Ideological differences

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mbrownec's picture
@Harry Truman

@Harry Truman

That's what I just posted! (Read again.)

Here it is again, using slightly different verbiage, directly from the World Socialist website....

The establishment of a system of society based upon the common ownership and democratic control of the means and instruments for producing and distributing wealth by and in the interest of the whole community.

Source: http://www.worldsocialism.org/english/object-and-declaration-principles

LogicFTW's picture
Do you really think you know

Do you really think you know more about socialism, then someone that is actually a socialist, for much longer than you been alive?

Harry33Truman's picture
Suppose I went up to you and

Suppose I went up to you and told you 'I'm a conservative, and conservatism is pro-choice!' You would deny that, and if I responded by saying 'do you really think you know more about conservatism than someone who has been a conservative longer than you have been alive?

Let's stop the bullshit, he's a communist not socialist.

LogicFTW's picture
I would not necessarily deny

I would not necessarily deny that conservative never equal pro choice. I have met plenty of conservatives that are pro-choice. vSure the majority probably are not pro-choice. But you will not find in the definition of conservative: "must not be pro-choice."

Quite an accusation calling someone a communist on the boards, someone you barely know. Not that being a communist is necessarily bad, but in the context you use it as, you wield it like an insult. If you want others on this board to respect your ideological differences, perhaps you should in turn respect theirs.

Harry33Truman's picture
Look up the difference

Look up the difference between communism and socialism. Counism is anarchist, socialism is statist.

Nyarlathotep's picture
In political discourse, when

In political discourse, when you see someone use the term "statist" it is a red flag that you are talking to a lunatic.

Harry33Truman's picture
That's what it is, look up

That's what it is, look up the definition of statism.

mbrownec's picture
@Harry Truman

@Harry Truman

Let's stop the bullshit, he's a communist not socialist.

As my profile indicates, I am a social anarchist and I think Johann Most, an atheist, said it best....

"Anarchists are socialists because they want the improvement of society, and they are communists because they are convinced that such a transformation of society can only result from the establishment of a commonwealth of property."

Source: http://www.legendsofanarchism2.com/429504950

So ... I take your intended slander as a compliment. Thank you, I appreciate it!

Usagi's picture
@ Harry // most of you

@ Harry // most of you support welcoming in millions of terrorists into our countries.

I don't think I've ever met a person who has told me that they welcome terrorists into our country. That way of thinking of yours is what gives rise to such discrimination and hate towards people of different nationalities. I doubt that the environment in which you and your neo-nazi friend live in is harsh and yet you sound so paranoid. I'm okay with the mentally stabled to own guns. It's cute how it's a right to keep and bear arms but having healthcare is a privilege. Priorities lol

Harry33Truman's picture
"I don't think I've ever met

"I don't think I've ever met a person who has told me that they welcome terrorists into our country. That way of thinking of yours is what gives rise to such discrimination and hate towards people of different nationalities."

Then the Japanese must be hateful bigoted bastards- they don't welcome in ANY terrorists. You must really hate them.

"I'm okay with the mentally stabled to own guns. It's cute how it's a right to keep and bear arms but having healthcare is a privilege. Priorities lol"

Owning a gun is a negative liberty- it implies the lack of infringement. But guaranteeing a 'right to healthcare' actually implies using violent force against peaceful individuals enable to extract money from them. Not a right.

Usagi's picture
Harry// Then the Japanese

Harry// Then the Japanese must be hateful bigoted bastards- they don't welcome in ANY terrorists. You must really hate them.

lol You are so cute. Japan is so overpopulated and small compared to the United States.

Harry// Owning a gun is a negative liberty- it implies the lack of infringement. But guaranteeing a 'right to healthcare' actually implies using violent force against peaceful individuals enable to extract money from them. Not a right.

Dude that doesn't even make sense. In Canada as long as the head of the house lives in the country for half the year it is their right to have healthcare. I haven't heard of any kind of violence being directed towards any of my Canadian family.

Harry33Truman's picture
Then how do they pay for the

Then how do they pay for the healthcare? By violently extracting money from people. They call it taxes.

Sky Pilot's picture
Harry Truman,

Harry Truman,

Why do you want to live in a Third World country? We are supposed to be a superpower so our standard of living should reflect that. People shouldn't be dying in the streets because they can't get the necessary medical care.

Harry33Truman's picture
Nope, Japan is an ethno state

Nope, Japan is an ethno state. They are nationalists who don't welcome in foreigners.

LogicFTW's picture
Taxes is not taken violently.

Taxes is not taken violently.

Dont pay them next year, nothing will happen.

However it will eventually end up coming due, with interest when they catch up with you, if you refuse to pay they just garnish your wages. No violence.

mykcob4's picture
Harry has never paid taxes

Harry has never paid taxes Logic. He doesn't know what he is talking about. he is parroting, regurgitating bullshit from rightwing propagandist!

Harry33Truman's picture
Whenever anyone dares to

Whenever anyone dares to disagree with your bullshit socialist propaganda, you say that THEY are just regurgitating "right wing propaganda." 'Theft is wrong? That's right wing propaganda!' Its called Sargon's Law , and you just proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I'm done talking to you, get a fucking argument or go home.

