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@sirgnomesalot

@sirgnomesalot

I just love the sound of open piped V12's. :)

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Shit, I posted the wrong one.

moo

Whitefire13's picture
Whaaaa?!?!!!!!! You “have”

Whaaaa?!?!!!!!! You “have” a soul?!?!?!?

Lol - take the fun out of poetic language and meaning ...let’s all just shut down our “creative” side!

I am an atheist. I am a science expert. I am a robot.

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@mamapug

@mamapug
I was going to say that David's "Vroom" would make a good mantra, but now I feel that, "I am an atheist. I am a science expert. I am a robot." is even better.
I hope I can fit it on a t-shirt.

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@anyone interested

@anyone interested
Covid update 6/11/20 From Colorado USA

Colorado continues to do well (comparatively) to the rest of USA. Roughly 200 new *DETECTED* cases a day, with a "surplus" of testing capacity. (Testing positivity rates also remains below 5%.) Out of 5.5 million population. Colorado is currently well below ICU bed and ventilator capacity.

Colorado has one of the youngest and healthiest populations in the US, and outside of Denver, remains a "spread out" state in many ways. However Arizona (of which, borders Colorado via a corner) is likely to exceed it's hospital capacity within the next week.

Nearly all the major hotspots in Colorado are: Meat packing plants, prisons, and nursing homes, as well as a few food stores.

Colorado is now more than a month past initial "re-opening" and more services continue to open up further. Restaurants are allowed to open up "distanced" indoor dining now. (and restaurants obviously involve taking masks off, and likely handling of shared surfaces/utensils. We will see if all the protest/riot activity causes an increase in covid cases.

In the more liberal areas of Colorado, masks are still a common sight, but outside of these liberal areas, it seems increasingly "bad form" socially, to wear a mask. Being associated with being "fearful" rather than prudent with an easy and effective tool.

In many ways, right now other then masks, front range Colorado has returned to mostly: "business" as usual. Minus lack of crowds (outside of protests in Denver) and masks wearing. Colorado had arguably the best economy out of any state in 2018 and 2019, making the state better positioned than most to handle this crisis.

The virus has mostly left the cities/rich areas and is doing its damage in the vulnerable populations across USA. Until recently, media has mostly moved on from covid, in covering the latest tRump shenanigans and the protests/riots.

In my opinion systemic racism, especially by cops is an issue that needs to be and should of long ago been addressed, but the timing of the protesting is obviously not good. At least it is occuring in the summer, near summer solstice, letting the sun do its work to annihilate the virus (direct sun kills most of covid in seconds,) and the protest are being done outside. And it is election year, a lot of democrats will now build their platform around police brutality reform.

Until the drop in markets today, (and really even including today's drop,) the US markets continue to recover, despite the devastation on mainstreet. Making it obvious that Wall Street is little influenced by what is going on, on mainstreet. Wall street is for the rich, and the very rich continue to get richer despite a global pandemic and protest/riots.

Future predicting:
New case count will continue to climb for US, but death RATE will continue to drop, (the total death count will accelerate some.)

Schools/daycare will resume in the fall, (pretty much because they have to,) which will also accelerate case count. It appears US has started to become accustomed to the new reality that medically vulnerable people will be dying at a greater rate. With no major changes unless frontline medical services become overwhelmed in a large geographical area.

I unfortunately predict that early November elections will be a disaster, (in terms of long lines to vote and voter suppression,) but my prediction that tRump loses in Nov continues to be supported by the latest polling data. Which is starting to see a 10+ swing towards Biden, so the question becomes: will it be a peaceful transfer of power?

My guess to above question unfortunately, is "no."

Also the virus hotspots are now currently more conservative areas instead of more liberal areas, as conservatives (especially those that listen to tRump)generally are less likely to observe distancing, mask wearing, or get tested before they start spreading it to others. Conservatives are also more likely to go to large gatherings indoors, like the perfect storm of transmission, churches.

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@LogicFTW: Being associated

@LogicFTW: Being associated with being "fearful"

LOL. As if a virus is a bully that you can beat by standing firm and being brave!

You wear a mask to protect others as well as yourself.

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@Algebe

@Algebe

AMEN to that.

I'm still wearing a face mask when I go out in public.. It's really not a thing around her. I live in an older area,with a large population of geriatrics, many of whom are morons. Many locals are pretty casual about distancing, except in shops. I politely ask others to keep their distance if they get too close.They comply, usually with eye rolling

A few weeks ago, I yelled at a mob 20-30 of people clustered waiting for a store to open. There were hostile looks and again with the eye rolling. I swear I'm getting a T shirt made saying: CRANKY OLD CRUNT. Pretty sure I can't get away with setting such people on fire.

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@ Cranky, forget the T shirt.

@ Cranky, forget the T shirt. Surprise people. :)

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@Grinseed

@Grinseed

"@ Cranky, forget the T shirt. Surprise people. :)"

I tried that,but they keep getting away

Don't worry. I'm far too much of a tight arse to fork out for a bespoke T shirt.

