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A. By my definition which you

A. By my definition which you have not asked for, no.

B. Direct communication, no. Some members did help with a writing project. We used either One Drive or Google Drive to exchange the document.

C. I don't know anything about that. Most of the time I'm on campus using my university's wifi. As far as I know no one else is from Florida; but we have 80,000 students and faculty sharing the same networking equipment presumably.

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@Breezy

@Breezy

all 80,000 students + ??100's of staff do not use the same wifi/ip address. There is a lot more tracking then just simple ip addresses. Like it or not this site also connected with all the major social media entities, each with their own tracking. Unless you been very careful, AR website owners could rather easily detect sock puppets etc.

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I don't like to assume I was

I don't like to assume I was banned for personal reasons. But if tracking is as easy as you say, then it should be easy to prove or disprove that I have sock puppets. The mods have not given me that information, either in private or in public.

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@Nyarlathotep Is it not

@Nyarlathotep Is it not obvious the trolling has already begun again. When will he give a direct response to Sheldon's Question?

"What objective evidence do you have for the existence of your deity."

Breezy would not be so evasive or even allowed to troll as much if people simply held his feet to the fire and got him to answer simple questions directly. Yes breezy is a troll. We all know it. That isn't necessarily a bad thing. Rat Spit is a bit of a troll as well but at least he's funny.

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@OP by ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

@OP by ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy
Did not read rest of thread. (Woah that got long fast!)

What does SDA stand for? I know I could look it up, but perhaps you can give me more than just the words, by giving what they mean to you. Does not have to be long and detailed.

On a side note, you would probably like me if I was the sole mod/admin. I probably would not ban anyone except someone that spammed to forums. Or made a real threat against a person (indicated they knew personal information about an actual person and not just the sign on name.)

Me personally, you never bothered me much breezy. I even enjoyed some of the discussions we have had. We may disagree fairly strongly when it comes to the supernatural, but to me that is what makes it interesting. I have figured out for a while now I am not likely to change anyone's opinion pretty much no matter what, but discussion and debate can still be fun for me anyways.

 
 

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Seventh-Day Adventist; but I

Seventh-Day Adventist; but I'm not too sure what you mean by what these words mean to me.

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@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

Eh, I will rephrase, now that you identify as Seventh-Day Adventist, (something I fully admit I do not know too much about!) why do you identify as SDA? Was it the religion your family/peers practiced? Why are you SDA instead of say... roman catholic?

ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy's picture
My family is split between

My family is split between SDA's and Roman Catholics. I would say I'm SDA because its teachings make the most sense to me. For example, the idea that the biblical Sabbath is on Saturday instead of Sunday. Once we agree that this is the case, there's only about two churches I can choose from: SDA's and I think some Baptists also have Sabbath on Saturday.

The whole notion of death, souls and spirits that SDA's have always been in line with the things I've studied in psychology. Things like that wouldn't be the case if I was Baptist or any other denomination.

So I would say there are handful of beliefs that I have, which narrows down my options to just SDA.

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Why not create your own

Why not create your own religion then? That way you have more options then just SDA?

ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy's picture
The SDA church is rather

The SDA church is rather malleable with a diversity of opinions on any given topic. If there's a place that learned to enjoy debates, its been at church. I think most protestants (I could be wrong) view the individual as the author of their own religion. Each person is accountable to God alone. Churches are born mostly because we are a social species and seek out like-minded individuals.

I don't see the need to create a religion. Not only do my beliefs not have to match every other SDA's beliefs; but even if something serious comes up I'd rather reform the church the start from scratch.

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@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy
That is kind of cool, a highly malleable flexible religion. Certainly sounds better than most.

How do they deal with the general lack of cohesiveness? Is it a bit like atheist? Where we are united in being atheist, but that's it?

People that identify as atheist may have similar interest/thoughts but the only thing that truly unites atheist is that they are well, atheist (not theist.)

So is there a leader in SDA? Is there a few select individuals everyone listens to, a book people read (but perhaps only choose what ever they like to actually believe/incorporate?

