Atheism in a nutshell

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Tin-Man's picture
COG!!!! Oh, you ASSHOLE!!!...

COG!!!! Oh, you ASSHOLE!!!.... *wiping tears from my eyes*.... I just spent the last ten minutes at my kitchen table laughing uncontrollably while my coffee kept getting colder and colder!.... *blowing nose*.... *wiping away more tears*.... Then my wife started looking at me as if I was going insane, so I tried reading your posts out loud to her.... *wiping sweat from forehead*... Bad idea on my part! Only made it worse! Now the cats are scared to come near me!... *takes sip of tepid coffee*... Thanks a lot, you sorry bastard!.... *looking out kitchen window*.... What the hell??? Did I just see a dog with a pig nose and bald ass run across my back yard???

arakish's picture
Although she has attempted to

Although she has attempted to delete herself, if she were still around, this is how I would have responded to "(not verified)" formerly "Magnificent Beast". I know this may do no good, but who knows, she may slink back in here and read the posts anonymously. Sometimes I do this.

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Maggie,

You asked for it, here it is.

Maggie: "OH, Logic, don't mind me. Old Man has clearly shown me that it was perfectly fine. And he should know, right? Like he said, everyone is a grown-up around here, so if someone wants to kill themselves because of something some else posted, then that's okay, right? Free speech and all that. And clearly, as Old Man said, I am not the forum police and there are hard working Mods here."

I am sure LogicFTW did not mind you. In the 10+ hours since your post, he ain't responded. As for someone committing suicide because of something I wrote in a post, that is not my fault. If that person can't find the inner strength to continue living, then the fault is their's. Look at what I have been through in my life. Yet, I am still here. You cannot even imagine the number of times I contemplate suicide myself. And to give you a hint, it is more than once per day. Yet, I have found the inner strength to continue living. And to be perfectly and wholly honest, even I do not know where I find that strength. Besides, re-read how LogicFTW wrote what you are bitching about.

LogicFTW: I think everyone has proof that killing is objectively bad. It is an irreversible action one inflictions upon another that causes loss of life to the person. If you truly believe that killing is not bad, then you must objectively also think that commiting suicide is not bad. I am not suggesting you commit suicide right now, but if you think suicide is not bad, why have you not "tried it?"

If that ain't logical sarcasm, then please tell me what is. If a person read that and committed suicide, then they were so ready to do so, that nothing would have stopped them. If it is a trigger for you, then perhaps you are the one who needs to seek counseling/therapy to find out why it is such a trigger for you.

And, get over yourself. You are starting to act like a Gestapo.

Maggie: "My professional background tells me that you guys are CLUELESS about the effect your words have on other people. Don't assume that everyone here is balanced, and not having real issues. But that's on you."

Doctor, heal thyself. Everyone has issues. Are there any mirrors where you live?

And most of all, I am the "poster child" when it comes to know how words can affect other people. If I could remember all the nasty, horrible, terrible, and heinous things the Religious Absolutists have said to me, you would crawl home to mommy. Yet, I persevered. I continued to purposefully force them to say such abusive words against me. Want to know why? Because I was secretly hoping the other children would see those sorry pieces of human filth for what they truly were. And to prove this, I have had quite a few of my former Sunday School classmates look me up, find me, and tell me that it was because "of your willingness to endure such torture at such a young age, it has made me an atheist." Now how is that for intelligence for you. A child that actually had enough intelligence to endure such torture in, as it appeared back then, a hopeless campaign to show what Religious Absolutists truly are.

And it is completely astonishing that when they told they became atheists later because of what I did as child that those suppressed memories did not surface then. I guess the love of a "good" family that can keep them suppressed.

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Maggie: "You are absolutely right, Old Man. I've cancelled my account because I don't want to waste my time, either."

Aww... Had too many spankings?

Maggie: "Did it ever dawn you, ever, ever, even whisper in your ear that perhaps, just perhaps, mentioning suicide in his post was a trigger for ME?? OR are you that clueless, too. I've tried it twice."

Tried what twice? A trigger for you? Then perhaps you truly need to look inside thyself and figure out why. Once you know why something is a trigger, then you can face it head-on and whoop its ass. Like I have done. And do every day.

Maggie: "You guys are so full of it. You bark about how smart you are not to be a Theist and you can't even be aware of how your words affect others."

And I shall be the first to admit that I am so full of it I have to get some of it out. Else I'll explode. And I am aware of how words can affect others. You should have listened to the bullshit the Religious Absolutists have said to me during my entire life of abuse and persecution and discrimination and torture at their hands. I am simply returning the favor. And as I have said, I now take what Christopher Hitchens and Stephen Fry have said to heart. Although paraphrased, with mine own added, this is my summation.

