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chimp3's picture
As a rationale for why there

As a rationale for why there is only one creator. That is what I said.

Harry33Truman's picture
This isn't my reasoning for

This isn't my reasoning for why there is a creator, this is a secondary reasoning, based on the conclusion that the universe was created, and thus expounds on that conclusion.

chimp3's picture
There is no reason to assume

There is no reason to assume the universe came into existence other than by natural means. Physicists have a good understanding down to the first billionth of a second. I would recommend Lawrence Krauss's book "Atom". Fascinating.

algebe's picture
"I finaly hit ground zero"

"I finaly hit ground zero"

Harry Truman hit ground zero twice. Once in Hiroshima and once in Nagasaki. Why did you pick his name as your pseudonym?

Harry33Truman's picture
he integrated the marines,

he integrated the marines, though he was kind of racist and a war monger and a terrible person, but that;'s because he was a Democrat.

mykcob4's picture
@ Harry Truman you said "he

@ Harry Truman you said "he integrated the marines, though he was kind of racist and a war monger and a terrible person, but that;'s because he was a Democrat"
1) Roosevelt integrated the USMC and all the armed forces.
2) Truman was NOT a war monger. He hated war.
3) As far as being a terrible person...that's your uneducated opinion and it's entirely wrong.
4) Members of the Democratic party and Liberals in general, are the very best people that this nation has to offer!

Harry33Truman's picture
"Members of the Democratic

"Members of the Democratic party and Liberals in general, are the very best people that this nation has to offer!"

Is that why they wanted to preserve slavery during the civil war? Perhaps you can explain Roosevelt's Japanese internment camps, or this quote from Harry Truman:
"If we see the Russians are wining, we should back the Germans, if we see the Germans are wining, we should back the Russians, that way we can kill as many of them as possible."

Truman loved war because he was a democrat, who is it that brought us into WW1 that started all this crap? Woodrow Wilson, Democrat. The Cold War, for example, was started by Democrats, and ended by a Republican.

mykcob4's picture
You are SO devoid of real

You are SO devoid of real facts and history it isn't even funny! Have you even visited the Truman Library? I have. BTW REPUKES start wars and lose them. Democrats end them and win them.
WWI started by a Serbian assassin, not Wilson, but ended by Wilson.
WWII Started by Hitler ended and won by Roosevelt and Truman.
Korean War started by Russians ended by Truman.
Vietnam started by Ho Chi Minh on Eisenhower's watched lost by Nixon.
The Cold war started by Stalin and lost by Reagan but won by the pope.
I could go on and on.

Harry33Truman's picture
Wilson got us into WW1 when

Wilson got us into WW1 when we really had no reason to get involved, I never said he started it.
The Cold war was started when an incompetent liberal president somehow let the Russians steal the designs for the Atomic bomb, it was ended when Reagan finally negotiated a peace treaty.
Vietnam was a war we never should have fought, yet our liberal president JFK decided to go ahead and get involved anyway.

mykcob4's picture
Vietnam...Eisenhower first

Vietnam...Eisenhower first sent troop there. So you are dead wrong about that.
The Cold war started when Lennon took power. Actually, Herbert Hoover allowed soviets in the USA and Edgar Hoover ignored them. So you are dead wrong about that as well. Reagan acted on the peace treaty brokered by the pope, but he took credit for it. So you are dead wrong about that.
Wilson didn't get us in WWI. The Germans sank a civilian ship which caused the entire American population to call to join the war.

Harry33Truman's picture
The Cold War as in the Arms

The Cold War as in the Arms race? Nuclear weapons were invented during WW2, so hoover couldn't have done that.

Wilson was supporting the Allies sending them arms, lending them money, and selling them materials. He was in complete violation of our neutrality, and the Germans retaliated. He was also a racist.

Reagan negotiated a Treaty, the pope had nothing to do with it.

mykcob4's picture
@HT Oh you'd like to be right

@HT Oh you'd like to be right....but you're not.
John Paul II was from Poland. He used his contacts to reach the people of the USSR. The masses brought down the USSR. The masses brought Yeltsin to power. The masses spurred by John Paul II backed Yeltsin.
Reagan didn't negotiate shit. He took credit, but he was an actor.
John Paul II's speech “Redemptor Hominis” caused the Soviet block to split apart. Yuri Andropov, then head of the KGB, commenced a study of the implications of a Polish pope, concluding that this papacy would destabilize Poland and undermine Soviet authority in the communist block.

The ONLY "treaty" that Reagan signed with the USSR was S.T.A.R.T. a nuclear missile treaty. There is NO agreement to end the "cold war." So you are wrong about that also!
Damn it's like playing with children sometimes!
As if Reagan negotiated a treaty to end the cold war....how fucking stupid!