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I wouldn't say it's like

I wouldn't say it's like atheism. It's generally easier, I would assume, to bond over shared beliefs than the absence of belief. SDAs do share a lot of beliefs. For one, we're all Christians, that believe Saturday is the Sabbath. Where differences exist are usually in the details, which are often on a spectrum between conservative and liberal outlooks on topics.

I think there's a president of the church. But it's more of an organizational role than a spiritual figure. There's definitely a culture that's born whenever groups are formed, so there are popular pastors that everyone has heard of or listens to, but none that are mandated.

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@John and Logic Re: SDA

@John and Logic Re: SDA

...*elbows on table*... *forearms upright*... *resting chin on heels of hands*... Well, I'm learning something new today. Neat.... *continuing to follow conversation*...

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I think the movie Hacksaw

I think the movie Hacksaw Ridge is probably the most public exposure I've seen the SDA church get. I typically refer to that movie when I'm asked about the church.

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Kellogg's Corn Flakes were

Kellogg's Corn Flakes were invented by Will Kellogg, a member of the SDA.

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@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy
Why Saturday? (Or even sunday really?)

Feel free to tell me to just go look up SDA if you want, but I am still curious on your personal take, as I am talking to you instead of SDA members in general.

While the origins of the 7 day week is not clear, many agree it got its origin from ancient Babylonians 1-2k years BC. And it was based on the at time 7 heavenly bodies that could be seen at the time. (the Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Saturn) That babylonians held in reverence.

Then there is the 7 day "creation" story most abrahamic religions use and plagiarized.

What makes Saturday the "holy day" the day (Sabbath?) Is it supposed to be a day of rest and religious observance instead of sunday? Why that day? Do you SDA guys just rearrange it so that Sunday is the start of the week instead of Monday?

Ultimately I am asking why does it matter you celebrate/take a special day every 7 days? Or is it just a convenient number to agree to set aside to organize for a particular religion idea? That convening every 7 days (52ish times a year.) What is the religious significance of 7? Or is it still just borrowed from ancient babylonians favorite number?

To me the Gregorian calendar or the systems it is based on is ancient tech that is badly outdated and we should not even have "7 day weeks" at all. It makes zero sense except to cultures of limited means two to four thousand years ago! The 7 day week is ancient inaccurate measure of time that even all abrahamic religions did not "invent." Christianity and just about every major religion today would do well to abandon this 7 day thing. Except they cant... (Hah isn't that irony!) because then they would badly contradict themselves.. AGAIN!

----rant---- (feel free to skip the rest of this post if not interested.)

        A rant on how we measure time:

To me, a math and reality guy, the current gregorian calendar needs to die a painful death. It causes so many problems.
We could make how we keep time so much better and easier for ourselves.

All we need is to mark the passage of time we can agree on for these measurements of time to be useful. We should have evolved beyond solar/lunar/earth rotation cycles as these measures of time once useful now prove to be problematic and we have a greater need for higher accuracy.

- A solar year is on average: 365 days 5 hours 48 minutes
- A lunar month is on average: 29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes
- A earth "day" is supposed to be exactly 24 hours, (the day divided into 24 segments) but actually is: 23 hours and 56 minutes.
But: since we now define the hour based on minutes and seconds, and we define seconds based on atomic clocks (to have greater accuracy in measurement.) Which means as the earth's rotation slows down, this number will change. A million years from now a day will be 17 seconds longer then at current rates, a billion years and it will be 17,000 seconds longer! Approaching 5 hours longer than a day is today!

Can't we go "metric" on this? Or will people just refuse to change even if it is for the better because it requires adjustment/change?

I agree we need to keep the earth rotation (day) cycle and the earth's orbit around the sun cycle as these base measures convey useful information like sun location in a sky and seasons.

Divide a day into increments of 10, (to coincide with our 10 base math system) 10 hours to a day, 10 minutes to an hour, 10 seconds to a minute, and then an increment of time close to our actual second that unfortunately cannot be a perfect "10 divisible" but we would rarely have to use it unless we needed high precision. A sort of "atomic" second that is close to what we describe as a second now, (roughly 86.4 "atomic" seconds to a second.) If you needed to nuke your microwave dinner for 3 minutes (180 atomic seconds) in this new system it would take just shy of 2 seconds in this new system. We could even divide the new "second" even further to a "deci" (1/10th) second if more precision is needed.

