don't give a shit about what happened in 1881 with your Protestant bible because that doesn't in the least influence the authenticated and tested Documents that are in the British Library, or in Paris, Rome and Vienna, original gospels written in the third century in greek from which originated the originals that were ascribed to the Bible coming out of Nicaea. There's no more. History, NOT stories.

I'm not interested in any paranoid conspiracies you might be selling us. I'm just interested in history, stories are just that, stories, but not History.

Sky Pilot's picture


Enjoy living in your 5th Century BC cave.

I'm sure that there was a whole herd of reporters at Nicea in the Third Century writing news articles about the big event and the results.

Maybe you can produce images of those original Greek manuscripts from the Third Century? I wonder which Greek alphabet they are written in?

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@Diotrephes: There're acts of

@Diotrephes: There're acts of the Council of Nicea, ignorant, and I have taught you parts of Greek gospels of the third century that are shown in the British Library, you can enter the web and request information. Ahead.
If you want shit about paranoid conspiracies do it in your cave, but don't mix your stories of shit with history, because you're going to have me in front of you. Study and stop saying crap.

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You have claimed to have read the Bible in Greek. I asked if you can produce a link to a legible copy. If you can would you be so kind as to do it? As I pointed out before, those scraps of manuscripts that you posted are unreadable. Besides, they are not the Bible. In the unlikely event that you don't have access to the Bible in Greek that you read simply say that you don't and I might spend some time trying to find one.

Our basic problem seems to be that we have different understanding and knowledge levels of the ethnocentric Middle Eastern Jewish religious fairy tale. You tend to say that you doubt it but I see that you are highly brainwashed and believe in most of it. I admit that I like to read it but not for religious reasons. I simply want to understand why people, especially non-Jews, believe any of it. Over time, discussing with it various posters of different persuasions and knowledge, I now know why so many believe in the fairy tale that has absolutely nothing to do with them. They are simply clueless and have been brainwashed. Even the average atheist is brainwashed to such an extent that he will accept the fairy tale although he says that he doesn't believe in it. That's because they have never learned the truth so they believe the lie. The simple truth is that the Bible is a collection of stories that say that the Israelites/Hebrews/Jews are special and that they are some nutty deity's chosen people who will make everyone else their slaves for eternity. That's the sole message of the Bible. There isn't anything else.

So if you can produce your Greek language Bible I would appreciate it. You think your Greek Bible is real but you claim that you don't believe it. Yet you are willing to attack me for calling it a lie. Isn't that weird?

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@Diotrephes: No, I don't need

@Diotrephes: No, I don't need to look for images of the first bible in Greek. The image I attach is the column in uncial characters of the texts of Ezra, as they're read in the Septuagint Bible which belonged to the library of Eusebius of Caesarea, it's the copy that was included in the first bible that came out of Nicaea and which was later retouched. If you want to read it you can obtain identity document as a researcher and go to the Vatican Library in Rome, or look online. And remember, I've had it in my hands, don't try to sell me shit. Enjoy it.

I don't give a fuckin 'shit about your understanding of the Jewish fairy tale. You said that the Jewish word didn't exist until the eighteenth century, that the historian Titus Flavius Josephus didn't exist, that Eden existed and that god did know what. I repeat, your paranoid understanding of history doesn't interest me in fucking shit. The History is, your stories are not and that's the basic problem, not our basic problem, your basic problem.

Now, to make matters worse, you aren't just a believer in the paranoid conspiracy, you're a fucking racist. Jesus was included in the Torah after the massacre of Alexandria because throughout Europe Jews were persecuted for what the Bible says, Jews murdered Jesus, that was preached in the temples, and today is still the perception of many Christians. Ehm... and that's history too.

There hasn't been any moment, comment, or written word on my part giving lip service to anything written in the Bible, you have done it, you have said that Eden existed, you even described rivers among which, according to you, Eden was, You said that Adam and Eve existed and that the Hebrew god created them... we've all read you. Don't try now to nail others to the bullshit you said.

