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Not even frozen. Time is a component of this space/time. If you do not have time, then you do not have the 3-D space, or anything.
Eternal
Adjective
lasting or existing forever; without end.
You are simply stitching assumptions together one after the other.
Hitchens's razor luckily is epistemological, and not made of steel, this it will never go blunt.
The bin is filling up with your absurd superstitious assumptions though Dan. Why do religious apologists think endless blind repetition lends veracity to their hokum claims?
@ Dan
Please explain this contradiction.
"Eternal outside of time."
To be "eternal" it MUST first be within time. There is no such thing as "outside of time."
rmfr
Strong Athiest I think you mean well l, but your argument is kind of weak. Also you're too hung up on semantics.
You don't really say why, but it's the language theists/deists use to confuse themselves into believing in things. Look at Dan.
Forgive me bit I don't think semantics is his problem. It's unrestrained hubris, and in a thread that has Dan in it that's no mean achievement.
@Sheldon Dan is posting in the fashion, using the language, that I demonstrated in my original post "something from nothing" etc etc. Just as I said. Look at the BS language he's using (it's the same as my BS language which I use BECAUSE theists use it.) Look at William Lane Craig. It's what they say not me. I'm happy with "There is no evidence for God where there should be" as per Victor J Stenger. But theists/deists/the religious refuse to accept this and insist there is evidence or even proof. Once you call them on their BS and show them they're talking BS they insist they're not.
I don't know what to do to be honest. :/ When you say there is no evidence for God and destroy the definition for God theists argue on.
I agree with Sheldon here. Dan has some idea of 'Atheism" in his back pocket that appears to be linked to certain knowledge. ie. 'Us Atheists believe this." I stated earlier that I suspected he was either new to Atheism or just did not understand the term and how it is used by Atheists. IMO he is treating atheism like it is some sort of belief system.
SEMANTICS???? He appears to be hung up on the third grade and coloring books with big words in them.
lol okay maybe I need to move on. What would you suggest? It's just the definition of God is so bogus. It has no evidence for it.
i am a theist because i believe in the 2nd law of thermodynamics which says that the universes energy is winding down There are no limits on god, he could do anything that he chooses. he was not created like human beings are but always existed.As for the universe always exist top physists will state that this is not so.Read bord, valekin on there theory.
Billy Zarcorny asserts the second law of thermodynamics has something to do with the universe.
The second law of thermodynamics applies to a closed system. If black holes were not pumping energy into the system. If particles were not popping in and out of existence in the system. If quantum foam was not a thing, if the universe was not expanding at a silly rate of speed, and if the universe actually had a non permeable boundary you might not sound so out of touch with modern physics. (The second law of thermodynamics says nothing about the universe.)
The observable universe, meaning only the part of the universe that we can see, measure, experience, is an open system, because the "boundary" of our observable universe is not actually a physical "boundary" in any possible meaning of the word, and both matter and energy can freely pass through it. You can not apply the second law of thermodynamics to it. OUR UNIVERSE IS NOT A CLOSED SYSTEM.
Billy Zarcorny asserts.... There are no limits on God. (Great, then he can not exist.)
You seem to know a whole lot about this God thing. Why don't you invite it down here for a chat? Or just admit that you are making inane assertions and can not back them up with facts.
Well how can you explain the trinity then? 3 distinct person in one. You see it is the poverty of our imaginations where we are somehow not able to grasp what looks impossible to be possible.God can do anything that pleases him. He made man kind to have fellowship with himself.How can you explain the creation of man and women then if not by GOD. Or the brain and consciences.Or the farmers seed that he plants the germation of it.
@B.Z.
Re: "Well how can you explain the trinity then?"
Ummmm.... I don't. How can you explain the original Star Wars Trilogy?
Re: "He made man kind to have fellowship with himself."
If that is true, then he must also REALLY LOVE to play hide-n-seek.
Re: "How can you explain the creation of man and women then if not by GOD."
Uhhh... Hmmmm..... Okay, that's a tough one.... *scratching head*.... Hold on a sec... No, no. Don't tell me... *biting bottom lip*... *light bulb flickers on and off above head*... Ah-hah! Got it!.... Santa's elves at the North Pole!.... *deep sigh of relief*.... Phew! You almost stumped me on that one.... *wiping sweat from forehead*...
