1 Peter 5:11 is titled (The Voice)
“All power belongs to God”
I show verses to show the evidence of the claims rather than claims without the evidence as many preachers do who strictly read from the bible, Leaving all I say open to debate and not hate. :)
What is the reason that everyone uses the name Jesus, God and Christ in vain, “oh my God” in times of high excitement or “Jesus Christ” in times of high stress, anger or frustration for example? If it’s words that they don’t believe in the meaning of that defines God, than what is the source of cause? There are how many words in the English language to use?
How much power is in these words like the above verse says “all power belongs to him” which people are living in these biblical verses they don’t even believe is true.
Exodus 20:7 “You must not use the name of the LORD your God in vain. The LORD will not let you go unpunished if you misuse his name.”
Would it not be misusing the name of God by claims of evidence of no God, causing you to live in the evidence of scripture that God has already written not to do so?
Are people not in a high emotional feeling state of existence when feeling Joy as Christ himself is living in the highest state of all, sharing the verse “made in his likeness” (emotional state of power on the current level of your feelings)
Philippians 2:9 “Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names”
Why is it a high feeling of laughter when making fun of or debating people who believe in a God? What is the inside source of man that this is coming from when the bible says “You are made in the image and likeness of God” who is sharing your very emotional state but in a holy way of knowing himself, So as an atheist would it not be more sensible to ignore everyone and everything that has to do with God if he was a powerless non existent being? since Christian’s simply live in the example of Christ’s proclamations and acts of Worship?
Would it not be proclamation towards God, Rather it is proving him or disproving him, For example if your a atheist who dedicated your life in the teaching of no God, is God who “all power belongs to” still not in the topic of your teachings? Would this not be displaying the power of God through you?
What is the soul purpose of publishing books to disprove God and the Bible? What emotional highness is in people that makes them want to do this to begin with?
Philippians 2:9 “Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honour”
Jude 1:25 “All glory to him who alone is God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord. All glory, majesty, POWER, and authority are his before all time, and in the present, and beyond! Amen.”
Is a computer not programmed to do what it is programmed to do? The electric assemble of technology within causing its functions? How do you explain the source of emotions we feel from our electric running brain causing free will and not being programmed?
Genesis 1:6 “Then God said, “Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground”
How do we know since birth it’s common sense wrong to walk up to a child and punch him/her in the face to where as some insects and animals will eat there baby’s by instinct? A old in age monkey can strike a young monkey which can go noticed but not cared by the others and even if it is, Do they imprison that monkey? At best they cause a instinctive ruckus Among the group. How is all life set up in a working order of survival without going instinct other than from lack of resources? Where’s the source of operation on knowing how to survive coming from? Where’s the emotion of feeling sorrow, regret and shame if we did punch a child?
If a young child punch’s another child the punched child will always feel God’s emotion of sadness, stress and sometimes anger and either punch back or run to the parent crying, the one who threw the punch will have a level of anger or sorrow or regret or all 3, than the parent will confront the child and explain why it was wrong and have them say sorry, Either they will say sorry in anger with a level of sorrow or in complete sorrow and will also cry, both children will than have shared each other’s emotions, Leaving them feeling back to happy which are all the biblical emotions that God has, The main ones which are sorrow, regret, anger and joy.
Genesis 6:6 “The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth and his heart was deeply grieved”
You can’t have regret without the other main emotions first.
Mathew 18:3 “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven”
Mark 10:15 “I tell you the truth, anyone who doesn’t receive the Kingdom of God like a child will never enter it.”
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@ApocalypticHSent: SERIOUSLY? ARE WE GOING TO DO THIS AGAIN? OKAY, I ADMIT, I AM HOME ALONE, I DUMPED MY GIRLFRIEND OF 7 YEARS, IT'S 7:57pm AND I HAVE TIME. TOMORROW IS SATURDAY AND I CAN SLEEP IN LATE. I STILL CAN NOT DRAG MYSELF KICKING AND SCREAMING INTO THAT FUCKING WALL OF TEXT...... OKAY.... TRY AGAIN..... HERE GOES.... HEY TIN! OLD MAN! IF YOU DON'T SEE ME FOR A FEW DAYS, CHECK BEHIND ALL THE LETTERS ABOVE, I MAY HAVE PASSED OUT FROM BOREDOM.
re: "I show verses to show the evidence of the claims." (Verses are not evidence. ) If you think they are evidence.... evidence of what? Someone's ability to tell a story?
re: "If it’s words that they don’t believe in the meaning of that defines God, than what is the source of cause?" (The problem may be that English is not your first language.)
re: The problem really is that you can not use English properly. "How much power is in these words like the above verse says “all power belongs to him” which people are living in these biblical verses they don’t even believe is true."