I'm atheist, but to be an atheist doesn't mean to believe in paranoid conspiracies, in my view that is also to be a believer, to change one belief for another, it may be more attractive according to sick minds. I don't need any of that, I have history books.

You have been asked four times, Do you have any proof that the gospels written in Greek during the third century and whose parts are exposed in London, Paris, Rome and Vienna are fakes? Do you have any proof that the Septuagint Bible is a Fake? Evidence, not sickening musings, proofs.


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Thanks for your input. You may want to chill or your blood pressure will go sky high.

We are discussing the Bible and analyzing it and expressing our opinions and supporting them with whatever evidence we can gather. I suppose we could post a million comments about assorted silly things without going beneath the surface. Some people seem to enjoy doing that. I want to dig a little deeper. So if that upsets you then you may wish to ignore my comments.

Now, the Bible clearly states that the Jews killed Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 (NLT) = "14 And then, dear brothers and sisters, you suffered persecution from your own countrymen. In this way, you imitated the believers in God’s churches in Judea who, because of their belief in Christ Jesus, suffered from their own people, the Jews. 15 For some of the Jews killed the prophets, and some even killed the Lord Jesus. Now they have persecuted us, too. They fail to please God and work against all humanity 16 as they try to keep us from preaching the Good News of salvation to the Gentiles. By doing this, they continue to pile up their sins. But the anger of God has caught up with them at last."

In the Jewish Babylonian Talmud it brags that the Jews killed Jesus using five different methods of execution = Sanhedrin 43a-45b, Sanhedrin 46a, Sanhedrin 52a. They said that they stoned, hanged, crucified, burned, and strangled him in a pit of dung up to his armpits. I guess they wanted him dead.

You keep trying to resurrect Josephus when there was no one by that name at that time. That invalidates your argument. Hell, Jesus didn't exist until some Dutch con men created him around 1632.

Thanks for the copy of your proof. Unfortunately it's another fake because it's written in the modern Greek alphabet.

That's the value of analyzing the fairy tale. You gain knowledge to understand it and the ability to separate the bull shit from the camel crap and the chicken shit. While it's all shit you should know what kind it is. We may not believe in it but other people do. It's a big money maker and a lot of our foreign and domestic policy is based on supporting it.

If discussing the Bible drives you nuts we can discuss the Koran, Book of Mormon, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Venezuelan gangster gods, or any other religious fairy tale of your choice. Or you can simply ignore my comments.

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@Diotrephes: No, none of the

@Diotrephes: No, none of the three texts I have set forth; part of the Gospel of Saint Thomas (Paris), part of the Gospel of John (British Library) and part of the Septuagint Bible (Rome); are written in modern Greek. It's a lie. If you have any proof about all these documents are false, please pass the proofs to any of the historical institutions that expose them.

Yes, Titus Flavius Josephus born Joseph ben Matityahu (יוסף הכהן בן מתתיהו‎, Ἰώσηπος Ματθίου) existed, he was a historian and wrote two of the works that explain the transit of Judea from 73 BC until AD 73, but I'm sorry, I'm not interested in repeating the same thing over and over again... http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/if-jesus-didnt-exist-w...
... and I don't need to prove his existence or argue about it, If you have any proof that he and his books don't exist, please expose, or buy his books at Amazon.

No, I have no problem arguing about the bible, what I refuse is to cheer up your paranoid conspiracies. I'm sorry that you have the same false beliefs as anyone who believes in god's existence, but isn't my problem, it's your problem.

Don't worry about my blood pressure, I find charlatans much better than you two and three times a week for work, and quiet, every time you say bullshit, you're going to have me in front with history in my hand. I always say it, and I always repeat it, in front of the stories charlatans, always history.

You're going to quote me Isaiah now, or...

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Damn, that Josephus guy is one tough zombie. I'm going to have to send his rotting corpse to the Sun.