In my many decades of life, I have learned that it is completely impossible to say anything of substance without offending someone, somewhere, sometime. Want to know something? As Stephen Fry said, "So the fuck what?" If I say anything and anyone finds it offensive, then the problem is them. Only YOU can give a word, phrase, sentence the power to offend YOU. And if you do not like the fact that the problem is you, "So the fuck what?" I am no longer going to police what I say, especially in this current heinous society and their Political Correctness bullshit. Political Correctness is nothing more than a hypothesis created by heartless and cruel persons who forcefully spread their agenda by using an uncaring and unscrupulous media in the belief that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by its clean end.

And if you can't get over it, "So the fuck what?" Your problem, not mine. Obversely, if you were to say something I find offensive, then that is my problem, not yours.

Maggie: "The reason why Old Man says there are so many trolls now, is because YOU GUYS KEEP RESPONDING TO THEM. But that's on you."

Because we like to have fun. What's wrong with that?

Maggie: "No wonder you guys have such issues. LOL my goodness, no wonder!"

Yep. And having a person like you to Gestapo all over our asses is one of the reasons.

rmfr

Cognostic's picture
At least you didn't mention

At least you didn't mention pig sex in your post. OH FK! I said it! Where in the hell is that dog? Anyone know if the keyboard and mouse on a computer are waterproof. I know the screen it. Sorry, gotta go. I'll be back in 7 minutes.

Cognostic's picture
If you want to kill your self

If you want to kill your self, one reason is as good as another. People who hear the word suicide are not "triggered." They do not go into depression or try to kill themselves. If that were the case there would be a warning on the front cover of every dictionary ever printed. WARNING: If you are triggered by the word "SUICIDE" do not read this book." :-) There is no magic connection between what one person says and the reaction of another person. If she is triggered.... it is her issue and no one else's.

Randomhero1982's picture
Fuck me, that escalated

Fuck me, that escalated quickly lol

Personally, I found no issue with Logic's comment, it was laid our fine and wasn't a request nor command.

It was simply a question you would expect within the domain of a sodding debate forum.

Cognostic's picture
Well. if you weren't so

Well. if you weren't so damned reasonable you would have realized words like suicide and pig sex are triggers for some ..... oh fk! I said it again, I will be back in 7 minutes.

Randomhero1982's picture
I'll fetch a mop, you filthy

I'll fetch a mop, you filthy beast.

LogicFTW's picture
@Thread

@Thread

Hah got a few good laughs from some of post in this thread including the most recent replies above this one.

I do appreciate the support from everyone here. In my own mind I thought I was in no way triggering, and by and large I rely on only my intuition and thoughts as they rarely lead me astray, but I always like to measure my own thoughts with others to see their perspective and perhaps amend my own if they can point out a reasonable error.

I can think of quite a few movies and tv series that I feel could be quite triggering, to a far greater extent than anything that could be possibly written here, and these movies and series are released to enormous world wide audiences, with every second of various scenes carefully edited for exact emotional effect, if these professionals of a large media platform release material like that, I feel, everyone on these forums and myself do not need to "operate scared" of any possible mention of anything that could remotely be construed as triggering. Despite all that, I still will frequently tone down some points on any highly potentially emotional topics simply because I do not wish to harm with my words anyone here, including theist or people that attack me directly.

 
 

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Cognostic's picture
FFS LOGIC: Stop being so

FFS LOGIC: Stop being so kind. Go back and read some of my posts. If anyone is triggering anything around here it's me. How often do I lampoon silly posts? I care squat about triggering someone. I have never read anything offensive or off color from you and I would have known cuz I look for stuff like that.

Did you see the woman from India at the comedy show? MB reminded me of her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypaOfhiqn0o

Sheldon's picture
Your patience does you credit

Your patience does you credit. I wish could muster half as much, when yet another gullible halfwit with all the charm of a mass grave, is aiming yet another sententious lecture at me on the stupidity of doubting archaic bronze age superstitions about magic apples and talking snakes, in favour of...gasp...empirical objective evidence.

LogicFTW's picture
@Sheldon

@Sheldon

It is not all patience, I gain from the interactions, both from possibly learning how people minds operate, but there is also some more selfish reasons I am willing to admit to, that I am aware of.

I like debating with theist. In some ways I feel debate/argument is a competition of who is "better" and/or who is "right." (that is not the only point of debate/argument but it is a big part of it.) There are few topics that are easier to "win" then the: is there a "god" or not argument.

The fact there is no "god" (as commonly defined) and that all major religions that I know anything about is nonsense, is: really obvious to me. It is really simple and my confidence in the fact is very high. Not only do I feel I can easily "wreck" any and all theist arguments, but I can run circles around them. Even more satisfying and possibly amusing to me: frequently the theist apologist has no idea this is even occurring, to the point the theist may even walk away thinking they won the debate/argument.

