I am an atheist, a materialist, and an empiricalist- that much we might agree on. But the more I look around this website the more I see that the majority of you are socialist, progressives, and authoritarians. Most of you oppose gun rights and economic freedom, most of you support welcoming in millions of terrorists into our countries, and most of you supported Hillary. Albeit, I supported Trump, but at least I can admit he is a douchebag and that his daughter is a shithead.
Either way it is aside the point, I know a Marxist and we get along, I know a Neo-nazi and we get along, I even know a few populists and we get along. My Great Aunt and Great Grandma both voted for Hillary- and yet I'm cool with them. That isn't the problem. I'm not one of these trendies who freaks put when someone dares to disagree with them, that's not the point.
For many of you, it isn't enough to believe, for example, that no one needs a gun, you want to force me to act in accordance with your wrong belief.
Furthermore, many of you can't even come up with an argument against my stances. When I made a post saying I would like for most government functions to be handled locally, myckob responded by calling it stupid, which is not an argument. He didn't make the same response to truett, who advocated a global communist regime, so why not apply it to the other extreme?
It seems that many of your ideas were also adopted from the Nazis- who supported strong government control of the economy, social welfare programs, gun prohibition, a European Super State, and eventually, a World Government.
I am a Classical Liberal- as a Classical Liberal, I support decentralised power, strong borders, maximum personal and economic freedom, and a smaller, less intrusive government. If you don't like it- that's your problem. On a few occasions I have avoided expressing my stances as to not make people like myckob angry, but it isn't my job to agree with you.
Abraham Lincoln once said 'you can get some of the people to like you all of the time, and you can get all of the people to like you some of the time, but you will never get all of the people to like you all of the time.' I just have different beliefs than the rest of you, and so I am bound to make enemies- so deal with it.
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I especially liked the reference to the idea that we're okay with letting "millions of terrorists" into the country. Do you need any bailing wire for your straw (man) argument harry?
I thought you promised to leave this site and never come back; but that may have been either (a) my imagination or (b) too good to be true.
You forgot conspiracy theorist.
Harry
Sounds like you have some passive aggressive issue to work out. No one at this site support the nazi ideas. Your the one who has neo nazi friend.
Read Mein Kamf, Progressives are the new Nazis.
Reading Mein Kamf doesn't prove progressives are nazi's. I'm a progressive think person. Are you a conservative person?
You people support policies which were adopted from Nazism. The modern welfare state is based on one that Hitler invented- you want to ban guns and eliminate state governments as well, and you want government control over the economy through heavy taxation, and the regulation or nationalization of industries.
Again, no one here wants to ban guns or eliminate state governments, that is crazy talk. We are rational, for the most part, (hah!)
I doubt anyone here wants to be heavily taxed. (seriously, who would?) I do however support regulating industry, nationalizing, no. In fact, the trend has been on both sides of the aisle for sometime to privatize many government controlled industry.
Myckob wants to ban guns and eliminate state governments. And yes, you want to nationalize healthcare and higher education.
Yes I want to nationalize Health care, major money savings benefit there. I am not sure on college education, I would like to, but I get that would be very expensive. As nice and equality creating that would be, I do not feel college education should be a right paid for the government (our tax dollars) quite like how healthcare should be, (A right, plus it is a no brainer considering all the savings in overall cost.)
I have trouble believing that Harry T is serious and not trolling, but given that Trump was elected President I suppose he might well mean every word he writes.
Some people support Trump because they think that policies are more important than personalities. Ordinarily I would agree, but 'good things do not come from bad people' is a more important principle than 'policies before personality'.
Harry talks of authoritarianism and sick ideology and then supports Trump! The free world will have to manage without the USA until some collective sanity returns to the US electorate.
Europe and especially the UK have our problems too, but at least people will still switch their vote or change their political party based on policies and debate.
The problem in the USA isn't between Republicans and Democrats or between supporters of Ms Clinton and Trump. The policies of professional, respected and honest Ms Clinton may not be the best, but I have heard almost no criticism of Trump that isn't fully justified.
His people are so smart?! You couldn't make this stuff up:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-i-cou...
Loyalty to such an ignorant egotist isn't some kind of virtue.
Having a common language, valuing freedom of speech and expression, respect for compromise and shared democratic principles across the whole of N America combined with relatively low taxes and trade agreements have made the USA an exceptionally rich and powerful country. Money is power and will have to be respected but the decision to elect an egotist is a disgrace. What next? A fraud, a murderer or some other criminal? All over supposed ideology?
The divide in the USA isn't ideological. It is between sense and ignorance.
I supported Trump because he wasn't Hillary, no other reason. If you gave me a choice between Hillary and some crazed monkey on heroin to run the country, I would chose the monkey.
Then your ignorance shouldn't have allowed the previous candidates to lose.
