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I’m sorry where did I make a mistake in my spelling? Stop trying to avoid the questions I asked you. “There are no great apologetics. If there were great apologetics”. Notice you used the wrong form of the word here, but no big deal I’m not gonna “pick” on you cause I Clearly understood your point. And the reason for so many denominations isnt actually a problem as atheists would like to always point out. As well aware of it I actually study Theology/Philosophy and do always research and the opposing side to see were they are coming from so I’m always up to date in the most recent atheist news. Atheists not so much, they like to keep in their own bubble and probably don’t even know what their own atheists say or think cause they don’t do much research.
I am starting to think this guy is trolling for responses...
@Logic Re: V.D. troll
That is EXACTLY what he is doing.
...and doing it in very poor English. I suspect some European nation.
@V.D. Re: "...they like to keep in their own bubble and probably don’t even know what their own atheists say or think..."
Hmmm... Uh, last time I checked, I don't own any atheists. Nor, unlike your bible, do I condone owning another human being as property. Nevertheless, what another atheist may say or think on a particular subject is entirely his/her own business. Has no bearing on what I may think/believe about that same subject. Just sayin'...
...*addressing forum*... By the way, anybody else out there have their own personal atheist?
Where does it talk about owning a human being as property? Also context counts and why would it be morally wrong if there’s is no objective right and wrong and is all “subjective”.
@Vastly Dim: Please share.... In What Context is owning another human being as property that you can pass on to your kids, moral?
Exodus 21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Now these are the judgments which thou shalt set before them.
2 If thou buy an HEBREW SERVANT SIX YEARS *NOT A SLAVE* he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.
4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's (THEY SHALL BE SLAVES), and he shall go out by himself.
5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: (I WILL BE A SLAVE TOO)
6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. (FOR EVER: HE IS NOW A SLAVE)
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do. (SHE WILL BE A SLAVE FOREVER, unless he marries her or his son decides to marry her. )
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.
Tell me the verses are not from God and we can simply toss the bible in the trash.
@Tin-Man
I don't own any atheist eithir, for good reason too! Most atheist I know are highly skeptical and would never allow themselves to be a slave to anyone for any reason.
However! If:
I were to for some cruel reason want to own someone, I would own a devout theist, those folks already accept wildly preposterous ideas like: believing in a god that says "it is okay to own slaves"
If the unevidenced god idea tells them, (through certain rich and powerful people,) that slavery is okay, then these folks probably would much more easily controlled themselves.
@Vasily Dimitrivich the reason for so many denominations isnt actually a problem as atheists would like to always point out.
Tell that to the Irish or the Cathars. Christians have been killing each over over obscure differences in doctrine for centuries.
In that case champ, you might want to flip open a dictionary the next time you're researching, that way you may grasp the fact that atheism is not an opposing side to theism, it is simply the lack of it.
The term you're looking for is anti theist, not atheist.
Since you claim to study theology perhaps you'd share your erudition with me, as an atheist with a mediocre intellect, and demonstrate some objective evidence for any deity or deities?
I'm all agog with anticipation, as the theists who usually come here avoid such brash hubris.
@ Vasily Dimitrivich
"Instead of finding one person to bash on how about you look into how many great theologians and apologetics content there is out there and not trying to find one thing."
Why should I give a shit what they spout?
Did I once quote the Bible Yet? No. Who wrote the Bible? Man did. Who was it inspired by? God. Explain to me then the Dead see scrolls or the 250 prophecies that Jesus Fufilled, or the book of Daniel that propchecies about the Kingdom that would be split into 4 then 2 which was Alexander the Great a 200 year old prophecy, or the Book of Isiah written in the 700 BC times which talked about Jesus, 700 years prior, or the prophecy of creating Israel. The Gospels eyewitness testimonies that don’t have all the same accurate details which proves it wasn’t made up also cause they died for it, and everyone knows a liar would never die for a lie especially when they achieved nothing in obtained money,power, or sex.
