https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0H5JxHlOZM&t=96s
What do reckon to that then? You see we don't really know anything that much because the scope of our scientific knowledge is so very limited. So can we really say with any degree of confidence that things such as God/s, spirits and souls and whatnot cannot exist unless proven otherwise with science? Literally anything could exist out there for all we know, and we don't know, so there you go.
So are we really just rebelling against societal conventions while trying to be trendy and cool and belong to a 'scene' or a club such Goths and Metal Heads and Punks? Are we letting certain kinds of religious people close our minds to the possibilities of 'God, the afterlife and the beyond'? Are we ignorant dumb asses with no critical thinking ability whatsoever? Is there any arguing with the infinite wisdom of the Space Gnome? Or should we just surrender to this profound cosmic wisdom that cannot be argued against and make ourselves into better (i.e Christian I'm guessing) people as a result of accepting this truth?
Just something I thought I'd throw your way, feel free to comment on it if you like. Like he said there's nothing you could argue or disagree with here, it's a watertight rebuttal of atheism as a worldview/philosophy/lack of whatever. BTW I'm playing Devil's advocate before you freak out. Or have I in fact secretly been converted to a full Christian faith because of the facts presented here in this video? Well there's no way to know or prove anything, it's all about your own personal beliefs not scientific demonstrability. You can see how that ties in with...what he was going on about there.
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@Dark One
Awww, duuuude!!! Space Gnome is AWESOME!!! And that squirrel sidekick of his is fucking hilarious! LMAO... I was grinning and laughing through the whole video!
Hey, if anybody needs a good laugh, just watch the video. It is great!
@Dark One
...*still chuckling to self*... Okay, now that I've gotten my laughter under control a bit, I will try to address the vid just a bit more....
So, okay, yes, it is quite obvious we (Mankind in general) have no way of knowing if we know everything there is to know. Matter of fact, we (well, most of us, at least) KNOW we don't know everything there is to know. That is fairly basic and self explanatory. That is also why a handful of highly dedicated people continue to work, study, and experiment in attempts to find the answers to the things we still do not understand. Unlike a vast majority of theists who are content with "goddidit", and therefore never care to lift a finger to try to determine the truth.
With that being said, the Gnome is right in that we do not and cannot know anything for absolute 100% certainty. Sure, a thousand years from now (if the human race survives that much longer) there could very well be tremendous breakthroughs in many areas that "open doors" to possibilities we cannot even remotely imagine right now. Just like the cell phone I am using at this very moment would have been totally unimaginable to our ancestors as little as 200 years ago (or even less). Again, though, that is pretty much common sense and self explanatory. No big revelations there.
Here's the thing, though. Speaking for myself as an atheist, I do not in any way claim to know everything, and I freely admit I could be totally wrong about some of the things I DO know. Nevertheless, that does not change the fact that the mental faculties I rely on to get me through my life each day are the same mental faculties and stockpiles of knowledge that tell me all the teachings about god(s) I have ever encountered point overwhelmingly in the direction of all those gods being created by Man, as opposed to Man having been created by those gods. And the ONLY WAY my mind could ever be persuaded to think otherwise would be if any one of the thousands of gods out there were to somehow personally convince me it is real. Beyond that, I have absolutely no reason(s) to believe in (much LESS worship) any god or gods. It's as simple as that.
Space Gnome was still pretty cool, though. And that damn squirrel totally cracked me up... *chuckle*...
it's the same old appeal to ignorance fallacy we see theists use here day in and day out, it's an attempt to reverse the burden of proof and claim a belief has no more burden of proof than not holding that belief, by lying that the latter is a contrary belief.
Well there you go, there is no rebuttal to the lack of a belief, and atheism is not a worldview or a philosophy. Do theists waste time proving Zeus and Thor don't exist?
Made it to 12 seconds into that youtube video. Life is too short. My main argument is that I do not believe the believers. Nothing else steps up and tries to convince me. I do not rely on science to disprove gods.
Loved the squirrel. The rest was like eating cold porridge on a glacier. Fucking stupid.
If the argument is, that because we don't know everything, a god (or, technically, "God", AKA Jehovah, because we know that's the only god these people are referring to) could reasonably exist, then that would also mean that we really don't know anything about anything, and therefore EVERYTHING can reasonably exist.
In other words, ALL gods, deities, mythological beings, etc are completely possible, so the logical thing to do is believe in literally everything, just in case.
@LostLocke Re: "In other words, ALL gods, deities, mythological beings, etc are completely possible, so the logical thing to do is believe in literally everything, just in case."
BINGO! By golly, I think you got it! That solution is so obvious that I totally missed it! Dammit, man! Let me buy you a drink!... *pushing LostLocke toward the bar*...
Precisely correct, once you set aside all objective criteria of epistemology, then literally any and all claims carry the same credence. Theists never seem to grasp that arguing against atheism gets you no closer to Jesus, Yahweh or Allah, than it does to Zeus, Apollo, or the Aztec deity of gluttony.
