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Not sure what this:
"The move follows an infamous incident in one of its Philadelphia stores where staff called police after noticing two black men hanging out without buying anything; both were taken away in handcuffs even as fellow customers protested that they hadn’t done anything wrong. When it turned out the two men had just been innocently waiting for a friend, Starbucks found itself branded racist overnight"
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/29/training-starbucks...
Has to do with this description in your little video:
"Jared Taylor of American Renaissance notes that massive studies of “bias training” show that it is an $8-billion-a-year waste of time..."
Starbucks only ran the training once, so $8 billion per year doesn't come into it.
And:
"In the meantime, Starbucks is on its way to turning its stores into homeless shelters in an attempt to please blacks.."
Is just inflammatory racist garbage.
Website: https://www.amren.com/
Gab: https://gab.ai/AmRenaissance
But then again, American Renaissance IS a white supremacist channel, just like its magazine:
" They include Jared Taylor, the founder of the white supremacist magazine American Renaissance"
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/youtube-comments-hate-speech-racist...
"Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white supremacist. He is the founder and editor of American Renaissance, a white supremacist online magazine. "
"Taylor and American Renaissance are represented by Marc Randazza, who has previously represented Andrew Anglin, publisher of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer website."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor
"Jared Taylor (born 1951) is an American Japanese-born alt-right leader and pseudo-intellectual (but we repeat ourselves) responsible for founding the white nationalist magazine American Renaissance. "
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jared_Taylor
Strange fruit to be picking there, TermDog, but to each his own, I guess.
Aesop — 'A man is known by the company he keeps'
Please try and be a bit honest in what you post - poor guys were arrested for no reason.....
.dindunuthin.
$12mill not including training, just nothing.
@TermDog
Firstly, you edited your post. Just for future reference, we consider it polite to note that around here.
Interesting you weren't prepared to defend your claim that American Renaissance isn't a white supremacist magazine/YouTube channel. I'll leave that subject with a quote from American Renaissance itself, shall I?
"Blacks and whites are different. When blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western civilization — any kind of civilization — disappears."
— American Renaissance, 2005
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/jared...
Re: " Please try and be a bit honest in what you post - poor guys were arrested for no reason....."
I quoted the Guardian directly. See the " " marks? That's why they're there. It's standard practice when directly quoting to use quotation marks. But you clearly don't trust the Guardian, so let's see if I can find other sources.
Oh look! Here's the New York Times:
"On April 12, Mr. Nelson and Mr. Robinson were sitting in a Starbucks in Philadelphia’s Center City neighborhood. They were waiting for another man, Andrew Yaffe, who is white, for a business meeting.
When they asked to use the restroom before they had purchased anything, an employee said no. They were eventually asked to leave, and when they did not, an employee called the police."
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nyti...
And here's the Washington Post:
" On April 12, Nelson and Robinson arrived 10 minutes early for a business meeting at a Starbucks in the Center City neighborhood of Philadelphia and wound up leaving the location in handcuffs. Upon arriving, Nelson asked whether he could use the restroom, and was told by a white manager that the restrooms were only for paying customers.
“And I just left it at that,” Nelson told “Good Morning America” last month.
After Nelson returned to the table where Robinson was sitting, the manager approached them to ask whether she could help get them drinks or water.
Two minutes later, she called the police to report “two gentlemen in my cafe that are refusing to make a purchase or leave.” Officers arrived a few minutes later. Robinson recalled thinking that “they can’t be here for us.”
Nelson told “Good Morning America” that the police told him and Robinson that they had to leave without any discussion. They were then arrested, and Robinson said they were not read any rights or told why they were being arrested.
Charges of trespassing and creating a disturbance were dropped that night."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/05/02/african-ameri...
And just in case the NYT and Washpo are too, too leftist, too, here's Fox News' take:
"PHILADELPHIA – Two black men arrested for sitting at a Philadelphia Starbucks without ordering anything settled with the world's biggest coffee-shop chain Wednesday for an undisclosed sum and an offer of a free college education."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/02/black-men-arrested-at-starbucks-set...