Cool thing is most of us have access to a computer in our pocket that could easily convert this as we adjusted to the new reality. But would not take long for most of us to adopt, just like the metric system.

The "year" also badly needs an update, arguably even more so. Based on ancient measurements it is mostly garbage. Get rid of the lunar time measure entirely, it is not needed only a few things that does not concern 90+% of the population is tied to the lunar cycle.

Again, splitting of the year into segments is needed to make the mark of time useful. However we run into real trouble with coinciding the amount of earth revolutions on its axis to earth's orbit around the sun. It simply does not divide evenly. 365.24 earth rotations as it orbits around the sun. And worse, as mentioned above earth's rotations are steadily getting slower which mean as time goes on this number will steadily change.

Getting rid of the lunar component will help, (yay no more "months" or "weeks!") 360 factors nicely. Evenly divisible by so many numbers we could order day time segments in a number of ways that make it easy to grasp and split up. Just add a special week at the end of the "year" that is 5 days long (6 days every 4 years.) Want to keep 12 months? But want those months to actually make sense? (Who can tell me easily off the top of their head how many days are in every month 2 years from now under the current system?) Sure no problem 12 divided evenly into 360, 30! Every month has exactly 30 days, no more no less! Want to further divided it using that system of months? Make a week 10 days, every month has exactly 3 weeks! This would not be hard, this would be EASY, especially for the new generation of people that have not had to try (and most likely fail) memorizing the current gregorian calendar system.

Or go about it differently, 10 months a year, 36 days a month, 4 "weeks" of 8 days.

How about something that makes sense? Lets divided it into 4's for the seasons? 80 days per season The end of the year can be winter solstice, (summer solstice for those in the southern hemisphere,) Each week is 10 days, so 8 weeks per season. Could even split up the extra 5 days up, 2 days at winter solstice (end and start of the year), 1 day for every other equinox or solstice.

Sound like too much work? Maybe, I do not not hold the "masses" to high esteem on tackling this change, but! think of the benefits!

I know this is unlikely to happen anytime soon, but I would love to see the howls of all the various religions that tie their ideas so closely to the badly outdated and hardly workable Gregorian based calendar.

To me it is far past time to detach our measurement of time from badly outdated ancient religious babble that makes no sense and makes everything much more complicated than it needs to be.

 
 

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"Do you SDA guys just

"Do you SDA guys just rearrange it so that Sunday is the start of the week instead of Monday?

It may be the case that I've been in an SDA bubble my entire life; but as far as I'm aware Sunday has always been the first day of the week. It might not be the start of the work week; but I was under the impression most people viewed Sunday as the first day of the week. Every calendar I've seen starts with Sunday.

"What makes Saturday the holy day"

The observance is supposed to have begun at creation. The story is that God created the earth in six days and rested the seventh. Moreover its one of the ten commandments. So most of Christianity agrees that the Sabbath is essential to the religion. In fact, I think many Christians agree the Sabbath was originally Saturday. or 7th day of the week. But I think Catholics and the rest of protestants believe it was changed to Sunday as a celebration of the resurrection.

So there shouldn't be anything controversial about the Sabbath or it being Saturday; the Jewish religion from which Christianity emerged also keeps the Sabbath on Saturday. Where the difference emerges is that I disagree it was ever changed to Sunday. I view that as the result of paganism creeping in to the catholic church way back in the day.

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I hear what you are saying.

@Breezy
I hear what you are saying.

I guess the point I was trying to drive at, and I failed to do this well, is why every 7 days? You state because of the creation story. 6 days of creation 7th day of rest. That last day, the day of rest, for you falls on a saturday. (That's fine! To me the day does not really matter, but why does it matter to people that pick that " 7th"day as special holy day?)

If I recall correctly from previous conversations (feel free to correct me!) you do not think the "7 day creation story" corresponds to 7 actual earth rotation days, (7 complete rotations of the earth's axis.) And is more of a subjective: the first 1/7 of time god did this, the 2nd 1/7th of time god did that, etc etc.

