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I see it as a large birthmark in the middle of my back. I've never seen my back so I can't argue if you tell me that it is there, but it doesn't affect me in the least so why are you telling me about it?
Define "soul" without using the word soul.
I think "soul" is an abstraction from reality that some people have reified into an actual entity. Approximately it means your mind which is reliant on your brain. It means approximately your psyche - all your cognitive and sensory powers.
But I think your question is, is the soul or mind eternal? And that question may be derived from the unfortunate Christian belief in an eternal soul. The idea is actually not originally Christian. Old Testament era Hebrews did not believe in eternal life. The Greeks had an idea of eternity which was if your thoughts live on in the minds of others after you die. It is possible the Hebrews started thinking about everlasting life after Alexander the Great occupied Hebrew territory. In any case, as is known, by the time Christ appeared, the Hebrews believed in eternal life, but they didn't see it as an eternal soul. They saw life after death as a bodily after life. There isn't a shred of evidence in the Bible they believed in an eternal soul. Even several hundred years later, Christians did not believe in an eternal soul. The earliest creed, apparently the Apostles creed, said nothing about a soul. That's because they didn't believe it.
They did however, believe in the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting.
I'm a Christian myself, but I don't believe in the idea of an eternal soul, or the life everlasting. I believe like the author of Ecclesiastics, we, like the dogs and other animals, die for good. Dead as a door nail. Dust to dust, ashes to ashes. We came from the dust of the earth, and we return to the dust of the earth.
I have to agree too, it is just HeavenGreed™
Apollo, from a christian point of view, what would even be the point of the resurrection of the body if the original inhabitant is not therein?
That last paragraph is the most sensible thing I've seen from a theist on this website so far... I agree absolutely, hen we die thats it, you are dead, and not going to resurface anywhere else, nor are you going to "meet up" with anyone....we've got ONE shot at it... so....... WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT??!!
JESUS IS REAL,I KNOW IM A CHRISTIAN,THE BIBLE IS TRUE,ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REPENT FOR YOUR SINS AND ASK JESUS TO COME AND LIVE INSIDE OF YOU TO BE YOUR LORD AND SAVOIR,AND IF YOU REALLY MEAN IT HE WILL.ASK HIM TO HELP YOUR DISBELIEF,HE WILL DO THAT TO.YOU WILL ONLY DIE IF YOU DON'T ASK JESUS INTO YOUR LIFE,IF YOU DO YOU WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE,JESUS SAID ( I AM THE WAY,THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE) GOD-BLESS YOU REALITY
Imagine a human being. Now, remove everything that is physical, what is left is the soul.
Spoiler: It's nothing.
That right there is the end of the debate. Though I'm sure there are those who won't get the memo.
JESUS IS REAL,WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ATHEIST.REPENT AND THANK YOUR CREATOR FOR YOUR LIFE HERE ON EARTH.GOD CREATED EVERYTHING INCLUDING YOU ATHEIST.IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME TRY THIS,PUT YOUR DISBELIEF'S TO ONE SIDE, AND PRAY THIS PRAYER WITH A OPEN HEART. PRAYING FATHER FORGIVE ME ALL MY SINS,AND HELP MY UNBELIEF I WISH TO KNOW THE TRUTH,IF YOU ARE MY CREATOR AND THE CREATOR OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH,THEN I INVITE YOU JESUS TO LIVE INSIDE ME TO BE MY LORD AND SAVOIR.BY SAYING THIS PRAYER WITH TOTAL CONVICTION,YOU HAVE ETERNAL LIFE BUT IF YOU DON'T YOU HAVE NOTHING ONLY DEATH TO LOOK FORWARD TO.JESUS SAID (I AM THE WAY,THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE) AND I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE BECAUSE LIKE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE TRUTH I AM ALSO A CHRISTIAN AND BECAUSE I READ GODS WORD I KNOW THE TRUTH. GOD BLESS YOU ALL
"I KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE BECAUSE LIKE BILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE TRUTH I AM ALSO A CHRISTIAN AND BECAUSE I READ GODS WORD I KNOW THE TRUTH"
So, you "know this" because others also believe? And because the bible says it's true?