If you have a printer handy go to the ancient scripts site and print off the various Greek alphabets.Ancient Scripts: Greek

Now compare the sheet that you posted to the Greek alphabets that you just printed off. You will see that your sheet is written in the modern Greek. It's not from ancient times. At the most it's only a few hundred years old, if that. If you are reasonable you will admit that you were wrong. If not....

I'm going to take a nap so have fun.

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@Diotrephes: Don't tell me,

@Diotrephes: Don't tell me, tell him, there you have it, tell him that he didn't exist... and don't forget to tell to the museum where the bust is kept, the bookshops that sell his books... Go ahead!

The document I uploaded belongs to the Septuagint Bible, translated from Aramaic, belongs to the ancient library of Eusebius of Caesarea, delivered in 298 AD, exposed in the Vatican library, authenticated by no christians experts and tested. We know who translated it, who wrote it, and why it was made. This version was attached to the bible that came out of the Council of Nicaea and appears in the minutes of the Council, along with the approved gospels -before I put the copy of part of one, the one of John, in Greek, of course, it's in the British Library-, and the Creed, as well as who voted for it and who didn't... If you have evidence to the contrary, please, expose... although after two days asking you for evidence of your shits without any of it isn't going to surprise the absence, Right?

Do you no longer quote Isaiah?

Speak, speak with him, c'mon.


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these early text were letters

these early text were letters to the way which was the name that the early church went by until Antioch when Paul names them Christians.They were all arranged in order by the second century.they wrote on papyrus animal skins also. it wasn`t until the 300`s that the canon was established, But you know the early church fathers like polycop and clement athenacius could quote them all as early as the 100`s ad.

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They were strictly oral

They were strictly oral stories. The area was a constant war zone. Even if someone had written a scroll the probability of it surviving and being passed on had to have been zero. Centuries later someone may have made some rudimentary notes on a scroll. Think about how the Islamic writers wrote the BS hadiths about Mohammed and his buddies. They did it centuries later with some great dialogue. But it was all BS that the believing dummies bought without a second thought.

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You can know more about the fictional called "jesus"

"It has served us well, this myth of Christ"
-Pope Leo X [1475-1521]*

The resurrection is a common theme found in numerous completely different religions throughout the world, symbolic of a descent to the underworld and a later return. Mesopotamia: Ishtar's/Inanna's descent and return [she was resurrected from the dead], Egypt: Osiris, God of the Underworld was resurrected, Greece: Persephone's descent into the underworld and return, the list of resurrected Gods is extensive and is based a concept, not actual characters. This allegory is based upon the Magnum Opus and what is known as the "Nigredo Stage." For more information, read the article Exposing Spiritual Corruption: Spiritual Alchemy & the Bible.

Anu, Enlil and Ea- the Christian Church stole their "God the Father," and "God the Son" from this one.
Bel-Saturn, Jupiter-Bel, and Baal-Chom
Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva
Mithra, Varuna, and Indra
Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva
Osiris, Isis, and Horus
Three-bodied goddess Hecate
Three-headed Scylla
Triune divinities of the Cabiri.
Three-headed Dog, Cerberus
Taoism: the trinity San Qing [Three Pure Gods]. Yu Qing [Jade Pure] Shang Qing [Upper Pure] and Tai Qing [Great Pure]
Monju Bosatsu, Fugen Bosatsu and the historical Buddha called the "Shaka Trinity" [SHAKA SANZON]
Ka [Spirit or Ether], Ba [ Body], and the Ankh [Immortality]
Tamas [Stability] Sattwa [orderliness] Rajas [Restlessness] from the "Guna" Sanskrit translation
Artemis, Aphrodite, and Hecate
Kore, Persephone, and Demeter
Shen [Spirit], C'hi [Vitality], and Ching [Essence] the three treasures of Taoist Wai Tai [internal alchemy]
Alpha, Omega, and Iota
The Devil's Trident [the "Trishul"]

Of course, we can't forget "the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost."