SURPRISE!!!! THIS IS AN ATHEIST FORUM!!! WE DON'T BELIEVE THEM EITHER! ATHEISTS DO NOT BELIEVE IN GODS.
re: "Exodus 20:7 “You must not use the name of the LORD your God in vain/"
JESUS FUCKING GOD DAMN CHRIST YOU MUST BE GOD DAMN FUCKING RIGHT. BUT I AM NOT USING THE NAME OF MY FUCKING GOD OR DAMN JESUS CHRIST IN VAIN. (WHICH LITERALLY MEANS SWEARING ON THEIR NAMES IN A COURT OF LAW, BUT YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THAT) I AM USING YOUR FUCKING JESUS CHRIST AND GODS NAME IN VAIN.. "YOURS NOT MINE."
re: "Would it not be misusing the name of God by claims of evidence of no God"
THIS IS AN ATHEIST FORUM. ATHEISTS ARE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD OR GODS. THEY ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO ASSERT THAT THERE IS NO GOD... YOU WANT TO GO AND TALK TO A BUNCH OF ANTI-THEISTS.
re: "scripture that God has already written not to do so?" GOD WROTE SCRIPTURE. THEN GOD IS AN IDIOT BECAUSE YOUR SCRIPTURE IS USELESS.
RE: Are people not in a high emotional feeling state of existence when feeling Joy as Christ himself is living... YOU MEAN THAT STATE OF ELATION JUST BEFORE THEY PASS THE COLLECTION PLATE. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT IS THE POINT OF CHURCH MUSIC AND SAD STORIES OF SALVATION? PEOPLE MAKE POOR DECISIONS WHEN THEY ARE EMOTIONAL. GET THEM EMOTIONAL AND IT IS EASIER TO SEPARATE THEM FROM THEIR MONEY.
re: Why is it a high feeling of laughter when making fun of or debating people who believe in a God? SIMPLE - BECAUSE OF THEIR INANE COMMENTS, LIKE THE BULLSHIT YOU WRITE, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ......
re: "What is the inside source of man that this is coming from?" IT'S CALLED LOGIC, REASON AND CRITICAL THINKING. SOMETHING YOU WILL NEVER GET FROM A BIBLE OR FROM SITTING ON YOUR BUTT IN A PEW.
re: “You are made in the image and likeness of God” WOO HOO!! GOOD NEWS FINALLY!!! GOD IS AN ATHEIST! NOT EVEN GOD BELIEVES IN GOD.
re: "What is the soul purpose of publishing books to disprove God and the Bible?" TO WAKE PEOPLE UP FROM THEIR DELUSIONAL STATES. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!!!
re: " How do you explain the source of emotions we feel from our electric running brain causing free will and not being programmed?" ARE YOU TRYING TO SHOW OFF TO THE OTHER CHILDREN? SOURCE OF EMOTIONS IS THE BRAIN. FREE WILL MAY JUST BE WILL WITHOUT MUCH FREEDOM AT ALL. IT'S ACTUALLY UP FOR DEBATE; HOWEVER, FOR ALL INTENT AND PURPOSE WE SIMPLY ACT AS IF WE HAVE THIS THING CALLED FREE WILL. YOU MIGHT WANT TO READ SOMETHING BESIDES THE BIBLE.
re: "A old in age monkey can strike a young monkey which can go noticed but not cared by the others and even if it is, Do they imprison that monkey?" WHAT A FUCKING SPECIEST THING TO SAY. I DON'T COMPLAIN ABOUT HUMANS KILLING BABIES. WHEN YOUR GOD CUTS OPEN THE STOMACHS OF WOMEN AND TOSSES THEIR FETUSES ONTO ROCKS, I NEVER COMPLAIN. WHEN YOUR OLD TESTAMENT PRIESTS PERFORM ABORTIONS, I JUST ASSUME IT IS NATURAL FOR HUMANS. WHEN YOUR GOD COMES DOWN AND KILLS EVERY FIRST BORN SON IN EGYPT I JUST LAUGH AT THE COMEDY BUT YOU IN YOUR IGNORANCE HAVE TO HAVE A GO AT THE MONKEYS..... HEY ..... FUCK YOU!!!!