I assume because many SDA consider saturday (last day of the week) to be the holy day. But it is not really some sort of consistent marker of time right?

(When pope Gregory 8th instituted the gregorian calendar, he corrected the calendar drift by adding 10 days. This plus probably other events means that the 7 day week does not correspond perfectly. (When abrahamic religions first arose, if they kept a strict every 7 days, it turns out you are having holy day (to them) on say wednesday (to them) instead of saturday. Accuracy on the days was lost. But does it even matter when the 7 days (based on earth rotation) has little to do with the 7 .."days but not really days" talked about in creation?

In short why is the "day" saturday the holy day? It corresponds to nothing due to loss of accuracy and corrections several times and the "day" spoken of in creation has little if anything to do with what we call "a day" (rotation of the earth's axis) Is it more just worship of the number 7 an inconvenient number! and we dedicate a whole day of worship to the number 7 (but don't care about multiples of 7 accuracy even if many followers of this holy day are not aware that accuracy on multiples of 7 has been lost long ago?)

Does it ever bother you that "holy" day is based on 3-4 thousand year old babylonian astrologist? And they got it "wrong?" They just really liked the number 7?

 
 

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Hmm no; my belief is that,

Hmm no; my belief is that, regardless of whether or not its true, scripture is speaking about 7 literal days of creation. Or at the very least the events that took place within each day are attributed the entire day.

Assuming everything you're saying about calendars is correct, which I have no way of verifying. The first two questions that come to mind is how do the actions of Pope Gregory affect the Jewish religion and culture which predates it? In other words, if your claim is that Pope Gregory affected the accuracy of the calendar, does the accuracy persists outside of Pope Gregory's reach? If so, then keeping the Sabbath on the same days the Jewish religion does, solves the accuracy problem.

My second question is, in what way were those ten days added? We add days to the calendar every few years, but that addition typically affects the monthly count, not the weekly sequence. My guess is that it didn't affect the weekly rotation, given that its the pope, which presumably believes the weekly rotation is divine.

As to your final question. I would say I'm unbothered by whether it originated 3,000 or 300,000 years ago, as it doesn't really affect the significance of it. However, given that you are also claiming it originate by Babylonian astrologers that liked the number 7, you are inevitably claiming it doesn't have origins that Christianity believes it has. So I would be bothered depending on how well you are able to defend that statement.

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@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

scripture is speaking about 7 literal days of creation.

What is a literal day? A completion rotation of the earth on its axis today? God created earth in 6 days (144 hours, or 8640 minutes or 518,000 seconds? (A second being based on atomic clock seconds?)

How does that jive with how many seconds before there was in a day before the atomic clock? How long ago did god create everything? Was earth created 4.5 billion years ago? The average time for the earth to rotate on its axis is but a fraction of the amount of "atomic seconds" as it is today. Even a mere billion years ago the earth rotated in 23 hours not 24. Or are we going to go with a more vague "day meaning roughly 24 hours based on atomic clock seconds?

Assuming everything you're saying about calendars is correct, which I have no way of verifying.

I think simple reasoning and logic would dictate that at some point in the last 2000+ years the order has been lost. Or started wrong. Making "holy day" a random day, not tied to anything specific, might as well throw a dart at the board and say this day will be considered the last day of the week, and we will call it "saturday." The day itself has no real significance whatsoever other than some humans decided this day and every 7th day after that we do a day of rest like the story of god and creation.

Pope Gregory affect the Jewish religion and culture which predates it? In other words, if your claim is that Pope Gregory affected the accuracy of the calendar, does the accuracy persists outside of Pope Gregory's reach?

Yes it does because most of the world follows the gregorian calendar. Even me as an atheist does.

If so, then keeping the Sabbath on the same days the Jewish religion does, solves the accuracy problem.

It doesn't because we have no way of knowing. if anytime in the last 2000+ years if that accuracy was lost. 2000 years is a long time for something to go wrong, its not like "god" keeps track of time for us or could possibly correct it if somewhere along the lines humans screwed it up.

