Would you like to be provided evidence of evil?
And would it make you believe in the existence of a god?
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Morality is a product of mankind. Evil is behavior that mankind has determined to be contrary to facilitating a better social existence. For example, Homo sapiens are social primates; Killing members of the tribe is obviously not to the benefit of the tribe.
So, no. Evil does not provide even the slightest reason to believe in Satan or a God or Gods.
You don't need to provide examples of evil. The news is full of it.
I mean evil in the sense of hostile spirits.
That seems to be going all the way around the barn to let the cows in. Evil occurs as a function of human behavior not spirits.
@Flatland: RE: " I mean evil in the sense of hostile spirits."
OOGIE BOOGIE WOOGIE BOOGI .... FUCK! NOW I AM GOING TO HAVE NIGHTMARES.
I have a way for you to prove to yourself that is not the case.
Do you feel like trying?
I would like not to be taken responsible though. What do you think?
I cannot answer that until I know what you are proposing.
Right now I have obligations and miles to go before I consider your proposition. In the meantime, be safe.
How kind of you.
I am back for a minute or two. I want to hear your proposition. I assume all risk and release you of all liability.
You don't need to believe anything. Are you ready?
You are proposing evidencing what you call the "devil". let's just jump past the bullshit, and if you believe in this devil, please give your best evidence.
Be warned, some in here know psychology very well, if they choose to participate, you may find yourself unable to offer rational arguments.
You'd have to do some summoning for yourself. Are you interested?
You can let the best psychologists in town accompany you.
@FLATLAND: Ouigi bord in hand... I've got a Chicken a Ram and a Goat, which one can I kill first? I've heard that I should cut off the chickens head and use that for the Ouigi Board's peg? I should kill the ram, skin it, and wear a ram skin cloke with his horns on my head. After that I kill the goat and drink the blood will calling the Holy Ghost a fucking ass. (The only unforgivable sin.) Do you think that would do it? (That's the way we have done it in the past. Can you improve on it? Do you have a first born son we can sacrafice?)
The Debbil got his ass handed to him in Georgia...
*Makes a big bowl of popcorn*
Okay! I am ready!
You didn't even need my instruction. How was it?
Please share your findings with your friends.
OK, let's go.
I followed your instructions as you described in post #11.
"You'd have to do some summoning for yourself. Are you interested?
You can let the best psychologists in town accompany you."
I stared in a mirror and yelled "Uber, Uber, Uber". I did say it the magic number of times (3), but I'm still waiting for my ride.
But when my ride comes, are you going to pay for the extra distance I have to travel to pick up some of my travel companions? Geesh, Old Man is in Australia.
We may need to do this again. I was only here for a minute. I was expecting some instructions. I will say this, while I was gone, I had some very good luck. A guy south of Lexington Kentucky who runs over 100 beef cows bought a bull from me. Really great pedigree. Sired by the great Hudson Pine Farm owned by the deceased David Rockefeller.
It was good! Crunchy buttery goodness.
Now I gotta make more!
@LogicFTW: Popcorn? Aw FUCK! Why didn't I think of that? Does popcorn go well with goat's blood?
Well, this may come as a shock to everyone here, but I never tried goats blood, so I can say if it goes well with popcorn.
I can say if it's anything like wine, then absolutely, yes.
...*bursting into room*... *breathing heavily*.... *sweat dripping*.... Hey! Got here as quick as I could!... *trying to catch breath*... Heard we were gonna summon the Devil!... *wiping sweat from face with forearm*... Have I missed anything yet? I brought some chalk and extra candles... *holding up paper bag*...
How did it work out?
Still waiting for my ride.
See my post above.
Is it numpty week in Lala land?
...I was wearing a cross... I think Jebus stopped him... fuck- gotta start all over
I once knew someone from my old neighborhood who decided to conjure up this so called spirit. I suppose he might still be in jail or in a psychiatric unit after killing his parents with an ax in their sleep because of what he claims the voice told him to do. He claimed he saw the devil appear to him. The story does not go on to say that God appeared to sway him.