re: Genesis 6:6 “The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth and his heart was deeply grieved” JUST ONE MORE MISTAKE IN A LONG LINE OF MISTAKES YOUR GOD HAS MADE. IN FACT IF YOU READ THE BIBLE HE GETS IT WRONG OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IF GOD TRIED TO MAKE IT IN SOCIETY TODAY, HE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD DOWN A JOB. HEY! HE COULD COME AND LIVE IN YOUR MOTHER'S BASEMENT WITH YOU! AS FAR AS REGRETS GO..... WELL... WE REGRET CREATING HIM AS WELL.
RE: I tell you the truth, anyone who doesn’t receive the Kingdom of God like a child will never enter it.” MAKES PERFECT SENSE TO ME. ONLY THE MIND OF A CHILD COULD POSSIBLY BELIEVE SUCH INANE DRIVEL. OH! SORRY! NO OFFENSE MEANT. AT LEAST YOU ARE IN AN ATHEIST FORUM TRYING TO SHED THE WEIGHT OF RELIGION FROM YOUR SHOULDERS AND REMOVE THE BLINDERS FROM YOUR EYES. HANG AROUND AND YOU MIGHT LEARN A THING OR TWO.
Hey Apoca
Thanks for another good laugh...serious question:
Why can't god deal with iron chariots? Judges 1:19.
Philippians 4:13 "For I can do everything through Christ, who gives me strength" Judges is old testament when God was demanding in all trust, It was the people who were not able to deal with the iron chariots not God himself, If everyone was victorious every battle they would learn that while having there fear, doubts and complaints, they will be victorious no matter what and abuse Gods power and have no lessons learnt for the future. Jesus Christ had complete trust in God for everything and is now the example of the trust we should have in God which Jesus can help give us through his holy spirit by learning that even if what appears to be a defeat happens in your life, you will overcome and be victorious, for example if you get cancer as a believer, will you complain, doubt and live in fear, Or claim victory, praise, worship, trust and love in God no matter the income? John 14:1 1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe in Me as well. In My Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I am going away to prepare a place for you?" in Many testimonies of the believer saying when they have died which is usually from living in a harmful sin or making an unwise decision such as overdosing, they say when God had told them they are going to be brought back on earth.returned to there body, they do not want to go back because the feeling of Gods presence can not be compared to anything.on earth.
@ Apoca
You are the funniest theist I have met...seriously? This is your answer? A letter by an anonymous scribe to an obscure 1st century Jewish sect which does not mention a thing about Iron Chariots? LOL...
Have you tried "Somewhere's got Talent?" , trust me you would be a hit.
So in answer to my questionwhich was very specific...yopu have no answer...ok...moving on in another thread.
Oh, that is a FAIL for you. You only have two more.
@ApocalypticHSent
Genesis 6:6 “The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth and his heart was deeply grieved”
Which proves this god is no intelligent and powerful entity the theists proclaim. In fact, if you examine these facts, this god is an incompetent blood-thirsty psychotic maniac.
And it becomes even further laughable when you realize the entire christian belief is founded on jesus being sacrificed to atone for god's dumb mistakes.
@ApocalypticHcunt
Another drive by sermon. My patience with this clown is now at an end.
Please take your endless tedious moronic sermons, and pointless biblical quotes, elsewhere, this is debate forum, not a fucking pulpit.
Try a revival tent meeting....you clearly have no interest in debate, just as well as your spiel is beyond moronic.
@ApocalypticHcunt
Human beings, like all living things, evolved slowly over billions of years. This is an objective scientific fact, validated by all the evidence, get fucking over it....
@ApocalypticHSent
"What is the reason that everyone uses the name Jesus, God and Christ in vain, “oh my God” in times of high excitement or “Jesus Christ” in times of high stress, anger or frustration for example? If it’s words that they don’t believe in the meaning of that defines God, than what is the source of cause? There are how many words in the English language to use?"