The Nazarene's crucifixion is nothing new. Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. I Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The Norse God Odin preceded Jesus the Christ. Odin hung from a tree and experienced a death of sorts to obtain knowledge. Through being "reborn," he obtained gnosis [advanced spiritual knowledge], as did the Egyptian God Set who was “crucified” on a “cross” known as a furka.1 In addition, Krishna, Marsyas, Dodonian, and Zeus also hung from trees. This is also the meaning of the hanged man card in the Tarot. The Buddha also sat beneath a "Bo Tree." "Bo" is of "Boa" meaning "serpent" the kundalini. The tree is an ancient depiction of the human soul, with the trunk being symbolic of the spine and the branches symbolizing the 144,000 nadis with the leaves and fruits symbolizing the fruits of meditations; the life force and powers of the mind and soul. In addition, Krishna, Marsyas, Dodonian, and Zeus also hung from trees. "144,000" is another Jewish/Christian Biblical corruption of an allegory having to do with the nadis of the human soul, of which are special pathways for the life-force.

Below is a further list of Gods who hung from trees:

Tammuz of Syria, 1160 BCE
Wittoba of the Telingonese, 552 BCE
Iao of Nepal, 622 BCE Iao is often spelt "Jao" sound familiar? This is the root of the Hebrew god "Jehova."
Hesus of the Celtic Druids, 834 BCE. Note the similarity of "Hesus" with "Jesus."
Quetzalcoatl of Mexico 587 BCE
Quirinus of Rome 506 BCE
Prometheus 547 BCE "In the account of the crucifixion of Prometheus of Caucasus, as furnished by Seneca, Hesiod and other writers, it is stated that he was nailed to an upright beam of timber to which were affixed extended arms of wood, and that this cross was situated near the Caspian Straits."
Thulis of Egypt, 1700 BCE
Indra of Tibet, 725 BCE
Alcestos of Euripedes, 600 BCE
Atys of Phrygia, 1170 BCE
Crite of Chaldea, 1200 BCE
Bali of Orissa, 725 BCE
Mithra of Persia, 600 BCE

The above list was taken from the book "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" by Kersey Graves, Sixth Edition- 1960

Also, the regarding the name "Jesus," the five letters represent the five elements- fire, earth, air, water, and quintessence of the human soul, the fictitious character was stolen from Pagan ALLEGORIES- he was said to have lived "33 years" which correspond to the vertebrate of the human spine where the kundalini serpent ascends, which transforms the human mind and soul into super consciousness. This is what is meant by a 33rd degree Mason. The two others who were crucified along with the Nazarene make up another trinity and are again ALLEGORIES of the three major sections of the soul where there is a cross of energies; the main being the neuter heart chakra [larger cross], where the shoulder chakras have wings and the two smaller hip and sixth chakras. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the occult, study everything on this website and also the Joy of Satan website which is very revealing regarding spiritual knowledge.

The Nazarene was invented from a CONCEPT. The Nazarene is what is known as the chi, the "witchpower," "prana" and other terms for the powers of the human mind and soul. The many depictions of halos indicate the risen Serpent of Satan, also known as the kundalini. The cross was originally equal-armed and is the shape of the human soul. This has been hideously corrupted as well. The "Jesus Saves" bunk that Christians parrot out like a pull on the cord child's toy, is false. In reality, only your own powers will save you. Through power meditation, we can heal ourselves, and survive situations that will prove disastrous to those who lack this knowledge. The ascended serpent is the prerequisite for the Magnum Opus working that makes one physically and spiritually perfect and immortal. This is another area where the deluded Christians keep repeating the "everlasting life" phrase without any idea of what it really is, means or how to obtain it.
The Latin cross was not a part of Christianity until the 7th century and not fully acknowledged until the 9th century.
Primitive churches preferred to represent the Nazarene with the lamb. The lamb, by the way is another stolen symbol. The lamb of Easter is represented by the sign of Aries the Ram" [which begins on March 21st of every year]. The Lamb was also carried by Hermes and Osiris.
The spring lamb, symbolic of when the sun enters the sign of Aries, which is symbolized by the ram, also has to do with beginning the Magnum Opus working.


