Bible prophecy

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Bible prophecy

I have recently read some verses In Isaiah and Ezekiel the predicted that the jews will be scattered and that they will return to their promise land. So is this authentic or is there more than meets the eye?

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Nyarlathotep's picture
JacobCorneluis - jews will be

JacobCorneluis - jews will be scattered and that they will return to their promise land

Well they certainly haven't returned to the promised land yet; as I know lots of Jewish people who live locally.

Sky Pilot's picture
Give it another 9,000 years.

Give it another 9,000 years. If it hasn't happened by then chances are it won't happen at all.

Doesn't the Bible say that prophecies have to happen during the prophet's lifetime?

Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (TLB) = "20 But any prophet who falsely claims that his message is from me shall die. And any prophet who claims to give a message from other gods must die.’ 21 If you wonder, ‘How shall we know whether the prophecy is from the Lord or not?’ 22 this is the way to know: If the thing he prophesies doesn’t happen, it is not the Lord who has given him the message; he has made it up himself. You have nothing to fear from him."

SBMontero's picture
What verses of Isaac and

What verses of Isaac and Ezekiel exactly? I trust you... well, neither... but I've read Isaac and Ezekiel and I've not read anything like it. And in some verse of Nostradamus you've not read anything about? It's for joining prophetic efforts.

Didn't I tell you yesterday that you read history and science? Why do you think we have to give credibility to a book that contains oral traditions from four thousand years ago and a series of gospels that contradict each other written by Greeks in the second century, with the exception of John, about things that didn't happen in Roman Judea?

And worse, Why do you do it? Ôo)-~

Sky Pilot's picture
Isaac isn't a book in the

Isaac isn't a book in the Bible.

Try Ezekiel 36:9-11 (CEV) = "9 I will take care of you by plowing your soil and planting crops on your fertile slopes. 10 The people of Israel will return and rebuild your ruined towns and live in them. 11 Children will be born, and animals will give birth to their young. You will no longer be deserted as you are now, but you will be covered with people and treated better than ever. Then you will know that I am the Lord."

Ezekiel 37:11-13 (TLB) = "11 Then he told me what the vision meant: “These bones,” he said, “represent all the people of Israel. They say: ‘We have become a heap of dried-out bones—all hope is gone.’ 12 But tell them, ‘The Lord God says: My people, I will open your graves of exile and cause you to rise again and return to the land of Israel. 13 And, then at last, O my people, you will know I am the Lord."

Ezekiel 38:12 (TLB) ="I will go to those once-desolate cities that are now filled with people again—those who have returned from all the nations—and I will capture vast amounts of loot and many slaves. For the people are rich with cattle now, and the whole earth revolves around them!”

Isaiah 11:10-12(TLB) = "10 In that day he who created the royal dynasty of David will be a banner of salvation to all the world. The nations will rally to him, for the land where he lives will be a glorious place. 11 At that time the Lord will bring back a remnant of his people for the second time, returning them to the land of Israel from Assyria, Upper and Lower Egypt, Ethiopia, Elam, Babylonia, Hamath, and all the distant coastal lands. 12 He will raise a flag among the nations for them to rally to; he will gather the scattered Israelites from the ends of the earth."

Isaiah 14:1-2 (TLB) = "14 But the Lord will have mercy on the Israelis; they are still his special ones. He will bring them back to settle once again in the land of Israel. And many nationalities will come and join them there and be their loyal allies. 2 The nations of the world will help them to return, and those coming to live in their land will serve them. Those enslaving Israel will be enslaved—Israel shall rule her enemies!"

SBMontero's picture
Excuse lapsus linguae.

Excuse lapsus linguae.

All these references have to do with the slavery of the Israelites at the hands of Egypt, hence "(...) a return them to the land of Israel from Assyria, Upper and Lower Egypt, Ethiopia, Elam, Babylonia, Hamath, and All the distant coastal". Assyria, Upper and Lower Egypt, Ethiopia, Elam, Babylon, Hamat was the Egyptian empire, and the reference to the distant coasts refers to Aleppo and Egyptian coastal cities in the Red Sea. It's no reference to the twentieth century. We can find similar assertions regarding the return to Africa in music and oral tradition of African slaves in the United States, the same desire that Malcom X expressed in his omilies.

Another issue is that ancient references to ancient events applicable to ancient historical circumstances can be applied to modern events due to modern historical circumstances. We can take the professorship about Ragnarok and see many coincidences with what happened during the Second World War, or see glimpses of what will be the third world war... uuuuuuuuuh.

Although we will ever have Nostradamus (Twilight Zone Intro background sound)

Jacob's picture
My point exactly.

My point exactly. As for the contradictions I don't really have any good answer for you.