Of course when they all then claim to have evidence for their own deity, in which case why argue against atheism, just demonstrate the evidence and watch as the entire world converts...we've all seen the results of requesting evidence from theists enough times I hope to know it's not more objective or compelling than people who claim to have been abducted by aliens to the planet Fafnu 12, to an intergalactic meeting on global warming. Where the population of purple unicorns gave them a plan roughly in line with the current scientific consensus.
@Sheldon
May I remind you that Tin Man is the resident comic here?
Captain Cat nearly coughed up a hairball at this post of yours, unfortunately I did.....
Lol mate, thankyou.
Oh, the Forum Union of Comical Kinder Association will be contacting you for overdue fees....
You cannot be dumb and intelligent at the same time. So, simply, these people will never admit that they are dumb, not intelligent as they think they are. What makes them be like that? Their intellectual arrogance. They do not look for the Truth. They start with those atheist beliefs in their minds and hold fast to them, closing their minds and hearts to anything else. They go to university where they get indoctrinated by people like them, with a lot more data to dish out, and they like what they hear. They grind their way through all the books and lectures. It makes them feel they have a good case. They get a degree, which to them means that the establishment has decided that they are clever. They do not apply the same attitude to religion, they just pick what they find suitable for their purposes.
It's like saying: I found 4 bad apples in my kitchen, I will never eat apples again. hahaha. They just reject religion a priori and sure enough in the world of religion and religious people, you can find evidence enough of things that go astray. Only they refuse to look at all the things that go astray in science. They need to have some kind of purpose in life, no matter what. They hold to their beliefs like someone who cannot swim holds fast to a wooden trunk to avoid drowning. It's just pathetic.
@Fergie Re: "You cannot be dumb and intelligent at the same time."
Au contraire, my good man! I do beg to differ! I, for one, can be intelligent AND incredibly dumb all at the same time. Matter of fact, I have almost made it into an art form. Just ask my wife.
@ Tin Man
Yep...my darling one informs me that I can be intelligent and dumb in the same moment on a semi daily basis....
@ferguson
Look up Dunning Kruger. It fits you just fine.
fegruson "You cannot be dumb and intelligent at the same time."
Priceless, and there is no need to read on to know which category the clown who came up with that gem falls into. One last belly laugh on his way out.
ferguson1951 uttered this: "They go to university where they get indoctrinated by people like them, with a lot more data to dish out, and they like what they hear. They grind their way through all the books and lectures. It makes them feel they have a good case. They get a degree, which to them means that the establishment has decided that they are clever. "
I think Fergie is just jealous of those of us who have university and college degrees. Deep inside he wishes he could be acknowledged as clever, but he never made it so far. Whether his non-performance in the field of academics is due to just bad luck or lack of intellectual capacity we can define as being up for debate.
@ Fergie
Apart from the fact that you didn't even understand what the content of the video was about.....
Hmm, I don't think the state of "not drowning" is exactly pathetic. But hey...compared to your usual drivel it was at least an comprehensible sentiment.
You are the second theist in as many months to claim to "look for truth" yet both of you confront us with arrogance, lies, hypocrisy, and all the other horrendous baggage that your ilk cart around like a pus filled carbuncle.
You would not recognise 'truth', either of you if it drove over you in a Mack Truck....and backed up to make sure.
The atheist has already determined that their is no supernatural realm and any evidence you present will always be labeled as unsatisfactory or inconclusive because it doesn’t fit their definition of evidence.
The atheist claims to be a scientist but doesn’t throughly examine his/her beliefs. The atheist will say that logic/reasoning is how they determine what is true despite there being any way to scientifically test logic/reason as the best or only way to determine truth.
The atheist is absurd. One atheist was unable to reconcile that human consciousness exists apart from the human body in face of clear evidence of it being true, as a result, the atheist denied the existence of human consciousness. I believe his name was Daniel Dennett.
Another atheist once said if there is a world that exists beyond nature it’s probably just more nature.
One atheist was explaining how something can come from nothing while attributing the properties of something to complete nothingness.
Atheist deny the existence of God, yet they believe in morality,justice, and love which are Illusions that can’t be scientifically tested. If someone tells you that they love you, you can’t test their love in a lab. You have to take their word for it and place your faith in that person.
Which atheist have no problem doing but they mock believers for having faith in God even though they place their faith in things to.
You can’t be an atheist without living in constant contradiction.
Well that is just false.
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Could you tell us about this "clear evidence"?
@Pistos Re: "You can’t be an atheist without living in constant contradiction."
Whoa-whoa-whoa...! Slow your roll there, Mr. Pistos, and try to keep up with what I'm about to say. That is absolutely NOT true unless it is. While I can speak only for myself, I assure you everybody else would agree to disagree with that subtly obvious complimentary insult. After all, it is absurdly logical to not believe we believe in that which we do not believe, because even if we do only believe we do not believe, we would still not believe it. All things not considered, I would not say that I always do not contradict people other than myself, unless they do not agree to disagree with that which I am contradicting. That is just a complex matter of simple uncommon courtesy. Therefore, as you can plainly not see, your benign attempt at malignancy is a loooooong way short of your intended goalpost. As such, it is seriously laughable.
And with that, I shall leave you alone in the crowd with a little ditty of grand proportions that brought me much agonising pleasure as a grownup child.