Oh dear! Murdoch's right wing Fox seems to take an even dimmer view of what went down than the other three, doesn't it? "Arrested for sitting at a Starbucks without ordering anything". Ouch!
Re: " $12mill not including training, just nothing."
How a profitable multinational corporation chooses to spend its money isn't my concern. I couldn't give a fuck, to be honest. If it worries you, boycott the stores and/or sell your shares. Apparently the April arrests didn't affect Starbucks' profts at all:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/27/starbucks-ceo-says-philadelphia-arrests-...
And they made US$2.88 billion net income in 2017 and net revenues were $US22.4 billion, so I presume they thought US$12 million was a small price to pay for the positive PR - " Compared to $US22 billion, $US12 million is basically a rounding error", as Business Insider put it.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/219502/starbucks-net-income/
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/starbucks-racial-bias-training-is-goo...
What's your point, now that you actually quoted the missing most relevant bit. They were refused entry to restroom because they were not customers, they were loiterers.
Do you understand how a business works, people pay for services, da fuq I would let some assholes just sit in my shop and taking dumps in my toilet if they were not customers. Would not matter if they were Black, white, yellow, or polka dots or gay, straight, Trans or whatever.
Let's see you weavecracism into that.
Businesses are there to do business not for people to occupy space and take dumps.
$12 million well spent?
You have not made a single piece of evidence AR isva racistvorg.
Opinions are irrelevant, this is a clear legal issue - what law they breaking?
You proved your a supporter of identity politics, you have a problem with white identity?
Edited my post earlier because your points were not worth arguing.
@Terminal Dogma, what law were the men breaking?
Can't find the initial charge.
@TermDog
Re: " What's your point, now that you actually quoted the missing most relevant bit. They were refused entry to restroom because they were not customers, they were loiterers."
No lad. They were ARRESTED. For wanting to use a restroom and for not ordering anything. Probably because they were 10 minutes early for a business meeting and decided to wait for their colleague before ordering. That's what you do if you're early for a meeting- you wait for your colleague to arrive before ordering. It's called GOOD MANNERS.
Re: "You have not made a single piece of evidence AR isva racistvorg."
How about their own fucking words for starters? Here they are again:
"Blacks and whites are different. When blacks are left entirely to their own devices, Western civilization — any kind of civilization — disappears."
— American Renaissance, 2005
Can you honestly not see that's racist? Are you really that far gone?
Re: "Opinions are irrelevant..."
I haven't given you opinions, I've given you sources. Here. Have some more:
http://www.politicalresearch.org/tag/jared-taylor/
https://www.gq.com/story/how-free-speech-warriors-mainstreamed-white-sup...
https://www.politico.com/story/2011/01/dhs-probes-ties-to-hate-group-047308
https://www.thenation.com/article/how-the-alt-right-uses-social-science-...
Oh look! And here's AR's report card from Media Bias/Fact Check:
QUESTIONABLE SOURCE
A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, overt propaganda, poor or no sourcing to credible information and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact checked on a per article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the notes section for that source. See all Questionable sources.
Bias: Extreme Right, Hate Group, Propaganda
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-renaissance-magazine/
Re: " this is a clear legal issue - what law they breaking?"
See attachment. You can be a racist cunt without breaking any laws- freedom of speech, ya know.
Re: " You proved your a supporter of identity politics..."
LMAO! ROFL!
Well, one of us did, but it ain't me, babe. No, no, no, it ain't me babe!
Re: " ...you have a problem with white identity?"
And let's hear it for strawman number two!
No lad. Since I am white that would be a little schizoid of me, wouldn't it? No. I just have a problem with bigots.
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They were arrested for unlawful loitering. Does not take much intelligence to know that. ALL businesses have a "no loitering" policy. Some just choose to ignore it, such as Wal-Mart allowing TTT drivers park for free. They also allow RVs to park for free. Why? Because they know there is an 80% chance they will come into the store and make a purchase, or purchases.