EASTER was stolen from Astaroth. Originally known as "Ashtar." This holiday coincides with the Vernal Equinox of spring when day and night are of equal length. This holiday is known as "Eastre" to the Anglo-Saxons. As the Goddess of fertility, she was associated with rabbits and eggs. The Christians stole this holiday and corrupted its meaning. Other names for the holiday include: Easter, Eastre, Eos, Eostre, Ester, Estrus, [Estrus is when an animal goes into heat; mating season], Oestrus, Oistros, and Ostara. Again, the "Lamb of God" was stolen from the Zodiac sign of Aries the Ram, which occurs every spring.

THE YULE SEASON, December 25th. Coinciding with the Winter Solstice, December 25th is close to the shortest day of the year, and is the birth date of the Persian God Mithra, and is the Roman Holiday of Saturnalias. The tree, decorations, baking, gifts and celebrating have NOTHING to do with the Nazarene. These are carry-overs from Pagan celebrations. Again, the tree with the lights and decorations is symbolic of the risen serpent, the soul that has been lit up, as all of the 144,000 nadis are alive with energy. The shape of the fir tree, as it culminates in a point, symbolizes the welling up of energy to the top of the head, no different form the symbolism of the Egyptian pyramids, terminating in a point. There are many different Pagan Gods associated with and celebrated around or on December 25th.

"All Saint's Day" corresponds with "Halloween/Samhain."

"Assumption Day" coincides with "Lammas Day" of the "Summer Solstice."

All of these holidays which were originally GENTILE/PAGAN have been replaced to conform with and focus on fictitious Jewish characters.

For more detailed information regarding the theft and corruption of Pagan holidays, see The Stolen Year


The Cincture is a parallel to the Witch's Cord or Girdle
The Alb is a Ceremonial Robe
The Bishop's Miter is a copy of the Ancient Egyptian Crowns of the Gods and the Pharaohs
The Crosier represents the sorcerer's blasting rod and bears a strong resemblance to the Ancient Egyptian Crook


The usual Christian mass/service makes use of the following:

The Bell
The Incense burner/Thurible
The Candles
The Host
The Book
The Chalice filled with wine

Yet, in spite of this, the Christian Church murdered en masse, those accused of being witches, sorcerers and those of Pagan religions.


With Christian sacraments, it is obvious they are bogus. One can come and go as one pleases and they have no meaning. Of course this stands to reason as they were all stolen. Some blatant examples:

Baptism with water

Confession- stolen from the Papyrus of the Royal Mother Nezemt

The Communion Host

During a mass or church service, the priest or minister recites the line of "Eat my body and drink my blood" for the blessing of the communion host/Eucharist. This is a simulation of a human blood sacrifice. For more in-depth information, please see The Christian Mass/Service: a Simulation of a Human Blood Sacrifice

The "Holy Spirit"

The "Holy Spirit" supposedly descended upon the apostles of the Nazarene in tongues of fire. AGAIN, this is the Serpent of Satan, the kundalini, and has been stolen and corrupted from Pagan religions, especially those of the Far East. Paganism has been labeled as "Satanism." Also, the word "Pagan" means "Gentile."
Acts 2:2-4
2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The Serpent is known to bring knowledge and expanded consciousness; enlightenment.
"Ushnisha" is known as “flame of invisible light” sat upon the head of the Buddha or Buddhist holy man indicating divine intelligence.
The flames are the ascended kundalini serpent, which is of Satan.

