I'm really curious what conclusions can be made about music and devil?

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I'm really curious what conclusions can be made about music and devil?

Watch "Shocking excerpts from Bob Dylan's 60 Minutes Interview-Did he sell his soul?" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/m_wAZ02JUtM

Watch "Selling SOULS to the Devil: PROOF Lucifer runs the MUSIC INDUSTRY.." on YouTube
https://youtu.be/PAajMPmK1Jc

It seems to me that these people are not playing around. I've also learned that to acend the ranks you must be willing to offer something, so not everyone is going to get to see the whole rabbit hole. And I've learned that they love mocking us by hiding everything in plain sight. The second law of thermodynamics says that when energy changes from one form to another form, or matter moves freely, entropy (disorder) in a closed system increases. Differences in temperature, pressure, and density tend to even out horizontally after a while. And we can obviously see the entropy that has taken place over the last few decades and with rapid succession in the last few. Most of us older folks don't pay attention to the garbage that "They" are putting out as "#trending", and going straight into these kids through their headphones. But, I deal with some of these next generation of kids and it is becoming undeniable that there is a force of deception and confusion sweeping our world.

Anyway, I would like to hear what you think of this stuff? Do you think that they are lying? Or telling the truth? I don't know which one would be worse?

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Great hope's picture
There symbolism is undeniable

There symbolism is undeniable. The question is, why is it there? I see so many parents who have no clue on how to parent anymore. Because the media has become god.

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Sheldon's picture
Love Bob Dylan's music,

Love Bob Dylan's music, always have. This thread is insane delusional nonsense of course, but I for one wouldn't bat an eyelid if his talent was attained by selling his (fictional) soul to a (fictional) devil.

Can I just add that attachment is fucking hilarious, are these people for real?

Great hope's picture
Ya I know, it's very strange

Ya I know, it's very strange that all these celebrities continue to do the same symbolism over and over and over. Can we rule out that they are not showing allegiance to an agenda? Or are they all individual unique original artists that do the same exact things? Making them unoriginal. I mean, what is this?

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Great hope - Or are they all

Great hope - Or are they all individual unique original artists that do the same exact things?

Might as well post a bunch of pictures of them cramming food into their mouths, or taking a dump. Also your claim that those pictures are the same exact thing is clearly false.

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Great hope - The second law of thermodynamics...we can obviously see the entropy that has taken place over the last few decades and with rapid succession in the last few.

If you are going to try to cite the 2nd law to support your ideas; you shouldn't immediately contradict it, as you just did.

Great hope's picture
@Nyarlathotep

@Nyarlathotep

Ya this post isn't about me. You can see what I'm talking about. Is this a real thing, or can we just sweep it under the rug? It's affecting so many of the youth nowadays and I have 11 nieces and nephews. what should I tell them when they ask questions about such things? When they see these patterns and symbols over and over and over? And ask questions of what they mean? They are not blasting celebrities on toilets all over the media magazines and internet. But they are blasting these symbols.

Sheldon's picture
It's not real at all, it's

It's not real at all, it's paranoid delusional nonsense. Stop saying we, I absolutely don't see what you are insisting we all see.

Sheldon's picture
It's not a confidence, people

It's not a confidence, people give hand signs that have meaning all the time, like a wave, like a thumbs up etc. What's hilarious is the level of paranoia theists exhibit over their fictional beliefs.

When I say hilarious, it'd be less hilarious few hundred years ago where they'd have the matches out, and start burning people to death. Religious people are bonkers, what can you do.

David Killens's picture
Everyone takes the same

Everyone takes the same position when they are sitting on a toilet. They are not pledging allegiance to the devil, they are taking a dump.

Grinseed's picture
All these artists mix with

All these artists mix with the same group of professional photographers who cue them all to take up the latest trendy poses. Remember the two finger victory sign made famous by Churchill in the 40's? It became popular in the 60's and every artist then did that pose for the birdie at least once...do you recall the fad of boarding?..having a bucket of iced water dumped on them?...its all faddish.nonsense...stop invoking evil and devils where you fail to understand whats going on.

Great hope's picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon

Did you see Bob Dylan's face when he was talking about "making a bargain with the chief commander of this world and the world we can't see?" Bro, he is not joking. What in the actual f**k is he talking about? He's also one of countless others that say such things. Are they crazy? Are they making it up? Are they lying? Why would they say stuff like this? And with such hollow despair? It's far too creepy for me to bat an eye at. I need a skeptical mind to tell me how it's not possible that these people have not gone through the ranks to gain power, influence, fame, wealth and somehow don't seem too happy about it?

Nyarlathotep's picture
Great hope - Are they crazy?