Why don't you try to be more honest with what you post. There was no racism in this arrest. The guys had been sitting in the store for HOURS without making any purchase. Then when they were getting arrested, they come up with the bullshit story that they were waiting for a friend. Since they had been "loitering" for HOURS, what was their friend up to? Getting a surgery?
Come on dude. That "waiting for a friend" story was comeplete bullshit. They loitered for hours without pruchasing. Thus, yes, they got arrested for loitering.
And if you were truly honest, you would have also posted the story that Starbucks did drop the charges.
You are the one who should quit lying.
rmfr
According to what I read, they entered the Starbucks at 4:35, and the police were called at 4:37; which is more like 2 minutes, not hours.
I was going on a news story I heard about two days after the incident. One of the girls at the front counter said they had been in there for hours. I don't know. It was the only thing I heard about the story. Thought it was a bunch of bullshit since one of the officers said they were being arrested for unlawful loitering. Never followed up on the story, because of the way others poopooed it so badly.
Once example of why I do not watch any news any more. It gets blown way out of left field. I can remember when news used to be responsible with the way they reported news. It actually was news. Now days it seems it is nothing more than sensational bullshitism because it is what sells.
If I was wrong, thanks for correcting me.
rmfr
You know the business associate they were waiting for, showed up while they were being arrested and is featured prominently on the video of them being arrested. I don't think he was made up.
No charges were ever filed; the DA stated there was no evidence they had broken the law.
John Wayne and Walt Disney are dead. The "good old days" are just fond racist memories.
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@ Terminal Dogma: Do you understand how a business works, people pay for services.
I gotta say, I am with terminal dogma on this one. The guys were sitting there. (Agreed.) They did no one any harm. (Agreed. ) They were waiting for the bathrooms, (Okay fine: Agreed)
They were told that they could not be in the Starbucks without ordering something. First by a waitress and then by a manager. THEY WERE NOT CUSTOMERS. They refused to order and they obviously did not explain that they were waiting for a third person to join them.
THE BATHROOMS ARE PRIVATE AND FOR CUSTOMERS ONLY: Where in the world is this not the policy?
The police arrived and told the men they should leave, per management. The men refused. As far as I know, a business has the right to REFUSE SERVICE to anyone and for any reason. The manager wanted them out so a paying customer could use the table. How is this not reasonable. The color of their skin has nothing to do with anything. THIS IS THE WAY A BUSINESS IS RUN.
IMO: Starbucks should have never backed down. The real problem is that Starbucks is the safe room for millions of snowflakes all across America. They caved in to save their customer base.
EDITED FOR RELEVANCY: Besides the black guys were probably atheists and deserved to be kicked out. (You just have to put something about atheism in a post.)
Businesses in the United States do not have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. Business often put up signs claiming otherwise, but that is just a sign, and will not protect you from the legal troubles you will quickly find yourself in.
Nothing protects you from legal trouble in the USA. We are sue happy. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
I'm talking about huge fines from the government. I remember a Korean club that got fined $20,000 for refusing service to non-Koreans. Some companies have paid millions in fines for this kind of thing.
According to the reports, that is exactly what they told the coffee shop employee, and the police.
I stand corrected if that is the case. I did not read that anywhere.
ABC news reports that other people were given the bathroom code without purchases right before the arrest of these two black guys. They also report that another person had spent 2 hours sitting in the coffee shop (and was still sitting without a purchase when the arrests were made).
It sure seems like the amount of time you can be in that shop without a purchase is a function of your skin color. Apparently if your skin is dark you got about 2 minutes.
If it's a fact, I don't have a leg to stand on. The issue is not with the police who did their jobs based on the inconsistency of Starbucks employees to follow policy. What Starbucks did was completely legal. How they did it was bigoted.