The Rosary was stolen from Tibetan Mala Beads. Mala beads are used for counting mantras, by sliding the fingers from bead to bead, so one is not distracted by having to keep track of the numbers during meditation. The repetition of the "Hail Marys" and the "Our Fathers" most common to Catholicism were stolen and corrupted from the Far East Asian Mantras. A Mantra is a word of power, vibrated repeatedly to focus the mind in meditation, and to manifest one's wishes and desires into reality. "AUM" is the most common, and this is where the Christian used word "AMEN" was stolen from; also from the Egyptian God Amon, whose name means the same "AUM." The robotic repetitious prayers recited over and over again in Christian Churches are also corrupted imitations of mantras.

The church steeple is a copy of the Egyptian Obelisk; the only difference is the crucifix on top. We are all familiar with the Egyptian obelisk, such as "Cleopatra's Needle." This has a lot in common with the "Maypole." The "Maypole" was the symbol for the May King's phallus [erect penis]. This is a symbol of fertility. On the eve of Beltane [April 30th], celebrants danced around the maypole. The original Egyptian obelisks were symbols of the phallus. They represented the erect organ of the earth God "Geb" as he lay on the ground trying to reach up to unite himself with the Goddess "Neith/Nut" of the overarching sky. Unbeknownst to most Christians, their church steeple is a symbolic erect penis with a cross on top.

The HALO, indicative of a risen Serpent of Satan [kundalini], was stolen from Hindu Gods and the Buddha. Both religions predated Christianity by centuries.

That annoying fish symbol the Christians use has also been stolen and corrupted. It is called a "yoni" and the Christians turned it on its side. It is really a vagina and its correct position is seen here at left. The yoni is a very ancient symbol and can be seen in many old decks of Tarot cards, as is pictured here.

Christians venerating relics, ringing bells and burning incense are unwittingly imitating Hindu rituals that were established many centuries before Judeo/Christianity.
The praying hands were stolen as well. They are an ancient Yogic Mudra. There are statues of the Hindu Gods and also the Buddha with the praying hands known as the "NAMASTE MUDRA." The folded hands as well, are a variation, and another mudra that was stolen. Mudras are used in meditation to connect the minor chakra circuits in the hands and fingers. Many Yoga asanas have these as well. Check any on-line images of Hatha Yoga postures. Yoga predates Christianity.

The Saints took the place of the Old Gods in the Catholic religion as the pope used this replacement method for converting polytheists to monotheism. Ancient Pagan Temples, along with libraries that contained important spiritual texts, were destroyed and razed by Christians. Christian churches were built often over these. Many Pagan temples were built on Ley Lines, especially in Europe.

*The Atlantis Blueprint, page 267 by Colin Wilson

1 The Woman's Dictionary of Symbols and Sacred Objects" by Barbara G. Walker, Page 54."

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That's a lot. It'll be a good reference.

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Well at least you cited where

Well at least you cited where you copied and pasted that post from, but it isn't wise to copy paste huge amounts of copyrighted material.

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Great Stuff - new to the site

Great Stuff - new to the site and enjoying reading the discussions.

SecularSonOfABiscuitEater's picture
Dc has Green Arrow and Marvel

Dc has Green Arrow and Marvel has Hawkeye. Same type of Character, different book.

LogicFTW's picture
I love comic references! :)

I love comic references! :)

7531yo's picture
Because they were books

Because they were books written by men. I am History major and i know for a fact that the Romans kept records at the time. They kept shipping, trade, building, and census records to name a few. Guess what? There is not a single person in their census records named Jesus of Nazareth. There is no historical evidence and no primary source documents written at the so called time that Jesus lived to prove his existence. You would think that scholars(which there were at the time)would have written at least one primary souce document about Jesus, but they didn't! All the information is from secondary sources.

Pitar's picture
@ SBMontero - RE: "I'm unable

@ SBMontero - RE: "I'm unable"

It fast approaches. To be atheist is to be of a charity no theism would suffer.

MCDennis's picture
The question is as brilliant

The question is as brilliant as this one: If Spiderman does not exist why does he appear in so many comics?


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