Harry33Truman's picture
Nuclear treaty- yes, that's

Nuclear treaty- yes, that's what I was referring to. Assume there was a revolution in the USSR, as long as Russia still had access to a few nukes, they could kick start a nuclear Apocalypse.

mykcob4's picture
How utterly stupid. You

How utterly stupid. You actually think that the START Treaty ended communism and ended the cold war?
The START Treaty was a revision of the SALT II Treaty and nothing more. It slightly changed the numbers of warheads. The fact is the USSR had more missiles than the USA, but the USA missiles had multiple warheads. The START treaty was an adjustment to account for that fact and nothing more. The Russians brought the USA to the negotiating table not the other way around.
Reagan had nothing to do with bringing down the USSR.
BTW, haven't you heard? The "cold war" has never ended. It's still going on! Your your point is moot!

mykcob4's picture
Harry Truman claims to be a

Harry Truman claims to be a Deist. The fact is that Deism was a camouflage, a cover for atheist at the time.
In the 16th and 17th century is was a way to exercise "free thinking" without claiming that you were an atheist. At the time just claiming you were an atheist could render harsh personal consequences and legal action to include death. For example, Thomas Paine was a devout atheist but even he claimed to be a deist while he still lived in England. When one sees the majority of the founding fathers were deist, what they are really seeing is that they were atheist. Thomas Jefferson's Bible is a perfect illustration. He edited his personal bible to remove everything supernatural.

Harry33Truman's picture
What basis does this have?

What basis does this have? Jefferson's bible was a demonstration of his denial of Jesus as the Messiah, it does not mean that he was an atheist. You can read his private letters to and from other founding fathers, they were not atheists.

mykcob4's picture
Bullshit Harry Truman!

Bullshit Harry Truman! Jefferson was famous for being a disbeliever in a god or ANYTHING supernatural.

Harry33Truman's picture
Well I could claim that he

Well I could claim that he was famous for being a Deist, but regardless, I can give you quotes from his leters with George Washington or Ben Franklin that say otherwise. Unless you can give me a quote, something that he wrote or said...

mykcob4's picture
@ HT

@ HT
Jefferson's letter to Carr his son-in-law told Carr to question the existence of God.

"1787 August 10. (Jefferson to Peter Carr). "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear."8"

He says directly " If there be one..." He never in any letter says that there is a god, always "IF" there is a god. His closest associates Washington and Franklin were by all accounts, Atheist. That doesn't mean HE was an Atheist. He never ever declared himself to be anything.

Harry33Truman's picture
Yes, but in 1803 April 21.

Yes, but in 1803 April 21. Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, he said:
"To the corruptions of Christianity I am indeed, opposed; but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself. I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence; and believing he never claimed any other."

1821 February 27. (Jefferson to Timothy Pickering):
"no one sees with greater pleasure than myself the progress of reason in it’s advances towards rational Christianity. when we shall have done away the incomprehensible jargon of the Trinitarian arithmetic, that three are one, and one is three; when we shall have knocked down the artificial scaffolding."

1823 April 11. (Jefferson to John Adams). "The truth is that the greatest enemies to the doctrines of Jesus are those calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them for the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."

Jefferson was raised a Christian, became a Deist latter on, thus him saying that all men were endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights in the Declaration of Independence, later became an Agnostic, then a Christian again, then a skeptical Christian and finally ended as a Deist.

mykcob4's picture
@ HT
Harry33Truman's picture
Read and heed:

Read and heed:
"Although Jefferson believed in a Creator, his concept of it resembled that of the god of deism (the term "Nature's God" used by deists of the time). With his scientific bent, Jefferson sought to organize his thoughts on religion."

mykcob4's picture
The thing is what was that

The thing is what was that creator. Jefferson never defined it as a god. He believed in science and required proof, therefore he never defined a creator. To Jefferson, he calls it nature over and over again.

BTW Jefferson is regarded as the first Democrat.

Harry33Truman's picture
Yes, I don't believe in this

Yes, I don't believe in this creator as a God, like I stated before. A god is a mythical figure who wants all humans to worship him and commit attrocities innhis name.
The creator I believe in is a natural force, which guided the formation of the universe and of life.

Jefferson was a Classical Liberal, and would be considred in Modern days a Libertarian as he believed in limited Government and maximum liberty.

mykcob4's picture
Bullshit, classifying

Bullshit, classifying Jefferson as a libertarian is laughable. Jefferson was a classic liberal and a classic progressive!

Harry33Truman's picture
If Thomas Jefferson was a

If Thomas Jefferson was a progressive liberal, why did he say:
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government." Thomas Jefferson
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Thomas Jefferson

Nyarlathotep's picture
HT - "Jefferson Quote": My

HT - "Jefferson Quote": My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government

fake quote is fake

HT - "Jefferson Quote": The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not

fake quote is fake
As far as the other two go; I see no way to pigeon-hole someone into a conservative/liberal based on those statements; and it seems ridiculous to me to even try such a thing. The straw grasping has gotten pretty bad around here.

Harry33Truman's picture
Honest mistake, it's just

Honest mistake, it's just like Abraham Lincoln once said "don't trust a quote you found on the internet just because there's a picture next to it." Or something like that...

mykcob4's picture
Libertarian doesn't want ANY

Libertarian doesn't want ANY government they want to "privatize" everything!
Liberal progressives want a FAIR government.

Also, your quotes are fakes!

Harry33Truman's picture
There is a difference between

There is a difference between a Libertarian and an Anarchist. Libertarians want to privatize things that should be in private hands, Liberal progressives want a totalitarian government to control our lives.


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