@Vasily Dimitrivich: Who was it inspired by? God. Please prove that God inspired a book. If God inspired it, why was it voted on and put together by men. Why are 7 of Paul's epistles not written by him? Why does Mark have 3 endings. Why are there 2 creation stories. Why wasn't the extended story of Adam and Eve used instead of the version we got. Why is the Gospel of Thomas, Mary, or Judas not included in the cannon? Why are there 3 versions of the 10 commandments. Why is your god such a FUCKTARD?
Hey why are you getting so mad? Swearing isn’t very necessary in a civil discussion but I guess atheists don’t have a standard to go by. Yes you brought up the Council of Nicaea that did happen around 325 AD and actually they didn’t come right together to put the canon together like most people have been informed by, they came together for the first time in Christian history due to the persecution of Christians, they did discuss what doctrines be established and the current state of the church, and which 7 epistles are you talking about? As far as we know we know who wrote all the books of the Bible besides Hebrews, and which 2 creation stories are you talking about about? The Gospel of Thomas and Judas were not put into the cannon due to the fact since they both were written in the late 200 AD and were inaccurate in there accounts. As far as 3 different versions of the 10 commandments, that is probably just an misunderstanding of it on your side.
@V.D. (Yep. DEFINITELY appropriate.)
Hey, Boy Wonder, I really hope you realize how pathetic and ridiculous it makes you look to keep giving yourself an "Agree" on your own posts.... *chuckle*... Troll much?
Doesn’t Validate your argument or anything so far.
@V.D. Re: "Doesn’t Validate your argument or anything so far."
Argument?.... *puzzled look*... WHAT argument? You have YET to give anything for which to argue... *shaking head in bewilderment*... Besides, a wise man once said: "An intelligent person should avoid arguing with an idiot. For after a few brief moments, it will appear to an observer that both are idiots." (Paraphrased a bit, but you get the idea... Well, maybe you do... *shrugging shoulders*...)
In order for the universe to exist, it needs a beginning, everyone here can agree right? Well in order for it to exist something that is spaceless, timeless, immaterial, moral, and personal had to create it. The uncaused caused, the Logos, the unmoved mover himself created the universe.
At least he finally stopped agreeing to his own post...
Hey... improvement. Now lets see if he stops being dishonest in a simple debate... we shall see?
Edit:
Also 1000 agrees with the quote,
I like your particular paraphrase.
@Vasily Dimitrivich
In order for the Universe to exist, it needs a beginning... No it doesn't follow, the Cosmos may be eternal and there are religions where it is. What is the Universe that you keep talking? Just the observable part that, you may have understood, we can see?
The cosmological model that we use goes back to a singularity, where space-time ( the kind we are used) to doesn't even exist.
Even if something and I say something is the cause of our Universe, why would it be spaceless, timeless and immaterial? Black and white fallacy. Do you even know what these terms means? Care to explain your superior knowledge and understanding with me?
...moral and personal...Wait!!! You are currently postulating an absolutely alien being and then you are adding to it properties that are very human??? You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Please refrain to using Cosmology, Physics or any science here since you clearly don't understand any of it.
Edit
An also, don't re post the same exact argument,since you mentioned Hitler... Did you know he said if you keep repeating something enough it will become true?
You mean Zeus? Or are you simply going to tack one more unevidenced assumption on the end of that list of unevidenced assumptions?
Relax, we don't need an answer, as your espousing the same vapid rhetoric we've seen before, every time a theist breezes through here with their hubris dialled up to maximum.
RE: Swearing isn’t very necessary in a civil discussion but I guess atheists don’t have a standard to go by.
That's it, Instead of addressing the issue, get offended and make a move to the fucking moral high ground. FUCK. It's an English word with four letters and nothing more. The fact that you get your panties in a wad over it says more about you than me.
RE: Yes you brought up the Council of Nicaea that did happen around 325 AD
Who brought up the council of Nicea? No one has talked about the Nicean Creed/ WTF are you on about now? Do you know what you are talking about?
RE: "they came together for the first time in Christian history due to the persecution of Christians, "
Where in the FUCK did you get this STUPID idea?