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"Belief" is the agency required to confuse/conflate any dichotomous dipole such as good/evil. In other words, it takes a "believer" to "believe" evil is good.
"Belief" in any god is dead - if god is all-knowing, this must involve knowing who/what/where/why/when/how and/or if *not* to "believe", which requires the conscience. "Belief" does not require the conscience - one can "believe" and "believe" and "believe" such that Christians "believe" their sins (?) are paid for by the blood of another man. Did not the Canaanites perform human sacrifices as an offering to wipe clean the sins of the tribe?
Thou shalt not bear a false testimony against thy neighbor. Such as... bearing testimony of a crucifixion/resurrection which allegedly occurred 2000 years ago and/or of a 1400-year-dead warlord polygamist as a messenger of god. If an all-knowing god is a living god, surely it would "know" to require a testimony of something living such that can actually be witnessed and "known" as god is, apparently "all-knowing".
The gospels are fictional Greek drama/literature which placed 'Christ' Jesus (as the sun) surrounded by twelve disciples (as the twelve mazzaroth/zodiac) and attempting to describe the recurring seasons/cycles of creation as contained within a solar year. They were known to be read this way by learned gnostics, but once mixed with the Canaanite idol-makers the product was Christianity. This idolatrous model was later adopted by Islam (employing the same "mercy upon mankind" idol) and "belief" in these books/idols has resulted in the death of hundreds of millions.
One can not even join Christianity/Islam without violating one of the ten commandments, and upon joining likely violate more via adopting so-called infallible male idols (graven images) and books without blemish.
Please stop using "belief" to justify evil - it is the agency required for it. It is better to "know" what not to "believe" and why.
A Gnostic Agnostic: "Belief" is the agency" Why are you giving agency to belief? Do you understand the word "agency?"
SOCIAL SCIENCES: In social science, agency is the capacity of individuals to act independently and to make their own free choices.
One's agency is one's independent capability or ability to act on one's will.
PHILOSOPHY: "Agency" refers to the capacity of individuals to act independently and to make their own free choices. Agency is the capacity of an actor to act in a given environment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agency_(psychology)
PSYCHOLOGY: In psychology, agents are goal-directed entities that are able to monitor their environment to select and perform efficient means-ends actions that are available in a given situation to achieve an intended goal.
"Agency may either be classified as unconscious, involuntary behavior, or purposeful, goal directed activity (intentional action). An agent typically has some sort of immediate awareness of their physical activity and the goals that the activity is aimed at realizing. In ‘goal directed action’ an agent implements a kind of direct control or guidance over their own behavior."
HOW IS "BELIEF" AN "AGENT." WTF are you on about?
@ApocalypticHSent: The LORD will not let you go unpunished if you misuse his name.”
Oh god. Not again. Jesus Christ on a bicycle! Up yours god.
There. I've used Jehovah's stupid name in vain. . (Nobody throw stones until I give the command).
@Algebe Re: "(Nobody throw stones until I give the command)"
I've got a bad shoulder. Can I just shoot spitballs instead?
It does not matter how we respond. He is preaching, not debating.
Precisely correct.
@apoc
You have failed to provide objective evidence that your god is real.
The bible is the claim, not the evidence.
RE: A Gnostic Agnostic: "Belief" is the agency" Why are you giving agency to belief? Do you understand the word "agency?"
I do very well - "belief" is an agency. One retains a "belief" in an ongoing state without actually knowing whether or not it is true which requires not the conscience at all - just belief, belief and more of the same belief. The conscience is another agency. The conscience is what is used to 'know' who/what/where/why/when/how and/or if *not* to "believe" someone or something.
In this way "belief" can be said to be lacking the agency of the conscience, which is precisely correct and tends toward dogmatism.
You will confirm this at the bottom for me.
What black is to "belief" (ie. via unconscience)
white is to "knowing" (ie. via conscience).
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RE: SOCIAL SCIENCES: In social science, agency is the capacity of individuals to act independently and to make their own free choices.
One's agency is one's independent capability or ability to act on one's will.
PHILOSOPHY: "Agency" refers to the capacity of individuals to act independently and to make their own free choices. Agency is the capacity of an actor to act in a given environment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agency_(psychology)
PSYCHOLOGY: In psychology, agents are goal-directed entities that are able to monitor their environment to select and perform efficient means-ends actions that are available in a given situation to achieve an intended goal.