Great hope - Are they crazy? Are they making it up? Are they lying?

People lie.

Sheldon's picture
No they're not crazy, you are

No they're not crazy, you are. Your fictional beliefs are causing real paranoia. Besides I thought your superstition was predicated on the idea that we all must have free will? Why are you trying to impeach other people's?

For future ref, this crazy pernicious bullshit is why I don't like religions, and think they are not innocuous or harmless delusions.

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@Sheldon

@Sheldon

"Besides I thought your superstition was predicated on the idea that we all must have free will? Why are you trying to impeach other people's?"

I'm not impeaching anything. I'm asking what it is and why are they doing it? It's deeply intriguing. That's why I came here for help. What conclusions can be made about this weird wide spread pattern of "so called original artists" that have the same common denominator? And barage us with the same symbolism? Does not music and media play a significant role in influence?

Sheldon's picture
"I'm asking what it is and

"I'm asking what it is and why are they doing it? It's deeply intriguing. That's why I came here for help. "

Why would you think atheists would share your bizarre religious interpretations of these events?

"What conclusions can be made about this weird wide spread pattern of "so called original artists" that have the same common denominator?"

I see no common denominator, just paranoia reaching wild unevidenced conclusions based on bizarre superstitious beliefs.

"barage us with the same symbolism? Does not music and media play a significant role in influence?"

A few photos of people waving isn't barraging anyone with anything. I don't understand the second question sorry.

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@Sheldon

@Sheldon

Not everyone is like you. It's a shame, I know. "For future reference" A little empathy can go a long way.

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I don't see what that has to

I don't see what that has to do with your claims?

I don't empathise with pernicious superstitions, why would I?

Great hope's picture
Ya, why would you?

Ya, why would you?

Sheldon's picture
I wouldn't as I said, why

I wouldn't as I said, why would you empathise with pernicious superstition?

Also what is it you're suggesting be done here?

Great hope's picture
Because we've been lied to

Because we've been lied to our whole lives. Why would I not look at the possibilities? If a man could live 1000 lifetime's? He would tell you there is still more to learn. "Truth is always stranger than fiction." God exists and that means there is an opposition. The first law of warfare is to know your enemy. Which in this world, I've had many. So I'm using my limited time to gain experience with as much as possible with what I've been given. I know what I want and I'm willing to go to any lengths to get it. It doesn't mean I change anything about me that I don't want to change. It just changes the reason. Perspective is everything, and without empathy, it's just a lonely hilltop.

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@Sheldon

@Sheldon
"Also what is it you're suggesting be done here?"

I don't understand the question? I'm not suggesting anything be done. I'm wondering what these celebrity American idols are doing? It's too much to be a coincidence or a joke. I seriously don't care what other people do. I only want to know how to help the people they are targeting to see through the deception. Some of us have been called to expose evils. And there is nothing more harmful that to go after the most impressional children and put flashing lights in their faces while blasting harmonics in the headphones with a message that is deeper than the artist. Look it up, all of these artists claim to have multiple personalities. And they say spirits come into them. I'm not making this stuff up. This is what they are doing to our youth. And like I've said before I don't care if that's what they want to do. Im not going to participate but I want to at least know what it is. This world is speeding up and there is no scenario where this all ends in perfect harmony.

David Killens's picture
More than one person wrote

More than one person wrote Gregorian chants.

Great hope's picture
@David Killens

@David Killens

You're hilarious lol

David Killens's picture
great Hope, I agree that

great Hope, I agree that music and the media do influence. But you are focusing on just one perspective and missing the big picture. yes, some music does focus on punk and devil-worshipping values, but that is just shock stuff. Kids want bright lights, lots of color,and something that their parents don't like.

You are ignoring all the good that music can bring.

Some of those very "devil worshiping" musicians have done good things. For example, AC DC participated in fund raising concerts, for example Sarstock. And many songs from even rock carry very positive messages.

Aerosmith, the song Dream On

Sing with me, sing for the years
Sing for the laughter, sing for the tears
Sing with me, just for today
Maybe tomorrow, the good Lord will take you away

Great Hope, you are only looking at music from a jaundiced viewpoint

Great hope's picture
@ David killens

@ David killens

Yes I agree, everyone loves music. I even shared one of my favorite songs with you. Music is everywhere. It's inescapable. But, what I'm saying is there is more garbage than good. And with the algorithms of the internet and what makes the most money seems to have more to it that meets the eye and kids with the internet click on whatever is shiny and right in front of them. They have been doing these symbols for decades and it's not a trend. Also they are the only ones doing it. Kids don't go around throwing these symbols up. Because they don't know what they mean. I wanted a good way to break it down in terms that can be easily understood and Algebe gave me quite a solid answer.