Well, the Quran also says it's true. The napkin in the napkin religion also says it's true ( https://www.facebook.com/TheNapkinReligionIsTheOneTrueReligion ).
That doesn't seem very convincing.
Do you actually have any real reasons to believe?
Do atheist Buddhist who believe in reincarnation believe in a soul? Though what that would be is beyond me.
Travis--Carole is not me. She sounds like be. In fact she sounds more like me-than me. As crazy and incredibly ridiculous I tried to exaggerate the best satire I could muster-- Carole did it better than me but she is serious. I am going to sue Carole for 550 million dollars for impersonating me. She is crazier than I tried to be in satire. So absurd and outrageous is Carole's lament about Jesus that she might have really out did Kenny and is better at satire than me. It could be that I am no longer the king of satire. Carol's comments are so ridiculous that she is goofing on us and she is laughing at our naivety in believing she really believes all that nonsense about Jesus.. I may no longer be the king of satire and humor. I reluctantly give up my throne to Queen Carol. I don't like it she bested me at my own game. God Bless
"she sounds more like me-than me"
Kenny (blasphemy) can at least type without using all caps. She is probably the real deal. A completely indoctrinated believer, totally convinced in something she has no reason to believe in. And from the looks of it, a complete loon.
Lol pragmatic Carol is Kenny, he practically leading to it, when he said he is giving the throne to Carol.
Same as Kenny gave the throne to blasphemy.
Do you think a normal theist would come here and and end all his posts(just 2) with "god bless" like kenny?
Though I have to admit that he played an allegory pretty well.
He is still not admitting he is Kenny and at the same time he is not admitting he is carol in the same post.
I can see through that ironic allegory even though it was not expected from him.
If he tries literature he might have some talent :P
It's quite possible that I'm wrong. "She" went off the charts on the "Kenny" detector. Time will tell.
There is no need for time to tell, I'm 200% sure Carol Is Kenny
He always claims that his satire mimics theist stupidity just perfectly.
Then you wonder why a Carol fits exactly what Kenny idea of a theists is in his lame satire.
He practically admits he created carol just to prove he is right:
"If Carol is a complete loon and I am the opposite of Carol (because my satire makes fun of loons like Carol) then I am a perceptive enlightened genus."
That is the 'beauty' of wackjobs. No matter how over the top you make a parody, you can easily find a totally serious believer who is crazier.
Nyarlathotep.Jeff, and Pragmatic--Carole is so good at being me- Maybe she is me. I think I am who I think I am but I might be Carol and then I couldn't be me. If I am Carol and I am not me than Carol(me), is really crazy. If I am Carol then Carol is me and then Carol can't be crazy because me is a handsome intelligent human being. If Carol is not me I am suing her for 550- million dollars for impersonating me and disparaging my reputation. If Carol is not me and she believes what she says about Jesus then she is really a complete loon(Pragmatic expression). If Carol is a complete loon and I am the opposite of Carol (because my satire makes fun of loons like Carol) then I am a perceptive enlightened genus. I said that all along!!! God Bless
Regardless of your high opinion of yourself Kenny (I have always admired people who pat themselves on the back :), I doubt we will hear from Carol again.
Funny nonsense though...
"WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ATHEIST", and then "GOD CREATED EVERYTHING INCLUDING YOU ATHEIST".
If her god wanted atheists and created atheists, why is "she" so upset with atheists?
Pragmatc- I miss your half a face although your new picture of yourself probably looks more like you. Get rid of the pipe and put on a cowboy hat -you will look better. Are you sure Carol is not me.. I am not sure if I am Carol or not. Maybe I am maybe I am not. I hope Carol comes back as she sounds so much like me I don't have to be me-I could be Carol. God Bless
Jeff--As usual you are an arrogant, narcissist, self centered, silly little boy. It is not only your intellectually weak posts but you over the top I know it all profile. If you are all the "subjects" in your profile you are the smartest almost human being in the Universe. The list of all the subjects you are proficient in -your IQ would be over 200. But the truth is you over compensate or overstate your abilities to hide a deep inferiority. I have empathy for your predicament. "I am 200% sure Carol is Kenny". Are you sure!!! 200% positive. Maybe I am-maybe I am not. I am not sure myself. I am not 200% positive who I am. Is Kenny Carol or Carol Kenny*????? God Bless