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That's the first true thing

That's the first true thing you've said.

ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
I have not said anything

I have not said anything 'true';

..as far as science goes, humans merely observe probabilities rather than truth/absolutes.

algebe's picture
PGJ: I have not said anything

PGJ: I have not said anything 'true';

Does that include this statement?

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ProgrammingGodJordan's picture
@Algebe

@Algebe

Algebe quote:
PGJ: I have not said anything 'true';

Does that include this statement?

Such a silly question.

As far as quantum mechanics prescribes, the universe is fundamentally probabilistic; and thusly no property or thing in the universe is true/absolute, but instead, probabilistic.

A "statement" is yet another quantity in the universe. Don't be shallow-minded.

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@PGJ: "As far as quantum

@PGJ: "As far as quantum mechanics prescribes, the universe is fundamentally probabilistic"

And how does that work for you in the context of human interactions? Quantum mechanics will get you nowhere in the world of human language, logic, and emotions. How many theists have you converted so far?

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ProgrammingGodJordan -

ProgrammingGodJordan - quantum mechanics prescribes, the universe is fundamentally probabilistic; and thusly no property or thing in the universe is true/absolute

For what it is worth, you can still have true (and false) propositions/properties in a probabilistic universe. A simple and obvious example would just be a situation where the probability of a proposition is 100% (or 0%). I do happen to agree with you that we live in an probabilistic world. However, evoking that idea can't protect you from your contradictory bullshit.

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A mistake indeed

A mistake indeed

chimp3's picture
This is from physicist Sean

This is from physicist Sean Carroll :

"The status of the Born Rule depends greatly on one’s preferred formulation of quantum mechanics. When we teach quantum mechanics to undergraduate physics majors, we generally give them a list of postulates that goes something like this:

1. Quantum states are represented by wave functions, which are vectors in a mathematical space called Hilbert space.
2. Wave functions evolve in time according to the Schrödinger equation.
3. The act of measuring a quantum system returns a number, known as the eigenvalue of the quantity being measured.
4.The probability of getting any particular eigenvalue is equal to the square of the amplitude for that eigenvalue.
5. After the measurement is performed, the wave function “collapses” to a new state in which the wave function is localized precisely on the observed eigenvalue (as opposed to being in a superposition of many different possibilities)."

@PGJ : Notice that Carroll is referring to our ability to measure quantum states accurately. Not to the existence of quantum states. You are trying (in your posts here and on other forums) to apply the above rule to human logic, morals, beliefs, etc. That alone is fallacious. To use this law to say that we can not determine reality is silly. Our measurements are subject to doubt but real is real. The universe will continue to be real long after the measurers become extinct.

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That is almost verbatim how I

That is almost verbatim how I was taught it. Only difference was postulate 3 was expanded a bit and split in to 2 postulates.

Believe it or not, all the crazy shit you hear about is a consequence of those 5 (in other words it isn't like physicists just sit around and make up silly stuff, instead they deduce it from those postulates). The real crazy stuff seems to come from postulate 1, but that is just my opinion.

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@Chimp3

@Chimp3

Simply, humans are unable to detect absolutes. (we are NOT OMNISCIENT of any event)

Thusly, the statement belief in X to be true/absolute, is silly, as we know not whether absolutes are possible.

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For what it is worth, you can still have true (and false) propositions/properties in a probabilistic universe. A simple and obvious example would just be a situation where the probability of a proposition is 100% (or 0%). I do happen to agree with you that we live in an probabilistic world. However, evoking that idea can't protect you from your contradictory bullshit.

That degree of truth, is obviously, of probabilistic, rather than absolute nature (as far as science goes)

Theists tend to want to ATTEMPT to invoke absolute degree of truth.

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And yet , regardless of your

And yet , regardless of your imposed constraints people do believe .

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@chimp3

@chimp3

The point is that, be it belief or faith, as far as science goes, "thiests" may merely do so in probabilistic manner.

I have gotten a few "theists" to express that they can't believe that the existence of God with absolute certainty, after a few minutes of talk.

So, persons quickly realize they merely believe in probabilistic manner, rather than absolute manner.

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Again PGJ , That is the

Again PGJ , That is the definition of belief.

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@chimpy3

@chimpy3

Beliefs may have varying degrees.
For eg, belief is a synonym for hope.
Hopes may or may not be fulfilled. (This is of probabilistic nature)

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