Not sure on that, I can try to look it up from more scholarly sources. But the purpose of the gregorian calendar was in large part to restore accuracy, equinox and solstice was increasingly becoming days and days off. The whole 365.24 days in a year messed everyone up when people thought there was exactly 365 days to a year, and that year matched perfectly with the solar year. You do have a point about the pope considering the week rotation divine, I suppose he just added the days to that particular year, just making that year 375 days long instead of 365, (I don't think the 365 day has been considered divine in popular religions at the time including christianity.) Funny considering some people consider the 7 days to be divine, but not the solar year, even though much emphasis has always been placed on how many "years" people have been alive.

Of course this points to the plagiarism that just about every religion does. Borrowing ideas from the past and building on them. Stuff like this should make anyone suspicious of any detail in any religion, knowing it was all built upon slightly different religious ideas people had 100's or 1000's of years before a particular religion was formed.

So I would be bothered depending on how well you are able to defend that statement.

I am no ancient human history scholar, I just read about the 7 day week on the net. Like everything 1000's of years ago, in general this stuff is very tough to verify. We do have real evidence Babylonian's loved the number 7, through excavated artifacts, and plenty of evidence that the 7 day week predates christianity and possibly even all abrahamic religions. Even learning about the days sunday through saturday is actually quite interesting.

 
 

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"What is a literal day?"

"What is a literal day?"

I'm under the impression that a day does refer to the period of time corresponding to a full rotation of the earth around its axis. That segment of time can be measure, presumably, any way you wish: hours, minutes, etc. I have no issues agreeing on vaguely 24 hours, since the exact length of time is presumably not vague, only our attempts to be precise after the events occurred.

"I think simple reasoning and logic would dictate that at some point in the last 2000+ years the order has been lost."

That doesn't sound like simple reason and logic to me; it sounds like an assumption awaiting verification. I have no issues with that, as long as you don't stop at the assumption and neglect the verification. Has something like that happened in recent history that we can use as an example? Where everyone forgets what day it is; or is unaware that it changed when it did?

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Unfortunately I think that's

Unfortunately I think that's the problem. In modern history with a very large population that is acutely aware of what day it is, it would be near impossible to lose track of even a single day.

But back when the concepts and ideas of a "week" and keeping regular schedule was born, back when the followers of any type abrahamic religion numbered less than 1000, and most people never even heard of a week, then, yes it seems very plausible accuracy was lost.

Even if you believe in young earth hypothesis, you have to admit there was 1000's of years where human record keeping of days could of easily been lost. At one point somebody came up with the idea of a week, and the idea stuck over other ideas that were lost. Since it is likely the "week" predates all of christianity, that means the idea was borrowed from somewhere else, and whoever wrote genesis and the creation story (or possibly edited/updated it later) borrowed the possibly most popular concept of the time of the 7 day week writing it.

As far as I know no one claims "god" wrote the bible or whatever holy book, only the vague "divinely inspired." And this should be exceedingly obvious, ancient original religious text read like what bronze age humans would write, instead of what some great being would write or divinely inspire.

Thing is we don't know, and that's the point. Either way we have no way of knowing if the 7 day week is any way accurate to biblical events like creation.

Even the 6 days of creation seems rather silly. You state that yes the 6 days of creation plus a 7th rest day. (why would god need a day of rest???) roughly follows what we humans consider a day. Have you considered this?

I forget if you believe if the universe is 14 billion years old or not.. but anyways, here is hoping you do...

THEN after god created everything and let the universe "evolve" eventually (perhaps gods plan) earth gets formed billions of years later, then earth does it thing for 4.5 billion years, until humans came along, then after 100's of thousands of years of humans, he decides ya know what, I am now going to go down to some small remote part of the earth for a short period of time, and actually interact with humans, divinely inspire them to read books, and oh, I planned all along that this planet where humans are at that I interact with, is going to spin on its axis in the same 1/7th segments it took me to create everything and "rest" after. And explain to these humans that every 7th day is a day of rest and should be holy day where you my special little creations in 1 tiny remote part of the universe and one tiny remote part of the planet in this tiny tiny! slice of time.

Explain to me how that sounds in any way reasonable? It sounds INSANE to me. It sounds like something people 2000+ years ago would dream up when trying to explain to others how the world works.

I could go on and on, I could easily write a 400 page book on all the issues and problems arise in just one of the various religion creation stories.