Edit to add: Whoops! Something I just now noticed after sending this post. You stated, "He made man kind..." Well, from personal experience, I can tell you that is not entirely accurate. I know for a fact I have encountered many men who were definitely NOT kind. Just sayin'......
billy zarcone: "Well how can you explain the trinity then? "
You want the WOOWOO explanation. It's like water -----Wooooooo - Water comes in liquid, gas and solid. Wooooooo . OR - PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE TO GROW THE HELL UP AND HEAR THE ADULT VERSION: There is no Santa Clause. You will not get a lump of coal for being bad. You do not get toys for being good. When you leave those milk and cookies on the table for Santa - it is the evil greedy priest that comes along and eats them up. You give the evil priest enough cookies and he will build another church where he can make even more churches and tell you that you are helping the poor as he gets richer and richer.
YOU NEED TO STOP TAKING DRUGS or at least stop logging in while you are high.
@billy zarcone
"How can you explain the creation of man and women then if not by GOD. Or the brain and consciences.Or the farmers seed that he plants the germation of it."
There is a logical and rational explanation for all you describe, and those explanations do not require a 'god".
You are arguing with the "god of the gaps" fallacy. Read some science books.
Brian Cox has said he believes that the universe has always existed.
Yep. I am the same. I just use a different approach.
rmfr
Ya know, just for shits and giggles, I am thinking about starting a thread titled, "Why Elephants Are Almost Certainly True". Granted, I cannot PROVE elephants are always honest. For all I know, really, they could all just be one big lying pack-o-derms. Still, could be interesting to discuss if elephants are true or not.
I have actually seen elephants lying around muddy rivers and slinging mud at each other. Nasty animals, those elephants. And they never forget, or forgive!
Re: "Why atheism is almost certainly true."
I would like to propose a counter-argument to that statement. I say atheism cannot POSSIBLY be true! No way! No how! Nope, not even a little bit! I mean, think about it..... Honestly, how totally absurd and unnerving is it to think there are actually people who do not believe in any gods walking around out there among us all over the world??? Heavens to Betsy! Just the mere THOUGHT of it is enough to give a poor soul the heebie-jeebies!... *shudder*.... Oh, goodness gracious!.... *fanning face with hand*.... Dear-oh-dear! I simply MUST go lie down now. Done gone and worked myself into a tizzy.... *placing back of hand to forehead*... *dramatically turning and walking away toward bedroom*....
You overlook one factors the world is only about less then 10% atheist. So there are generally very few atheist out there. There are more theist then Atheist.Sorry for the bad news. now i can go lay down. smile smile
And you seem to fail to realize that atheism, including the "Nones", has tripled in the last ten years while theists have dropped by about 20%.
rmfr
Argumentum ad Populum: Sorry to drag your utter ignorance through the mud once again but the number of people who believe in something has no bearing at all on whether that thing is true of not. NONE. People once believed spirits cause diseases; then the germ theory came along. People once believed the world was flat; then telescopes and science came along. Apparently ignorance really is bliss, just keep that vacuous theist smile on your face like all the other vacuous theists out there, we have grown to expect that from you.
Do you think The world was once at the centre of the universe when religious superstition convinced everyone it was? Or were the majority of people wrong?
Funny thing but the number of people who hold a belief tells us nothing on its own about the validity of that belief. This is called a bare appeal to numbers fallacy. Or argumentum ad populum fallacy.
If I were you I'd smile a little less, and try to think a lot more. We've seen some woeful apologetics on here of late, but you are lowering the bar here again.
@ billy zurcorny
"There are more theist then Atheist."
A lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it. Facts are facts even if nobody believes them.
rmfr
And at one time the great majority of people on the planet believed the world was flat.
Appealing to numbers is a failed position.
@Arakish
I almost certainly was aware of this.
I think I have spent too much time debating with theists. They brainwashed me. Santa/God .000001% belief gone.
When theists argue that God exists in "nothing" and creates from "nothing" what is the correct way to respond? I have someone on Twitter arguing just that.
Edit: I think starting with the definition of God and showing why said definition is meaningless is the best place to start.
God lives in an immaterial world for he is an immaterial girl.
Edit: Have you guys debated many theists before? I have on Twitter and elsewhere.
Strong Atheist: "When theists argue that God exists in "nothing" and creates from "nothing" what is the correct way to respond?"
Please demonstrate that nothing exists. When you say "NOTHING" what in the hell are you talking about. We know the universe is something. We know all of space is loaded with particles. We know there is no empty space in this universe. So what the fk are you talking about when you assert there is something called nothing. You have never been beyond this universe and neither has science. Asserting that there is nothing beyond time and space is the exact same thing as asserting there is a God beyond time and space. The nothing of the gaps is no different than the God of the gaps.. YOU DO NOT GET TO ASSERT 'NOTHING' INTO EXISTENCE. YOU DO NOT GET TO ASSERT GODS INTO EXISTENCE.
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