"Agency may either be classified as unconscious, involuntary behavior, or purposeful, goal directed activity (intentional action). An agent typically has some sort of immediate awareness of their physical activity and the goals that the activity is aimed at realizing. In ‘goal directed action’ an agent implements a kind of direct control or guidance over their own behavior."
HOW IS "BELIEF" AN "AGENT." WTF are you on about?
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Are you serious? It's right in what you posted:
""Agency may either be classified as unconscious, involuntary behavior, or purposeful, goal directed activity (intentional action)."
Read again:
What black is to "belief" (ie. via unconscience)
white is to "knowing" (ie. via conscience).
"Belief" is an unconscious agency. Scrutinizing "belief" is a conscious agency. Moving from ignorance to knowing requires scrutinizing any/all held "beliefs" such that one can either "evolve" (evolving agency) or "retard" (devolving agency).
Again, it comes back to two trees: "belief" (ie. tree of knowledge of good and evil) and "knowing" (ie. tree of life) wherein the former manifests death (because "believing" to know good and evil and getting it wrong creates an inversion) and the latter is the *real* knowledge of good and evil such that it is *known* and not "believed".
Regarding the OP: people who "believe" in a god (and/or associated figure/idol) are almost certainly eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (using an objective standard for good/evil which is warned against) - hundreds of millions are dead and counting. Stop "believing" to know good and evil - it makes people ignorant. Look at the Muhammadans; they "believe" a polygamous pedophile is the greatest man who ever lived. It takes a "believer" to "believe" that - complete inversion.
Then you do not understand what behavior is. You are asserting dogs and ants have belief. After all they behave. This is just stupid!!
You really are not worth talking to. Trees have knowledge and beliefs as well. You need to stop reading the bathroom wall in the Church.
Provide evidence for your god.
Why would 'God' need to do so? After all, he is omnibenevolent, omnipotent etc.
He is all knowing, so why would he have to raise him to the highest honour?
@MORE IDIOTIC INANE PREACHING, SERIOUSLY? CAN ANYONE DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS?? This is not a debate. It's just presuppositional nonsense being repeated over and over and over. They have had their turn. Isn't it time to say bye bye yet???
I just skimmed the 4-5 lines that was not biblical references for shits and giggles.
I did not make it very far, but it looks like he is trying to say people using common phrases like "god damn it" or omg, or jesus christ is proof for his god idea...
Wow, this guys writings did not disappoint me in the shits and giggles department. But is there anything of substance here? All the regulars already knew 2 seconds into reading this guys first post here that:
There is no substance here, and likely never will be.
@Logic Re: "..but it looks like he is trying to say people using common phrases like "god damn it" or omg, or jesus christ is proof for his god idea..."
..lol... So, by his reasoning then.... *lighbulb blinks on over head*... Hmmmm..... Hey, wait a tic... Let me try something real quick... *clearing throat*...
Harry-fucking-Potter!
Thordammit!
Oh-my-unicorn!
...*looking around expectantly*... Okay, everybody, keep a sharp lookout! Because any minute now Thor and Harry Potter should both come riding in on unicorns!... *reaching for binoculars*... *scanning horizon*... Yep.... Aaaaaany minute now....
@ TM
Your cat rides a unicorn! Cool!
Captain Cat (The honorable Mau) would rather walk than ride Eric....something about dignity...whose I do not know, but if he reads this then I shall be in for a biting...
Do you know, before I saw that fascinating 7 part series of David Attenborough's "Harry Potter and etc etc ", I didn't believe in unicorns or mountain trolls, and a bunch of other things------
I felt really silly, I can tell you-------
Well of course I believe all that ! Makes a lot more sense than the drivel some loon called "a Christian " tried to ram down my throat . He didn't even have a video. He must think I just fell off the turnip truck. Besides, I'm really looking forward to riding a unicorn and playing quidditch
I see our latest resident schizophrenic is performing true to type ...
Wall of text copy pasting of mythological bollocks - check
Made up shit assertions peddled as purported "evidence" - check
Shit analogies presented as purportedly constituting some fantastic, special brand of "wisdom" - check
Thinks he's going to "convert" us all with this excremental bollocks - check
Manifestly possesses less knowledge of how the real world operates, than that possessed by the bacteria in my aquarium gravel - check