How do the atheists, anti-theists and scientists explain the miracle of zamzam water? The main thing I am looking for is for someone to answer 1) where does the water come from? 2) why hasn't the water ever run out since it started 1000s of years ago? The earliest date I have been able to find on when the zamzam water started flowing is 2000bc. Whether it's 100% accurate or not, I do not know but, we know it's a VERY LONG TIME.
Thanks to all in advance
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I'm no geologist, but extracting water from the ground table ain't magic.
If you ain't a geologist like I am, then how do you it does not require magic? ;-P
No it does not require magic. You just have to dig/drill deep enough. Where I used to live in North Carolina with me family, I only had to dig/drill an average of 4 meters down since the highest point on my land was only 6.6 meters above sea level. Of course, that made hurricane flooding a problem, but we weathered such about 30 times in the 18 years we lived there. The only true problem I had was where all my greenhouses and equipment for my landscape architect business always got flooded. But the insurance covered that.
On the lowest point of my land, I only had to dig a pit about 3 meters down to get it to refill as a pond. Seeding it with catfish and I was able to teach her how to make Cajun/Creole Style Blackened Catfish. Another one mine own favorite dishes. Mmm...
BTW: No link to back up your claim?
What the hell is Zam Zam water?????
(Now to go see what others have posted.)
Interestingly, it has been shown to contain high levels of arsenic.
Edited to add: Yay, gawd! Thanks for the miracle!
Damn Cyber, I did not really see the link until after mine. Saw the link, just did not read it since I wanted to read other posts before coming to see it.
Guess I am still a moron.
You’re certainly far from being a moron, Arakish. You’re actually the smartest tree I’ve ever known
Leave it to an atheist to completely jump around and do the "atheist dance" and avoid the only 2 questions asked. I'd be lying if I said I was surprised, though. Pretty much expected someone to eventually copy and paste the very first link that showed up on google.
Well, the music had such a great beat I couldn’t help but get up and dance.
I response to your question ...
1) It taps groundwater from the wadi alluvium and some from the bedrock.
2) It taps groundwater from the wadi alluvium and some from the bedrock.
By the way, Niagara Falls is over 9,000 years old. My natural wonder trumps yours in size and beauty.
There is nothing mystical or magic about zamzam water. It's source is easily defined, and although it is incredibly difficult to perform a valid scientific test on it's qualities ....
"Thirty Zamzam water samples were collected by three distinct methods; from 10 pilgrims living in different locations in Germany in 2007, 10 samples from shops in Frankfurt and Berlin in 2011, and 10 samples directly from Makkah in 2011. The samples were analyzed 2 weeks after collection for more than 30 indicators: pH, EC, Eh, Cl, F, Br, NO(3), PO(4), SO(4), HCO(3), Ag, Al, As, Ba, Ca, Cd, Co, Cr, Cu, Fe, K, Mg, Mn, Na, Ni, Pb, Sr, and Zn beside others. Four major instruments were used; the IC, the ICPOES, the ICPMS and the HGAAS. The quality of the water did not change for 2 years and there was an excellent agreement among the results of the 30 water samples as well as between the results of the 2 years for the same samples analyzed in 2007 and 2008. The water is alkaline (average pH is 8) with an average Li concentration of 15 μg L(-1). The average concentrations of As and NO(3) showed values three times higher than the WHO standards (27 μg L(-1) and 150 mg L(-1), respectively). The averages of Ca and K were 95 and 50 mg L(-1), respectively. Very urgent steps are required to scientifically screen for the elevated parameters As, NO(3), Ca, and K in all Zamzam water sources and locations with full transparency. The resultant information should be made available to the public, and the relationship between pollution and human health should be addressed. The alkalinity of Zamzam water and the presence of trace amounts of As and Li may cause the healing power. However, a scientific strategy should be developed and adopted to enable further research and studies on toxicology and treatment technologies could be applied if needed."
It is polluted water that carries dangerous levels of toxic substances.
What's miraculous about finding water on a planet whose surface is 2/3 rds water? I live on the coast, there is a lot of fucking water here, should I start praising the lord?
So no miracle then, and no evidence whatsoever, just an appeal to ignorance fallacy, again.
Question still stands. What the hell is Zamzam water??? And what is suppose to be the big whoop-tee-doo "miracle" thing about it?
Hey buddy, how you been? Google not working? Lol. Just kidding
To answer your question in as much of a secular fashion as I can. It's a "well"of never ending water that's been "pumping" out water 24/7 for a very long time. Given its location and how much water it pumps and for how long it's been pumping, I am hoping someone can answer the questions in the OP
@Searching for truth
"To answer your question in as much of a secular fashion as I can. It's a "well"of never ending water that's been "pumping" out water 24/7 for a very long time. Given its location and how much water it pumps and for how long it's been pumping, I am hoping someone can answer the questions in the OP"
It does not pump water out. The well itself is 90 meters below ground level. The process of how water flows in alluvial systems describes how the water finds it's way to this well. Heck, if I dug down 90 meters where I am presently, I too would have water flowing into my well.