Everyone has to take a whiz or a dump once in a while when they are out and about. So when that happens and the nearest available place is going to be a prick about letting the person use the facilities the person should simply whip it out and piss all over the place or dump some diarrhea in the middle of the floor. Sure, the person will get busted but if 5,000 people did it a lot of places would be more accommodating. Sure, it's an business overhead expense but if people get mad and start pissing all over the place what happens to the business then? Imagine that you are at a hospital or an airport and you can't use the restroom because you aren't a patient or a ticketed passenger.
One thing is for sure and that is that some business owners don't follow the golden rule.
@dio do you live in Cali, your philosophy is now a lifestyle. People shit & piss wherever they feel like it to the extent it's a legit public health threat - lib logic in action.
Do you hate civilization?
Do you think the exception should be the rule or else destructive mass action?
Terminal Dogma,
"your philosophy is now a lifestyle."
One day you might find yourself with a raging case of diarrhea or the urge to piss like a race horse and you won't have any place to relieve yourself because there are no readily available public toilets. What will you do then?
Sure, real estate is at a premium in crowded downtowns but with all of the people of varying ages and physical conditions there should be some public toilets scattered about for people to relieve themselves. It's obvious that the business owners have a stick stuck up their butts and don't want the general public to use their facilities. So it becomes a matter of public health to have general use toilet facilities where there's an obvious need for them. The real issue is that it's a racist issue that's lingering from Jim Crow days. The powers that be won't build them because black people or other hated minorities will use them. One thing is for sure and that is that there will be more people. Current facilities such as those in assorted businesses won't be able to handle the surge of people who need a place to relieve themselves.
San Francisco is a prime example of a city full of hateful people. They don't want the homeless, or even the average person, to use a toilet facility in a business building. So the option is for the affected people to relieve themselves on the streets or for the powers to be to basically exterminate the "undesirable" people from the city.
Remember, while you might be in good shape today you could be a physical wreck tomorrow. When that happens you might remember this discussion.
http://news.berkeley.edu/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/JimCrow_roadside_410...
I admit I have used restrooms in places where I wasn't a customer in case of emergency, and not once has any employee ever complaint. I'm not sure if it has something to do with being from a different country, but it's the first time I read something like this (police arresting sb for using a toilet of a cafeteria). In Madrid if they don't want people who are not customers to use their restrooms, they usually put a door with a security code device or a lock and you have to ask for a key to enter. But this sounds too extreme for me.
Isn't it interesting how easily we internalize incredibly dubious information about events, to prevent our worldviews from being challenged?
@Nyar
Re: " Isn't it interesting how easily we internalize incredibly dubious information about events, to prevent our worldviews from being challenged?"
This is an example of it in Australia. This article was a bit of a wake up call for me.
" Leon estimates there were around 50 people watching.
“They thought it was just fun and games… here’s another blackfella being assaulted by police. He must have done something wrong,” he says."
https://newmatilda.com/2016/08/29/black-and-blue-leon-petrou-and-police-...
Here's an interview with the young woman who recorded the Philladelphia Starbucks arrest on her phone:
https://www.phillymag.com/news/2018/04/14/philadelphia-starbucks-arrest-...
And here's the video. The guy in the vest you see talking to the police at the end is the guy Rashon Nelson and Donte Robinson were waiting for:
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/they-didnt-do-anything-v...
And here's an article by a writer who'd been sitting in a Starbucks somewhere else writing without buying anything when news of the Starbucks incident came through. Not the Philly incident - one in California a week later:
https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/i-heard-about-latest-starbucks-racism...
Yeah Starbucks is known the world over as a hang out for white supremecist Nazis.
Public toilets is certainly an issue that should be sorted out by voters or even built to a minimum reasonable standard and distribution regardless of voters, no argument there.
@ TD if you look back at public health regulations as far back as the 1890's Public conveniences were part and parcel of the landscape and town planning. They still are in most non English speaking European countries, although considerably more sophisticated than the old cast iron pissoir that stood in the centre of a convenient sidewalk/pavement.
The denial of public places of convenience and the upsurge in "only if you got the dollar" mentality has contributed in no small way to the general incivility of society. It is symptomatic of privilege and the denial of basic service for all.
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