ImFree's picture
Every time I go to a

Every time I go to a restaurant and order a meal the waiter or waitress brings me what I earlier specified on my order. I must be a prophet, I have done this many times and my prophecy is always fulfilled. “So is this authentic or is there more than meets the eye?”

Jacob's picture
I have read in a "history

I have read in a "history book" the jews were never in Egypt and came from Cananites.

Nyarlathotep's picture
JacobCorneluis - I have read

JacobCorneluis - I have read in a "history book" the jews were never in Egypt and came from Cananites.

Right, which means the bible is just a huge book of lies, but yet you seem reluctant to dismiss it; desperately grasping at anything you can to salvage it.

I suspect that your Christianity is going through its death throes. I don't envoy the position you find yourself in; and I'm impressed about how open you are about it. I wish you luck on your journey.

Sky Pilot's picture
Did you know that the

Did you know that the Egyptian Empire included all of the land through Syria to the Euphrates River? So the Jews were in Egypt because Egypt was in them.

Map of The Egyptian Empire (Bible History Online)

Egypt, ancient: empire during the rule of Thutmose III, about 1479 BCE -- Kids Encyclopedia | Children's Homework Help | Kids Online Dictionary | Britannica

Jacob's picture
I am afraid to say it but I

I am afraid to say it but I think you are correct.

ImFree's picture
JacobCorneluis I grew up in a

JacobCorneluis I grew up in a Church of Christ home and attended a Church of Christ private school first through the eighth grade. When I attended college I still remember the day I was sitting in a geology class and after studying plate tectonics, fossils and the age of the earth, I realized what I had been raised to believe did not line up with verifiable history, science and facts. The adults in my childhood had lied to me, not intentionally since they were merely regurgitating what their parents raised them to believe. I simply could not believe the lies anymore considering the mountains of evidence to the contrary. I wish you the best in you quest for the truth.

jamiebgood1's picture
Logic and science wins this one. As soon as my mind trys to figure out why and wtf toward things I read in the Bible I am reminded that this isnt a factual book. If anyone has knowledge of eyewitness accounts you'll notice their stories change over time as new thoughts are created. This article explains so well how the Bible was written. 1000 years after these events occurred and many were scribbed by people who didn't speak the language they were recording. Good for you being open minded enough to question what you've been taught.:)

ImFree's picture
Great article JamieB! Thanks!

Great article JamieB! Thanks! : )

ImFree's picture
Great article JamieB! Thanks!

Great article JamieB! Thanks! : )

Truett's picture
JacobCorneluis, I was a

JacobCorneluis, I was a christian for decades before realizing that I'd been mistaken about the existence of god. Many on this forum are like you and me, people who had misapprehended reality then realized the mistake of believing in a god that does not exist. Reading your comments reminds me of my journey out of my previous delusion, and I am glad for you.

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You have people here at the AR forum you can interact with. The journey you have started will led you to freedom without religion and god. The path might seem hard at times, but hang tough and follow it.

jamiebgood1's picture
FYI: I went on a christian

FYI: I went on a christian missionary trip as a 17 year old to south Africa and fell in love with its beauty. we lived in a Zulu village for a while and made bricks for a school but mostly. we spent time with the beautiful children, painting their nails, playing games and the church music was so beautiful if I ever get rich ill do a documentary on the amazing music I heard there. Good luck to you random guy.

Jacob's picture
I greatly thank you for your

I greatly thank you for your compassion and willingness to help me. for a large part of my life I was illiterate largely due to apartheid's educational policies. after apartheid ended I decided to go back to school to get an education and I am currently in university. but back to the point after I became able to read English I decided to read the bible and at first I did not find it horrible or amazing but simply dull. After a while I came across all the ethic cleansing and sexism which made me go into a period of depression which never really went away. I was afraid of hell (and still am) so I never had the courage to leave it.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Please don't take this the

Please don't take this the wrong way; I've been lucky enough to not live under any kind of oppression that would be even remotely comparable to apartheid. But it makes me wonder about some things:

Was it not obvious that Christianity was the religion of the oppressor during apartheid? Were there other religious choices available, or were they suppressed as well? I hope my question doesn't come off as insulting; and I'm thankful for any information or insight you can supply. Thanks.

Jacob's picture
Well yes they were Indeed

Well yes they were Indeed suppressed.To be honest the dutch reformed church played a large role in Afrikaner nationalism which ultimately led to apartheid. It was also very conservative, there was not porn, if you were gay they would lock you up. So
basically if you were a white Afrikaans speaking straight christian apartheid was pretty fun.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Man, what a fucked up

Man, what a fucked up situation.

MCDennis's picture
God didn't create israel. We

God didn't create israel. We did or more specifically the United Nations did

MiltonAsh's picture
Biblical prophecies have a

Biblical prophecies have a context, cannot be drawn from it. They must have been fulfilled in their time and were not fulfilled. They are false prophecies.
See about prophecies concerning Jesus.

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