The Existence and Attributes Of God

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arakish's picture
@ Dan:

@ Dan:

I have proved there is a start of time using a method completely different from Kalam.

You have proved nothing Dan. Where is the OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit, non ei qui negat. Otherwise, I am going to call you out on all the bullshit, horse hoowhee, septic tank flotsam you spew from your brain diarrhea.

I argue for eternalism, whereas Lane is a presentist.

You argue nothing. You plagiarize others' arguments because you ain't got none.

It must be shameful to realize you have absolutely no arguments of your own and must plagiarize them from other sources without attribution. Deriving your arguments from other sources without attribution is PLAGIARISM!

And if you ain't plagiarizing, then how come I can take your posts, put them through the Plagiarism Detector I use, and get a result ranging from 55% to 85%. In my definition, that is plagiarism.

If you are going to use someone else's argument, then at least do like William Lane Craig and write something like "According to the kalam argument," or "According to the ontological argument," etc., etc.


Sheldon's picture
Lane didn't create the Kalam

Lane didn't create the Kalam cosmological argument, and you have plagiarised it here, denying is asinine. However since you're continuing to lie about it, here they are side by side with yours again:

Kalam > Whatever begins to exist has a cause;
Dan > It’s not possible to exist permanently in time, so the ‘something’ must be a timeless first cause.

Kalam > The universe began to exist;
Dan > There was a start of time.

Kalam > The universe has a cause.
Dan > the only way out of this infinite regress is to have a timeless first cause...

Kalam > If the universe has a cause, then an uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists
Dan > The Big Bang theory suggests that spacetime began 13 billion years ago. This would require a timeless first cause

Kalam > An uncaused, personal Creator of the universe exists, who sans the universe is beginningless, changeless, immaterial, timeless, spaceless and infinitely powerful.
Dan > Having established there was a first cause, we can move onto establishing the attributes of the first cause:

Oh and you have "proved" nothing, merely assumed it.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Nyarlathotep - Consider two

Nyarlathotep - Consider two points where the distance (between the two points) is d(t) = (1/2)^t; at what time (what value of t) will these two points be co-located?

Dan - Time 0.

Nyarlathotep - Clearly that is wrong since the distance between them at t=0 is 1 unit.

Remember, Dan claimed to have a degree in mathematics. Depressing :(

arakish's picture
LMAOWF Nyarlathotep.

LMAOWF Nyarlathotep.

Damn I am glad I invented that one forum reading commandment those many decades ago when it was the FidoNet and BBSs with dial up acoustical couplers. Else I'd've spewed a great mess on than one.

Too bad Dan did not stay around long enough to see that one post of mine about all the infinities. And that also stuck in my craw. How can anyone supposedly have a Baccalaureate degree in math and not understand infinity?


Nyarlathotep's picture
How can anyone supposedly

How can anyone supposedly have a Baccalaureate degree in math and not understand infinity?

My guess is he got the degree a long, long time ago and has forgotten damn near all of it. Use it or lose it! Or maybe he just made that part up. Neither would surprise me.

I asked my niece (modest, 8th grade, pre-algebra student) the same question. She couldn't answer it, but was at least able to show that Dan's answer was wrong. She knew that (1/2)^0 = 1.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Not that anyone should feel

Not that anyone should feel bad if they can't even do as much as my niece on the subject. She's a kid, she gets 5 hours of math instruction a week. You should only feel bad if your trying to pass yourself off as a math guru and can't out preform an 8th grader in the subject.

dogalmighty's picture
Or, if you are plagiarizing

Or, if you are plagiarizing from an apologetics site, and don't have full comprehension of what the original author is proposing.

Kafei's picture
There was a very interesting

There was a very interesting survey study that was published on April 23rd, 2019 in the Public Library of Science that addressed people who've had "God-encountering" experiences either by natural means via meditation or asceticism or by psychedelics such as DMT, peyote, LSD, psilocybin, etc. and they spoke about very interesting attributes of this "God-encountering" experience.


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