Harry33Truman's picture
Whenever anyone dares to

Whenever anyone dares to disagree with your bullshit socialist propaganda, you say that THEY are just regurgitating "right wing propaganda." 'Theft is wrong? That's right wing propaganda!' Its called Sargon's Law , and you just proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I'm done talking to you, get a fucking argument or go home.

Usagi's picture
Your problem is that you have

@ Harry ---Your problem is that you have a tiny penis and some little balls. haha just kidding! XD

Harry// Then how do they pay for the healthcare? By violently extracting money from people. They call it taxes.

Free healthcare works, it's just people that abuse the system. If you have a cold or the flu, stay away from the ER. That is what drives up the cost.

Harry// Nope, Japan is an ethno state. They are nationalists who don't welcome in foreigners.

The U.S. was founded on immigration, 55% of small businesses are a direct result of immigration. This is the reason why the U.S. is so prosperous, and for those who don't fit into that category, they do the jobs that you don't want to do. Again if the U.S was small and overpopulated by its own people, it would be wise to only let a small percentage of foreigners in. The U.S. wrote the Japanese Constitution BTW. Oh and I don't hate Japan. :)

jamiebgood1's picture
You crack me up Usagi :):):)

You crack me up Usagi :):):)
Great points on both healthcare and immigration.

mykcob4's picture
In this thread, Harry stated

In this thread, Harry stated that muslims aren't vetted before they come to this nation. The fact is that it takes no less than 2 years to be approved by the state department vetting process. This rigorous vetting process preceded Trump's illegal election.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/29/us/refugee-vetting-proces...
So Harry doesn't know what he is talking about. He doesn't know the real meaning of Liberal or ANY political Ideology.

Harry33Truman's picture
The New York Times, how

The New York Times, how reputable.

Can we stop with the conspiracy theories? I don't know hoe any times I have to tell you- Trump isnt illegitimate, the Russians didn't hack the election.

mykcob4's picture
The New York Times is one of

The New York Times is one of the most respected News Papers in the world. In the USA The only other newspaper that comes close to such an outstanding standard of journalistic excellence is The Washington Post.
The Russians DID hack the elections that isn't even a question anymore. The question is who and how the Trump campaign was involved.

Harry33Truman's picture
No it isn't a question- its a

No it isn't a question- its a conspiracy theory that Hillary Clinton made up. Both the New York Times and Washington Post are not credible at all anymore. Not from what I've seen.

mykcob4's picture
@Harry

@Harry
Now that is insane and right out of the FOX playbook.
Top Newspapers in the US
http://www.cision.com/us/2014/06/top-10-us-daily-newspapers/
http://www.onlinecollegecourses.com/2012/12/17/the-best-english-newspapers/

As far as all journalist are concerned the two best and most ethical journalist standard newspapers are
#1 The New York Times
#2 The Washington Post

jamiebgood1's picture
Exactly Mykcob4

Exactly Mykcob4
Harry doesn't know so many things. It might be best if you sit down Harry and google differently. Try " how to not sound ignorant when I don't know shit"
Immigrants have been experiencing insane amounts of interagations and disappointments when it comes to entering the us. Obama deported many illegals. Guns aren't safe so we need common sense laws. Hillary wasn't giving oral sex to mutilated vaginas. So much has been said and countered that I'm thinking Harry just likes to provoke. Sorry for being rude. I'll give myself a spanking.

LogicFTW's picture
It is a sad day when people

It is a sad day when people are taught that the New York Times is not a reputable newspaper. The Washington Post is the one the broke the original Watergate scandal, through journal excellence and the willingness to challenge a sitting president.

I half expect him to say Brietbart and infowars is the only two legitimate sources of news.

Sure, Washington Post and the New York times lean slightly left these days, but really they are mostly impartial, I seen both write articles pointing out Hilary Clinton's faults during the run up to the election. it just the far right, and its attack on media in general that is so far away from center, it makes NYT and WaPo seemingly left in comparison.

It comes back to people willing to swallow what they hear from these alternative fact news sites whole, with no basis or fact finding. Its like reading the national inquirer, believing bat boy is real, but worse.

Harry33Truman's picture
"I half expect him to say

"I half expect him to say Brietbart and infowars is the only two legitimate sources of news."

Breitbart is a Israeli pro-genital mutilation news source and info wars is hosted by this crazy guy who sells snake oil and somehow manages to get serious people on his show, like Jimmy Carter or Donald Trump, among others-

Harry33Truman's picture
"I half expect him to say

"I half expect him to say Brietbart and infowars is the only two legitimate sources of news."

Breitbart is a Israeli pro-genital mutilation news source and info wars is hosted by this crazy guy who sells snake oil and somehow manages to get serious people on his show, like Jimmy Carter or Donald Trump, among others-

Sky Pilot's picture
Harry Truman,

Harry Truman,

Do you have to double post? It's annoying. You can delete the second post if you make an inadvertent entry.

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