Besides, I hate surprises. Loathe practical jokers with a passion. Have been the butt of far too many. EG An office wit once injected my lunch sandwich with chilli oil. Another time my loyal staff threw me into a swimming pool fully clothed.

What can I say, in person I can be a dead cunt.

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@ LogicFTW

@ LogicFTW

I am led to guffaw at the antics of the incompetent president, but then I realize that people are suffering and dying because of this virus, and made worse by the president.

This tragedy pains me.

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@David 1000 agrees.

@David

1000 agrees.

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@David Killens

@David Killens
Same, the tragedy pains me, for the same reasons you list and more.

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So now, Trump is going to

So now, Trump is going to hold a rally, and will cram it to the rafters with adoring fans. But to be admitted, one must sign a waiver absolving Trump and his people from any responsibility if they catch the virus.

Boris Johnson got a lot of heat for just projecting that image, but Trump is truly willing to sacrifice lives just so his ego gets fed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiKuxfcSrEU

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@David Killens

@David Killens

I would say: "sure let those idiots be idiots" get it, etc. But the problem is those idiots will go out and infect other innocent folks, who in turn can infect more. What those "idiots" do it affects us all.

That is just another insidious aspect of covid and how it can spread asymptomatically.

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Ugh Logic ... I keep watching

Ugh Logic ... I keep watching worldmeter- keeping an eye on Canada with the reopening into stage 2 - fuck... the USA rose from falling a bit - I’m not “seeing” any big drops or cuts in overall numbers ...I hope your area is more “wary”

I feel for you - stay safe and healthy...

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My particular area is fairly

My particular area is fairly liberal and well educated. I would say most people wear masks, especially around "strangers" although, the younger they are, the less likely they are to wear masks.

I will stay safe and healthy, I am pretty good at that :)

My work was already mostly work from home before covid, and now it is 100% I used to do some incident response, if the situation calls for it. But I always loathed hopping on a plane, so only doing so if the need was especially dire even before covid. Now I just farm those contracts out even if they can be highly lucrative for me.

boomer47's picture
@Logic

@Logic

People around here are a bit weird/casual/ bloody minded/stupid imo.

I need to go out to buy food. Always wear a mask in public places. Yet I have seldom see anyone wearing a mask,even from the start.. Perhaps I'm more cynical than they. I don't trust my government and think I have a grasp of the meaning of the word 'pandemic'. If I contract the virus, there's a chance I could die. I take that very seriously indeed.

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@cranky47

@cranky47

People around here are a bit weird/casual/ bloody minded/stupid imo.

Yep. Australia has the virus "under control" but that will be undone quickly if everyone adopts the attitude that they do not have to act any differently then from before. Australia is fortunate that they caught it and reacted it to fast enough that something like screening and contact tracing and isolation tracking of all visitors is also possible. Australia could escape this with fairly minimal impact if the people stay vigilant.

I need to go out to buy food. Always wear a mask in public places.

What sucks is masks are a lot more effective at keeping the virus in, then out. If everyone wore masks consistently the virus spread would be minimal especially at places that everyone needs to use, like food stores. I personally order food online, and have them delivered to my house, where I can at my leisure clean the food packaging. I am not this careful for myself, I am under 40 and healthy, but because I am the primary caregiver for 3 at risk individuals with major comorbidities to covid, I have to stay that careful for them.

If I contract the virus, there's a chance I could die. I take that very seriously indeed.

Absolutely you could die, we all could, but the older you get the worse those odds get and it ramps up fast. For instance, in Colorado, for 40 and under it is 1 in 500 (or more) detected cases = death, health at those ages? It is more like 1 in 5000. Get up to 80+ years old and it is a very frightening 2 in 5.
https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data

It seems to be coming down to the economy vs lives

Yep and many places are picking economy. Especially when the outbreak in the country is way, WAY! beyond any sort of hope at containment, where full contact tracing is impossible, and even testing even the ones likely infected with covid gets impossible. I would put europe, usa, mexico, brazil (and many countries that are not reporting full numbers) in that bucket.

USA basically decided to best as they can walk the thin line between economy killing shutdowns and frontline medical industry killing number of cases. And since healthcare is very unequal in the US, if its the poor/vulnerable that are getting covid, and not the rich in the cities, the massive preventable deaths is "acceptable."

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Huffington Post Today Monday

Huffington Post Today Monday 15 June.

A 70 year old man had the audacity to survive Covid190. He was presented with a $US1.1 million hospital bill. The article noted that that he has private health insurance so won't have to pay it all.

In contrast; in Oz , emergency treatment, in a public hospital, his bill would have been $A 0.00.

"Seattle Man Gets $1.1 Million Coronavirus Hospital Bill: Report
The 70-year-old man said goodbye to his family before miraculously recovering.

Michael Flor, a Seattle resident, surprised doctors and family members when he recovered from a life-threatening coronavirus infection this spring.

Then he got his own surprise ― a hospital bill for $1,122,501.04.