The core: "there is no god" is so strong and powerful, and my advantage so great in these debates, I can let the theist even pick any and all possible battlegrounds, even ones they think they have a large advantage in. They can steer the debate conversation down whichever avenue, where there may possibly by a challenge, and at anytime I can press the "I win button." Of actual reality based on basic child like logic, reasoning and evidence. And the more I do it, the easier it gets. The basic theist arguments can be boiled down to derivations of perhaps half a dozen arguments I have heard and countered many times now.

An analogy would be: I am a professional arm wrestler with a body/arm that is exceptionally well suited to win an arm wrestling contest, where tiny adults weighing less than 100 pounds and do not arm wrestle and do not do any sort of even light physical activity with their arms/bodies saying: "hey you want to arm wrestle? I am confident that I could beat you in arm wrestling!" Where depending on my mood and amusement levels, I let them try, for further amusement I would allow them to pick where and how the arm wrestle will occur, and they may even at times think they are winning, but the true reality is if they actually understood the way armwrestling works, their possibility of "victory" was none, the reality is the strength of my arm (argument) is so overwhelming, at any time I could simply toss the entire person's body in any direction I wish completing the downward backward swing of the person's arm to pin it. Much like an adult could "win" an arm wrestle with a 1 month old baby. And the baby would not even realize it lost or even the true parameters of the match.

I think it is important to again repeat, the above is not the only reason I am here, and not the only reason I debate, learning is a big part of it as well as other things like chatting with like minded people, but it definitely plays a role in why I am here and also plays a large role in my patience.
 
 

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Sheldon's picture
I agree or course, that the

I agree or course, that the effort of examinging an argument, and counteringit isa useful exercise, and have said the same thing more than once myself.

Re-examining theistic arguments even when it's the same tired old cliches , delivered in an arrogant objectionable and condescending tone, can still be useful if done objectively. I contacted more, and have donectjis myself. This doesn't stop me admiring the patience with which you executed the task.

We seem to have had a run or infestation of apologists lately, whosewoeful apologetics, and arrogant sweeping intransigence makes the task a little less appealing, that's all. It started with Someone, and his mind numbing nonsensical bilge about human consciousness. It just seems to be a new apologists now every day, but with the same core argument, that objective empirical evidence and the scientific method are worthless, because they can evidence any deity.

Talk about shooting the messenger.

arakish's picture
@ Sheldon

@ Sheldon

What are you talking about? I have seen you demonstrate monstrous amounts of patience with some of the half-wits who visit here. Far, FAR!, more patience that I have. Don't sell yourself short dude.

rmfr

Sheldon's picture
There you go again with the

There you go again with the iron clad logic and reasoned arguments. Have you been on a course or something? Only if you have that's not really fair as this is a debate forum, and it would give you an advantage.

FWIW I agree, I read it as Logic asking a hypothetical question, not making a suggestion. As for Cog, *PIG PORN* what the fuck dude?? Mussttt nottt Google thatttt.....evvverrrrr.....arghhhh!!!!

Tin-Man's picture
@Sheldon Re: "As for Cog,

@Sheldon Re: "As for Cog, *PIG PORN* what the fuck dude?? Mussttt nottt Google thatttt.....evvverrrrr.....arghhhh!!!!"

Awww, DAMMIT, Man!!!.... *picking self up from floor*... Stop that!... *wiping tears from eyes*.... You guys are killing me!... *trying to catch breath*.... Shit. Totally did NOT see that coming..... *looking out window*.... Damn, there goes that poor little dog with a pig nose again....

Sheldon's picture
It's all right for you, it's

It's all right for you, it's my ISP who's just sent my details to the fucking police.

Pig pork ffs, my mother's gonna love that in the local paper.

Kataclismic's picture
Atheism in a nutshell:

Atheism in a nutshell:

You don't worship Ra as the sun deity, so you are the atheist.

Cognostic's picture
Hey guys? What do you think

Hey guys? What do you think that hamster would look like with a pig nose on it? I like hamsters. Hamsters are small and soft. Kataclismic? Can I borrow your hamster?

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Cog

@ Cog

7 minutes? You having a shower and making yourself a BLT after? You would still have 1min 30 secs to spare....

Tin-Man's picture
@Old Man Re: 7 minutes

@Old Man Re: 7 minutes

He's very romantic and likes foreplay. Don't rush self-love. A man has to respect himself in the morning.... and afternoon.... and during dinner.... and at the coffee shop... and in the airport restroom.... and in the neighbor's back yard.... and at the movie theater.... and on -........

Cognostic's picture
Tears flowing from my eyes on

Tears flowing from my eyes on that one..... Hey! Tears can be used for lubricant! I'll be back in seven minutes. I am sure that dog is dead. He is not even swatting away the flies and when I put his tail in the socket, the entire house went black - hey romantic if you look at it just the right way..;.. I gotta go.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ TM

@ TM

Ah, so now I get why he doesn't change his bedsheets, just buys new, snaps the old ones in half.then half again and chucks them away...

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