"First Council of Nicaea, (325), the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, meeting in ancient Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey). It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being. Pope Sylvester I did not attend the council but was represented by legates."
https://www.britannica.com/event/First-Council-of-Nicaea-325
RE: As far as we know we know who wrote all the books of the Bible besides Hebrews, and which 2 creation stories are you talking about about?
HOW IGNORANT ARE YOU? Read the forward to the gospels in any bible. It will clearly tell you. "THE AUTHORS OF THE GOSPELS ARE ANONYMOUS" We have no idea at all who wrote most of the bible.
Moses did not exist and did not write the first 5 books. Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy (Authors are unknown.)
"Gospels: The four Gospels in the King James Bible — Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John — tell the story of Jesus’ life and death (and what came after that). These books are named after Jesus’ apostles, although these books’ actual authors may have just been using those names for street credibility"
There are currently five Pauline Epistles which are known frauds: First and Second Timothy, Hebrews, Ephesians and Titus. These texts are known as pseudepigraphical- falsely claimed (assigned) authorship.
https://discoveringancienthistory.wordpress.com/2017/06/22/the-pauline-e...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDfYA21lDic&t=110s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhM5lbVBgkk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IPAKsGbqcg
@Vasily Dimitrivich
"everyone knows a liar would never die for a lie especially when they achieved nothing in obtained money,power, or sex."
Tell that to the 19 terrorists of 911.
Strength of conviction does not make anything true.
In order for the universe to exist, it needs a beginning, everyone here can agree right? Well in order for it to exist something that is spaceless, timeless, immaterial, moral, and personal had to create it. The uncaused caused, the Logos, the unmoved mover himself created the universe.
@Vasily Dimitrivich
"In order for the universe to exist, it needs a beginning, everyone here can agree right?"
I do not agree. Prove that the universe had a completely fresh start. I hold to the muliverse proposition where there is a larger cosmos that has (and will) exist forever. No god required.
@Vasily Dimitrivich: "It needs a beginning, everyone here can agree right?"
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA... You can not seriously be using the cosmological apologetic. You do understand that you can not assert everything has a beginning and then "Special Plead" a god without a beginning.
Even if the universe has a beginning, whatever that means, you do not get to insert your God as a cause.
Why in the world would you attribute the characteristics of space-less, timeless, immaterial, moral or personal to your creator god thing. If it is space-less, it is not there. All things that exist, exist in space or are manifestations of things that exist in space. Anything that is timeless, existing for no time, is obviously non-existent. Everything that exists, exists within a framework of time. Thoughts occur in time, movement occurs in time. For the god thing to do anything at all, it must exist in time. Immaterial? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ,,,, So you are professing to know that which is unknowable? You put your god beyond time and space and then make him invisible while asserting you can know something about him.. REALLY! When was the last time you visited anyplace beyond time and space and saw a moral or personal being.
Finally; you can not get to assert "creation" without evidence of the creation. All you have posed is one big God of the Gaps scenario. If you assert the universe is created, you must rule out all natural causes. Then you must rule out all other gods/ Finally you must provide evidence for the existence of your version of the god thing. Good luck with that, remember he is non-corporal, invisible, and beyond time and space.
It's amazing how being a Theist makes people talk like idiots. How does a person utter such complete nonsense with a straight face? Utter, Utter, Bullocks! (A phrase that commonly occurs around here a lot.)
Simple question also: If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?
@V.D. Re: "Simple question also: If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?"
Simple answer: No.
@Vasily Dimitrivich
"Simple question also: If Christianity were true, would you become a Christian?"
I wouldn't either.
Hey, it doesn't take a smart brain to know who disagreed with my comment.
Why are you here?
So many awesome replies that I do not know which I want to reply to. So I am posting it as a new comment, as I don't know who I want to reply to first. Good points more than one of you made here with pointing out that many bible thumpers say the proof is in the bible. Because a book says so it must be true. Many books claim their separate gods are real as well, but that does not make god real.
I wont ever live my life according to a book anymore as I live my life as I please. I treat all others the way I want to be treated. I do so for no other reason then that I feel it is in most peoples best interest to be treated kind, not mean.
Not saying I don't ever treat anyone mean, only those who are not nice to me.
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