Flor, 70, shared the 181-page document with The Seattle Times, which noted that he has insurance and Medicare coverage and so may only have to pay a relatively small amount of the whopping total.

He may not have to pay anything at all due to steps taken by Congress to protect Americans with private insurance or no insurance from being charged for seeking testing and treatment for COVID-19, the illness caused by the virus. That was the case for Slate writer David Lat, who wrote about being let off the hook for his $320,000 hospital bill this week."

In an exquisite piece of understatement the article speaks about a system "which has come under increased criticism". I understand that most newspapers are reluctant to print say "the system is fucked". But "has come under increased criticism" --------?

Pickle me grandmother! This is life and death stuff, not a complaint against the Russian netball team for aggressive behaviour.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/seattle-man-11-million-coronavir...

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@cranky47:

@cranky47:

That's absurd. What could a hospital possibly do to justify that kind of charge? I've watched American medical dramas, like "Grey's Anatomy". They bring people back from death's door, fix them up, and send them smiling on their way. You never see them dropping dead from shock after getting the bill.

Years ago my son, then aged 9, got a headache while waiting for a plane at Dallas Fort Worth. I asked one of the counter staff for an aspirin. Instead she called the medics. Next thing we're in an ambulance racing through Dallas to a big hospital. They did all sorts of tests and told us he had a headache. Then we got a cab to a hotel and waited for a flight the next day. The hospital bill was over $30K. Our travel insurer in New Zealand went ballistic and questioned it. Because of the delay, the Dallas police, which operated the ambulance, set Pinkertons on us to collect the ambulance fee.

There's no wonder so many people in the US believe in faith healers.

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@Algebe

@Algebe

"What could a hospital possibly do to justify that kind of charge?"

Indeed.

I remember seeing an episode of 'House' in which a person received an itemised bill. One item was a $20 charge for an aspirin tablet.

I have never left Australia without the best travel insurance I could find. I only fell ill once. In Austria . Was in a lot of pain.They don't have GP's as we do here. So I went to a complaint specific doctor. Consult and antibiotics was 1200 marks. I thought that was a bit on the high side, but was grateful it had not happened in the US,where we had been a month earlier.

I can remember a horror story from about 30 years ago. A bloke from Queensland (where else?) had a heart attack in the US. A couple of weeks in hospital. He was not insured. Received a six figure bill. Had to sell his house.

Fortunately it's all moot these days. My last o/s trip was in 2000. Have no plan of more trips; I don't enjoy travelling alone, and swore I would never fly long haul cattle class again.

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@Cranky47: $20 charge for an

@Cranky47: $20 charge for an aspirin tablet.

That includes $19.99 for malpractice insurance and legal fees.

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This is common practice in US

This is common practice in US hospitals.

The House episode, is actually outdated. We have had news reports with screen shots of 80 dollars per ibuprofen pill. (Where you can buy a bottle of 500 of them at the local store for ~10 bucks.)

The overwhelmingly most common individual bankruptcy claim in US is due to medical bills. Takes out the entire supporting family's finances too. Health care in the US is a for profit industry, that takes advantage of the fact people will pay anything to stay alive and get better.

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Received a voice mail from

Received a voice mail from my mate a few minutes ago. It's 0826 Wed 17 June here.

Seems it has been proved that an existing drug increases recovery rate from covid19 by 35%. Apparently hospitals have plenty of the drug on hand and it's cheap. One can't help but wonder just how cheap if one is a patient in an American hospital.

That's all the information I have right now

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@cranky47: existing drug

@cranky47: existing drug increases recovery rate from covid19 by 35%.

That's dexamethasone. It's a steroid. They give it to my wife when she had chemotherapy. It helps to suppress nausea. One of the side-effects is insomnia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-17/dexamethasone-potential-coronavir...

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The 35% number is misleading.

The 35% number is misleading.

It is something like 9% if you are on oxygen, and around 35% improvement if on a ventilator.

Still a great find, and very helpful, but this is not going to be a flat 35% reduction in deaths from covid.

And hospitalization to the point of ventilator is also something EVERYONE wants to avoid. Even with this advancement, if your covid case gets bad enough that you are on a ventilator (your lungs no longer provide enough oxygen to your body even in a resting state) there is still greater than 50% chance that the patient will die, usually within a week or two.

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@Logic

@Logic

Yes, it's Cranky here. Have no idea why the screen now shows my username instead of my screen name.

"The 35% number is misleading."

I guess I just really wanted it to be true,so ignored my usual scepticism.

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My country is currently under

My country is currently under stage 3 lockdown which means most businesses may operate .Luckily face masks are strictly required
when entering shops in attempt to reduce the spread of the COVID-19
see : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_South_Africa for more information and also most of the COVID-19 confirmed cases in South Africa is in the Western Cape see: https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-ZA&mid=/m/0hzlz&gl=ZA&ceid=ZA:en

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Danie ... feel free to join

Danie ... feel free to join us on a form layout - we’ve moved over the last few days ... lol all newbies! Just click on the forum link on the forum page... :)

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