Early one day in the middle of the night
Two friendly foes came out to fight.
Back to back they faced each other.
Drew their swords and shot each other.
A deaf policeman heard the noise
And came to arrest the two dead boys.
If you don't believe this story is true
Just ask the blind man
He saw it too.
An atheist that doubts the existence of God but believes in justice, love, and good/bad is living with a contradiction. You can’t prove any of the aforementioned exist, you can only believe and they’re only valid if God exists. If you doubt God’s existence based on lack of evidence then you must doubt the existence of love,justice,and morality because there’s a lack of evidence for them. A true atheist must reject them all lest he/she contradicts him/herself.
Crap. I've just explained why your assertions are crap. That's because, wait for it, we have observational data telling us that these concepts are in operation. Or were you too fucking stupid to work this out the first time I told you?
I asked for you to share the data. I’d like to see.
@Pistos Re: "An atheist that doubts the existence of God but believes in justice, love, and good/bad is living with a contradiction."
Awwww.... *blushing*.... That's so sweet of you. Thank you for your reply.
Since my last post before this one but after others, I had a premonition about something that happened to me as a kid. Sadly, though, I am really happy I cannot remember what I foresaw would happen to myself way back then. But then it occurred to me as the thought totally slipped my mind that I should let you in on a very well-known secret. But you must first take a second to make an uncommitted promise to keep this between you and me and everybody on this site.
You see, many, many years ago very recently it dawned on me one evening that I could have never predicted your arrival here with us. And I guess I was certain I knew I could not know you would be making a remark about contradictions. So deceptively obvious, is it not? Anyway, be that as it may not, have you ever not considered the fictional fact that life is only an immediate prolonged death? Fascinatingly blasé, for sure. But overwhelmingly imperceptive if you don’t think about it. Because it is only a matter of time before time runs out when we have too much time on our hands. And EVERYBODY knows (except for those who don’t) how time stands still as it flashes by in the blink of an eye.
Therefore, in the lack of interest of delaying any further, I would like to muddy the waters to clarify with concise ambiguity almost exactly what I think I definitely mean, for it is of major trivial importance that I tell you the secret. “Why,” you may not ask? Well, the answer is simply complicated. In your post I saw a brilliant flash of dullness, and your display of ignorant knowledge was an absolutely questionable sign of ingenious stupidity. And at that moment I just KNEW with totally reserved conviction that YOU have the myopic panoramic insight to partially see the full view in the grand scheme of things. And that is when I planned to improvise in making a full half-hearted effort to not open your eyes to non-reality. So sit your ass down and take this standing up like a juvenile adult.
So, with as little further delay as possible, here is the popular secret you may not have been waiting to hear: “Once you make the second final decision to start procrastinating, DO NOT DELAY. Start procrastinating IMMEDIATELY. Otherwise, you will keep putting it off over and over again until one day you will no longer have the time or opportunity to procrastinate anymore.” There you go. Try not to remember it. It’s like a deep hole in a shallow pond. Before I go, though, here is one more little piece of heavy advice to lighten your load: “If you move forward blindly in reverse with your eyes wide open, you will discover that you have overlooked knowledge you never knew, and it will be temporarily gone forever.”
God bless you, Pistos.
@ TM
Bwaahahahahah...back to your very very best ol' clanker....Captain Cat and the new arrival Scruffy the Weiro all pissed ourselves (well, me as they were on my lap andshoulder respectively at the time) I had to read it to them both; CC can read but he hates the forums , after all as a cat, he KNOWS he is god...so all this arguing is just stupid human stuff...
Anyhoo, ten thousand laughs and a million snorks, guffaws and giggles...thanks my friend for that one....
Some talk of Shakespeare....we will all, one day, boast we were among the first to read Tinman, here on AR. Grandchildren will be in thrall.
Right!
Thank you. You should open up for Letterman.
I expected a “clever” response in light of any actual refutation.
Have a nice day!
@Pistos Re: "I expected a “clever” response in light of any actual refutation."
It is glaringly vague you are not obviously unaware that refuting that which agrees with a coinciding contradiction is an exercise in productive futility. To put it differently in the exact same way, it would be insanely wise to not refrain from direct evasiveness when wrestling visciously demure jellyfish in dehydrated water.
But fear not in your non-attempt to placate your unimaginative thirst for complacency, for all is not lost nor found. Because it is with faulty perfection we stumble across the placid surface of the wind-churned waters that is life. And it has not yet been arbitrarily concluded for certain that we all will fall up and away from that common rarity of a scorchingly tepid death after life.
@Pistos
Oh, and one last thing before I proceed further...
It is with insignificant importance you keep in the back of your erased memories that the history of the future is often seldomly written by past winners who declare their triumphant losses. Try not to let that thought keep you awake out of bed during the day.
Yup. It's as clear and transparent as ink. If you don't understand it, it's your fault only, except if it's not your fault, you will be blamed for not understanding the obvious, even if it's not obvious that you should understand what you cannot or will not or refuse to understand, in which case you should be ashamed and should repent by rereading the obvious – which of course is not obvious to you, but should be – until you understand the hidden obviousness of the disguised message.
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