 
 

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"Even if you believe in young

"Even if you believe in young earth hypothesis, you have to admit there was 1000's of years where human record keeping of days could of easily been lost.

I don't agree for a few reasons. First, because the weekly rotation is unaffected by the rest of the calendar; it is isolated from any issues that emerge elsewhere. You can skip a month, forget the year, and Saturday is still followed by Sunday. The same isn't true if today we forget its the 29th and say its the 30th. From that point on, every month and every year that follows is early by a day.

Given that the rest of the calender corresponds to celestial events, like the phases of the moon, or the seasons, the calendar is essentially written in the stars. Its a form of cognitive offloading, the way we offload the time to our watch. So the only thing that needs to be remembered is the day of the week, which doesn't correspond the any celestial event. My point being, if people needed to actively remember the day, the month, the year, and the week, then those are items that push the limits of memory and can lead to errors; instead, they are free to focus on the week. Seven is a comfortable number to keep track of in memory (I can send you some papers on memory if you're interested). The same would not be true if we had to remember a 10 or 13 day week.

Lastly, given that there is a religious motive to keeping track of the week. There is a lot of incentive to remembering, and a lot of issues with forgetting. Specially if you're in a strict society where you can get stoned for forgetting the Sabbath. So, though not impossible, I have little reason to suspect the accuracy was lost.

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You did not directly answer

You did not directly answer how old you think the earth/universe is. But fortunately whether you think earth/universe is only 6000 years old or 14 billion the answer is the same.

Do you think humans have had the 7 day concept from the beginning? I suppose you do if you think your particular god idea is real and the universe was created in 7 days.

So... god explained it to what, the first humans he created?

And then these people with no access to anything except perhaps making scratches on a rock followed the 7 day thing because god told them to? That these humans may have betrayed and rebelled against god but kept the 7 day concept intact, day after day for thousands upon thousands of years, never failing once? Never falling to calamity similar to the decline of the library of alexandria where enormous amount of written information was lost especially in a fire during the civil war around Caesars time?

Christianity does not even appear in our history until roughly 2-3 thousand years ago (has to be vague because the religion itself is so vague.) All these false idols and gods that ruled the day before christianity came along never bothered to change it for their false gods?

C'mon seriously! It does not occur to you at all the possibility that the day of the week accuracy has not been lost? Even the very words have been constantly changing, we obviously don't all call it: Sunday, monday tues.. etc. There is even a large difference of opinion on which day is the start of the week! None of this suggests to you the real possibility that accuracy at one point was lost?

We are back in the territory of impossible to prove eithir way, but one thing we do know is humans are fallible, VERY fallible, open to suggestion open to change open to influences beyond their control.

We can't even agree on what "year" it is.

I think the claim that accuracy was kept for thousands of years is an ENORMOUS claim, where as the claim that accuracy was lost somewhere along the way is a pretty small step knowing what we know about ourselves, humans.

To think you have little reason to suspect this, to me speaks of a mind that is closed down and just accepts what it is told without question. Pretty much exactly where many various religions want you to be at. Not even questioning any possible error within the religion.

 
 

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@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

Have you ever killed?

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@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

@ʝօɦn 6lX ɮʀeeʐy

Why don't you answer a question asking whether you have ever killed?

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Didn't see it; yes I've

Didn't see it; yes I've killed.

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If everyone in Class A is

If everyone in Class A is called Tom, Thomas or Tommy, and every second boy in Class B is called Tim, Timothy or Timmy...

What the fuck is going on?!

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Are you still beating your

Are you still beating your wife?

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If a non-atheist posts in the

@ Breezy

If a non-atheist posts in the Athiest Hub (the section that "is open to atheists only"), is that a violation of the rules? Warning: If you answer anything other than yes; I will take that as a refusal to agree to abide by the rules of this forum. Or rephrased: there is plenty of room for disagreements on this forum, but there will be no disagreement about following the rules. You will agree to the rules, or you will be removed.
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Have you ever told someone (or bragged or whatever) about how you trolled an AR user?
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Since you have refused to repudiate your past behavior, why do you think you deserve special treatment?

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