I have spent a lot of time trying to make sense of the results of the US election. Just the fact that Trump is/alleges to be a billionaire seemed like plenty enough reason to not vote for the guy unless you too were a billionaire.
Not that the other side (democrats) were angels. Plenty of major issues in Washington DC, easy to understand the angst towards DC. But again, for people that thought Trump was the solution, is truly mind boggling.
LogicForTW,
If Trump and the Repubs really, really hose up the country then the incompetent Dems can use that against them and the Repubs should get voted out for the next generation.
It's not just mindless animosity towards Ms Clinton that Trump supporters exhibit, it sounds like personal hatred of her. I wonder what could possibly be causing that. No matter how much one might disagree with her policies, she doesn't sound like anything but an honest, successful lawyer.
Is Russian trolling on Atheist websites conceivably possible? Obviously I'm aware how much like a conspiracy theory that sounds, but I was on the Thinking Atheist some time ago and happened to mention the apparently Kremlin sanctioned murder of Litvinenko...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko
Ordinarily I would laugh too, but the response on there was, quote, "who cares about Litvinenko? He was a nobody". It almost sounds like Putin talking sometimes.
Putin must be content these days...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Berezovsky_(businessman)
And there are others who could be added to this list...
http://uk.businessinsider.com/list-of-people-putin-is-suspected-of-assas...
ZeffD
I feel like those foreign trolls are everywhere like a disease that's spreading.
Glad to hear there are more atheist forums. Gonna check out thinking atheist.
I am appalled at the hatred towards Hillary and believe it has a lot to do with Russian trolls. I was so proud to be a woman when I watched her in debates with orange face beat him to the ground with her brilliance. Wish Americans would appreciate the good she did and does and get over trying to make her out to be "evil" driven with so many odd deaths and conspiracies attached to her name. It insane.
I follow her daughter Chelsea on twitter and find her polite but strong and a fighter for injustice. Hillary did a great job with her.
@JamieB
I doubt that most Libyans share your adoration of Secretary Clinton.
Mbrownec
R u blaming Hillary for Benghazi ?
@JaimieB
The following snippet speaks volumes about Secretary Clinton's attitude in the civil war in Libya....
I encourage you to read the entire article.
My personal belief is that Secretary Clinton's part in the war in Libya is textbook documentation of ambition without a moral compass.
Secretary Clinton's Role in the Libyan Civil War
The Resulting Libyan Refugee Crisis
What I got from this is that the suspicions of guilt for Hillary is valid in regards to the billions in gold that was involved.
She wasn't president in 2011. To kill Gaddafi was pres Bush call. At that time Gaddafi was aiding terrorist organizations and maybe retrospect is 20/20. We shouldn't have done that I agree. Did it help things in Iraq when we took out Saddam Hussein? Obama is the only one who went after terrorist like Osama Ben Ladin. I don't blame Hilliary for Libya. She was part of the administration and she testified found not guilty. You don't trust the courts? Well they could be wrong, but in my head she's innocent until proven guilty. I follow her daughter on twitter and see her as a true humanitarian.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/2016/12...
JamieB,
The debates were rigged. Hillary had the questions before they started and she was getting information through an ear piece.
And trump was snorting coke because of his sniffles
Actually Hillary lost those debates by promoting hysterical conspiracy theories about "Russians."
Actually Hillary lost those debates by promoting hysterical conspiracy theories about "Russians."
Okay, Harry. I want you to do something. I want you to print the below statement that you posted and wait 15 to 30 years and read it again. Then you will see just how stupid and immature it really is. It describes a child that is completely irrational.
"More like- I don't want the state to control my life, so I oppose statist and authoritarian proposals. One day, I am going to buy an island and start my own nation if the US doesn't fix its shit soon. I'll take 50,000 or so libertarians with me and well build a small city with the density of New York."
Myckob, if I red something I wrote 15 years ago, I wouldn't even recognize it. It would probably just be scribbles. Of course I am going to be more mature in 15 years, but that in no way invalidates my thinking.
15 years?
How about last year when you told us you had proof that 3 million people witnessed Moses talking to god?
Or when you told us the some guys with dowsing rods found the skeletons/fossils of giant humans which confirmed the old Testament?
Or how about when you told us Tibetan monk's can lite objects on fire with their mind?
I was brainwashed for 15 years into believing that shit. You used to too.
I used to be a communist, democrat- then I became a conservative Republican, by the time I joined this site. Now I'm an independent. I changed ideologies repeatedly, but I seem to have gotten more libertarian as time went on.
@ Harry Truman
See if you had told us that you believed god is real; then later told us that you had changed your opinion and you no longer believe god is real; that would make sense. But no; you repeatedly told us that you had a proof that god was real. You either have that proof or you do not. I assume if you had it, you would still be a believer. Which leaves me with the conclusion that you probably never had it. Which makes your statement that you had it problematic.
I had "proof," I just later found that it wasn't proof
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