There you go again with your facts, and your iron clad logic. These discussions are going to be very one sided if you persist in presenting objective well reasoned arguments.
Leave it to a theist to think getting water out of the ground table is a miracle.
Out of a well 90 meters deep.
Zamzam Water Miracle?
From the Great Wiki:
It taps groundwater from the wadi alluvium and some from the bedrock. Originally water from the well was drawn via ropes and buckets, but today the well itself is in a basement room where it can be seen behind glass panels (visitors are not allowed to enter). Electric pumps draw the water, which is available throughout the Masjid al-Haram via water fountains and dispensing containers near the Tawaf area.
Zamzam water is colourless and odorless, but has a distinct taste, with a pH of 7.5–7.7, indicating that it is alkaline to some extent.
Mineral concentration as reported by researchers at King Saud University
mineral = concentration (mg/L)
Sodium = 133
Calcium = 96
Magnesium = 38.88
Potassium = 43.3
Bicarbonate = 195.4
Chloride = 163.3 (toxic)
Fluoride = 0.72
Nitrate = 124.8 (toxic)
Sulfate = 124.0 (toxic)
And then there are these controversies.
Miracle or poison?
I am not sure whether to applaud your attempt or shake my head at how you completely misunderstood or misinterpreted everything said. Also, the majority of what your posting has nothing to do with the question. Oh, and it's 90 meters today due to the changes and construction done. Great attempt. Keep going
Oh, and the whole wadi alluvium is close. Too bad you stopped reading at that point in a rush that come and try to seem smart
Pretty easy if you ask me. It's a MIRACLE. Praise Allah!!!! Water from a well, whoda thunkit?
Now, what time are those prayers? I want to get my conversion started on the right foot. Are there any concessions for those of use who have a hard time getting up off the floor? Do I need to disown my Christian family? So many questions, so little time.
@ Searching for truth
Then answer me this:
Why is the present well depth 90 meters? Why did they have to dig so deep?
And I will offer the answer. They had to dig that deep to get the water out of the ground. It is a well, nothing more, nothing less, no miracle.
If you have a counter to my post, then post it, do not imply that I missed something. What did I miss? I am proving proof, you are providing "no, no, no" without backing it up.
If there is no explanation, it means there is no explanation, it doesn't mean godidit. When will you god botherers understand argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic.
Zamzam Studies and Research Center (ZSRC) in Saudi Arabia explains quite clearly that they carefully monitor the water levels and only allow as much as can safely be taken so that the well does not dry up. Not only that, it’s refilled by rainfall.
A threshold water level in the well is maintained. If the water level goes below this level the pumping is stopped, water level is allowed to recover, and then pumping is resumed. The annual discharge from the well is restricted to around 500,000 m3. However, this limit can be modified if hydrological condition so permit. For example, due to last year ‘s high rainfall the augmented aquifer recharge allowed proposed production increase by about 92000 m3 for the year 1432 AH.
Source: Zamzam Studies and Research Centre"
If it truly was unlimited, why doesn’t Saudi use it to convert their desert into an oasis?
The water comes from the ground.
The reason it has not run out is because the outputs have not exceeded the input.
Whether or not there is a huge previously unknown source of water deep below the surface is something I have seen discussion of in recent years - I believe the range of responses from those with relevant expertise goes from incredulity & dismissal, to serious consideration. I have no idea if this is relevant to the topic of the OP, nor can I say I have a strong opinion on the matter.
When Mohammed was in Mecca the angel Gabriel came by and cut open Mohammed's chest and ripped out his internal organs. Then Gabriel washed Mohammed's organs in zam zam water. When Gabriel stuffed them back into Mohammed's chest he also added some wisdom and faith.
Did the angel Gabriel give him the nod that raping 9 year girls was ok?
Water? From under the ground? Hare Krishna!
So.... now god is an underground ocean?!?
Ok, SfT, a direct addressing of your OP.
It is called an aquifer. And what miracle?
Some comes from the rain that filters down through the ground. However, that area no way receives enough rain to fill/recharge the aquifer. That leaves the Red Sea. The water in the Red Sea moves through the land to recharge the aquifer. This phenomenon exists close to the shores of all land near oceans and/or seas and/or great lakes.
Because the water is never syphoned out faster than it recharges. Unlike the Aral Sea and the Ogalalla Aquifer.
The same phenomenon has been occuring for billions of years as long as there has been water on the Earth.
Not as long as some of the aquifers in the steppes of Asia...
Now watch SfT come back with...but but you haven't answered my question! I want an answer that agrees that goddidit...waaaah@!
3 perfectly acceptable natural explanations from members of the forum who actually know their shit....but SfT will still want desperately to believe his nasty little book of lies and deception.