All the other stuff about the devil may in fact be true, the more you look into it, you will find it hard to deny with what they are producing today. It's getting harder and harder to find any good music anymore. Because no one can make enough money to continue unless you jump through the hoops of the industry. Humans are so flawed that 37% of the internet traffic is for porn and 60% of content provided is for porn lol. It's hilarious to think, no matter what humans create? The majority will always pervert it. That's why I keep saying. There is no scenario where this all ends well. Btw off subject, but have you seen the massive flocks and swarms of ocean creatures and birds that have been dying by the thousands for years now? Bees and land animals too? Endless crazy stuff. Seriously the entropy of this world is speeding up. I can't believe that some people think this world is going get better lol. The ending is so exciting. I can hardly wait.

David Killens's picture
I mentioned in a previous

Great Hope ...

I mentioned in a previous post, postulating that it may be possible that the difference in our attitudes and perception may be because of religion. Or the lack of it. You do not seem to be happy and can't wait to die (a terrible shame, a waste of a good life) while I intend to wring every second out of this body because life and this world is fantastic and wonderful.

Kids are kids, they explore the boundaries and push the limits. And with teens, they are seeking an identity and doing the traditional rebellion act. Every generation seems like a lost cause, and every generation rebels. When I was a teen I used to pull pranks, one notable one putting on a heavy metal rock LP while my father assumed it was something more to his taste. For the record, that tune never made it to the end.

Teens rebel, they wear T-shirts with 666 on it, they wear crazy hair, and do crazy shit. So what, it isn't that they are going to the dark side, they are just exploring their world.

Great Hope, it is a shame that religion has crushed the life out of you and you can't wait to die. Because since I have just one life to live, I see joy in everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJcnCFGcn8Y

Sheldon's picture
I don't give a fuck if Bob

I don't give a fuck if Bob Dylan signed an affidavit in his own blood, during a full moon, and got it notarised by a witch, stating unequivocally he has sold his soul to the devil. Since the devil is a complete fiction, that no one can demonstrate any objective evidence for why the fuck would I care?

Tin-Man's picture
@Great Hope Re: "Did you

@Great Hope Re: "Did you see Bob Dylan's face when he was talking about "making a bargain with the chief commander of this world and the world we can't see?"

LMAO.... Uhhhh.... For one, he is an entertainer. He is a celebrity. An actor of sorts. He and all the others within his guild make their living off publicity. And the more outrageous and "extreme" something is (especially in today's day and age), the more publicity it gets. And two...

Soooooo.... You are aware, I hope, that Mr. Dylan happened to consume a rather wide variety of "recreational pharmaceuticals" during the course of his life/career. Do you not think that maybe - juuuuuuust maybe - that could have some tiiiiiiiiny little effect on an individuals long-term mental capacity? But, hey, if you prefer to believe there is some sort of super-bad demonic imaginary boogieman involved in all of this, then - by all means - go right ahead. Makes no difference to me.... *shrugging shoulders*... Keep in mind, however, that almost every parent from the dawn of modern music has blamed Satan for corrupting the minds of their children through the music that was popular for the generation of their children. All the while, however, those parents still hold dear to the music they enjoyed as kids, even thought THEIR parents blamed Satan for doing the same to them. Same shit, different day, man. No need to get the panties in a wad about it.

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@Tin-Man:

@Tin-Man:

Bob Dylan's career fascinates me. He's one of two people that I know who've got right to the top in the music business without actually being able to sing. The other one is Mick Jagger. Dylan mumbles and moans, and Jagger snarls and shouts. But there's something compelling about the sounds they make. Perhaps they really are the spawn of Satan. Mick certainly has sympathy for the Devil, while Desolation Row sounds like a vision of hell or a megachurch (same thing really).

Tin-Man's picture
@Algebe

@Algebe

Ironically, "Sympathy For The Devil" is actually about the only Rolling Stones songs i truly like/enjoy. LOL And, yeah, Dylan cannot sing worth a damn. I have heard cats wailing outside that sound better than he does. Still, like you said, he (oddly enough) does have some pretty good music. *chuckle* Does make one wonder, doesn't it? lol

algebe's picture
@Tin-Man:

@Tin-Man:
"Sympathy For The Devil" was what they were playing at that free concert in San Francisco when their Hell's Angels security team (paid in beer!) killed someone in the audience. My favorite Stones songs are Ruby Tuesday, Paint it Black, and Get Off of My Cloud. My favorite Dylan song is Lay Lady Lay, though I can't understand a word of the lyrics. Something about laying across my big ass head I think.

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