First thing I want to say is that evidence of an evil spirit only proves evidence of an evil spirit. In my story above no such evidence was found.
Second thing I want to say is that your request is foolish, insensitive, irresponsible, immature and ignorant, to say the least.
Last thing I want to say is that you are not worthy of the feathers.
Are you new? If so, welcome, please tell us a bit about yourself? As you have mentioned 'evil spirits' I'm presuming you are a theist .
Along with the existence of god(s) I do not believe in in souls, an afterlife, angels, demons(including satan) heaven, hell, the paranormal, psychics, mediums, fortune tellers , faith healer, dragons, mountain trolls or fairies at the bottom of my garden. I disbelieve in these things for one reason; a lack of proof.
The christian perception of satan is one Christians have invented. The horned god is based on the benign god Pan. I consider it highly unlikely that empirical evidence of a devil will ever be found.
For the sake of argument , let's say it was proved. Such proof would not allow the inference of of any other being(s), including a benign god.
Imo the only way to prove the existence of god is specific empirical evidence.
"I have a way for you to prove to yourself that is not the case."
Wot? Cunning attempt at shifting the burden of proof. You are the one making the claim, up to you to prove it, not I.
SO, if you have empirical evidence, kindly show it,. If not, stop wasting my time. You seem to be making a rather lame attempt at theism through the back door, or are trolling.
I was born 1950. You got me by three but I will catch up.
I don't believe in any of the items on your list.
cranky47 stated: "Along with the existence of god(s) I do not believe in in souls, an afterlife, angels, demons(including satan) heaven, hell, the paranormal, psychics, mediums, fortune tellers , faith healer, dragons, mountain trolls or fairies at the bottom of my garden. I disbelieve in these things for one reason; a lack of proof."
However, there are Wood Elves. My 80 acre farm is in a remote area in Kentucky. Inhabited by rednecks and hillbillies. You being from over the ocean, may not know about these inhabitants. They are plain, poor folks who live below the poverty line and unfortunately, many are addicted to prescription drugs and/or alchohol.
On the back of my farm, far removed from the activities of humans, lives a colony of Wood Elves. We have an agreement. I leave them alone and they watch over my cows.
"On the back of my farm, far removed from the activities of humans, lives a colony of Wood Elves. We have an agreement. I leave them alone and they watch over my cows."
"I don't believe in any of the items on your list"
I've stated I don't believe in fairies, and you claim to agree, yet you believe in elves? Pretty sure they are related, like say a fox and a wolf.
"My 80 acre farm is in a remote area in Kentucky. Inhabited by rednecks and hillbillies. You being from over the ocean, may not know about these inhabitants.
They are plain, poor folks who live below the poverty line and unfortunately, many are addicted to prescription drugs and/or alcohol."
Kentucky, which has part of the Appalachians ? Aren't those folks called hillbillies?
I'm also familiar with the terms 'redneck' and 'cracker'. Doesn't the stereotypical redneck male like to hang out at honkytonks, marry a honytonk angel (or his cousin) Also likely to drive a pick up, with a gun rack and confederate flag in the back window? He often has a good sized gut and wears blue jeans , where his arse crack is on permanent display. Donates to televangelist and votes for Donald Trump, who he considers a good ole boy. .
I've also seen absolute poverty (in danger of starving to death) in rural Malaysia while I was based there, the infamous slum 'Tondo' in Manilla and the poverty of the rural Philippines.
Here in OZ, we have "The Deep North" which is Northern Queensland .There you will find 'the ferals'. They live in the rain forests and produce tribes of free range children.
As it turns out, whilst visiting Ireland , I got to talking to quite a few local drunks in the pubs. Many had seen leprechauns. Invariably
those elusive creatures were seen late at night while the narrator was on the way home from the pub.
A suggestion: Never tell anyone in authority about your elves. They might change your medication and/or lock up your liquor.