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F: Fucking
A: Assumption
I: Initiating
T: Theist
H: Halfwit.
Really? So you think someone must share a belief before they can question its validity? That has to be one the stupidest assertions I've ever read.
Yes, there is an abundance of objective evidence for the existence of the human mind. Have you never seen or heard of brain scans that indicate different spheres of the brain being active that match the different intellectual processes being undertaken?
I'm getting tired of you rehashing this clumsy lie. The dictionary defines faith as follows:
noun
1.complete trust or confidence in something or someone.
2.strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof.
So please do stop with your absurd misrepresentation of its meaning, the dishonesty is too transparent to be anything but risible. If belief without evidence is so efficacious then why bother with science.
@David Killens you asked, "why do some innocent children suffer horribly and die from cancer?"
1. Poverty.
2. Insufficient health care facilities.
3. Low number of health care personnel.
4. Low number of trained health personnel.
5. Low health care budget.
6. Accessibility to health care facilities.
7. Illiteracy on the side of the parents.
8. Poor follow up by health personnels especially for out patients.
@ The Intruder
Wow, you do not know anything about cancer. You could be from the richest family on this planet, with the best health care, yet be struck down by cancer.
Based on your beliefs, your god is responsible for everything, including the conditions the children were born into.. Why is your god so cruel as to make innocent children suffer?
Intruder, you provided the following reasons people get cancer. I’ve added comments after each one.
1. Poverty. - I’m middle class
2. Insufficient health care facilities. - I live in a city with some premier health care facilities
3. Low number of health care personnel. - these facilities are fully staffed
4. Low number of trained health personnel. - staffed with highly trained personnel
5. Low health care budget. - I had adequate funds to pay for medical care
6. Accessibility to health care facilities. - see my comment on #2
7. Illiteracy on the side of the parents. - my parents were quite literate
8. Poor follow up by health personnels especially for out patients. - certainly not in my case
Despite not meeting any of your criteria, I was diagnosed with cancer. How do you explain that?
@David Killens: He's gotta be a drive by. No one logs in with that much stupidity and hangs around trying to argue it.
@ Cognostic
I agree on your assessment. But I would like to be proven wrong.
Yeah, usually when someone has a prewritten post they copy and paste, they are a drive by.
Hopefully this one will be a bit more honest than that, and stick around for discussion. But I'm not holding out too much hope.
@Intruder Re: Entire OP
....LMAO.... Well, with a name like yours and with that darling little overtly naive spiel you just submitted, I have faith you will soon be having your own ass neatly filleted, seasoned, packaged, and handed back to you in very short order. And most of us here will not even break a sweat in the process.... *chuckle*....
Funny thing is, you may believe your adorable analogies to be indisputable and deeply profound. Unfortunately (for you), they are nothing we have not seen on here countless times already. Moreover, your presentation is characteristic of a young student who has recently been spoon-fed the first few chapters from an Apolegetics 101 course. And now, bolstered by your new-found wisdom and insight, you are here to test your godly resolve and bring us godless heathens to our knees using the infinite power of your Lord and Savior.... *raising face and hands to the sky*... HALLELUJAH! I feel the Light washing over me already! How have I been so blind all this time? All I ever had to do was have faith and believe in the truth until the truth is finally revealed to me! WAKE UP all you immoral atheist god-haters! Intruder is here to save us all! Praise the Lord!... *wiping tears from corners of eyes*...
Re: The Intruder (...*cue dramatic music clip*... Dun-dun-dunnnnnnn...)
On a side note, it so warms my heart at times to see guys such as him arrive with such bravado. They're just so damn CUTE at that stage... *warm smile*...
https://youtu.be/-I55yxRneik
Awwwww...... Makes you just want to cuddle them, doesn't it?... *grin*...
And another mythology fanboy fails to understand the distinction between faith, which is nothing more than uncritical acceptance of unsupported assertions, and inference from insufficient data. The latter involves reliance upon data, even if the data is incomplete, and therefore has NO relation to "faith".
@Calilasseia ok tell me, do you believe in this statement of human rights:
We hold this truth to be self evident, that all humans are created equal
This is quoted by many liberals today. But tell me what data did they rely on to come to this conclusion?
Do you believe society could be better? why do you believe this?
l have more questions for you, but l know you have answers for these ones, so be my guest.
@ The Intruder
"We hold this truth to be self evident, that all humans are created equal
This is quoted by many liberals today. But tell me what data did they rely on to come to this conclusion? "
You took that statement from the US Declaration of Independence, which is "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."
It is a sad day when a non-US citizen has to school someone on their own history.
In the 1600's Oliver Cromwell took control of Britain, and waged a ruthless war on the Catholics. Included in this war were many horrors including mass murders of the Irish. That was never forgotten by the Irish (they still fight over Roman Catholic/Protestant issues). The early Irish immigrants to the US carried this history, one where non-protestants were not given full rights as humans.
The framers of the Constitution were very aware of the horrors inflicted by Cromwell (and the many failings of the British ruling system), and that clause was to make sure that no one was treated less than others just because of their religion.
from Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell#Irish_campaign:_1649%E2%80...
"Cromwell's hostility to the Irish was religious as well as political. He was passionately opposed to the Catholic Church, which he saw as denying the primacy of the Bible in favour of papal and clerical authority, and which he blamed for suspected tyranny and persecution of Protestants in continental Europe."
Where do you find the largest community of Irish in the US? Boston. Where did the US Revolution begin? Boston, with the Boston Tea Party.
This has nothing to do with "belief", because it's a statement of intent. Namely, the intent to treat humans alike under the law, regardless of their circumstances. That you failed to understand this elementary concept speaks volumes.
RE: "all humans are created equal"
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!
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Oh, and by the way, those of us who had a proper science education, conducted experiments to verify that the postulates we were being taught were something other than the product of someone's rectal passage.
Indeed, with respect to, for example, the radioactive decay law, I conducted experiments to gather the relevant data, followed by analysis of said data, in my physics classes at 15 years of age, and my teacher handed me a plutonium sample for the task. Yes, I was given the opportunity to handle real plutonium at the age of 15.
I suspect others here can recall appropriate experimental work from their own classes covering a range of other scientific postulates.
@ Calilasseia
I suspect others here can recall appropriate experimental work from their own classes covering a range of other scientific postulates.
I recall my high school chemistry classes. It was in a lab environment, we had Bunsen burners and mixed chemicals to arrive at the expected results. I remember being taught the anatomy of a frog, then one placed in front of me and it was time to dissect. Same with electricity, we always confirmed in the classroom the theory.
Intruder, it appears you consider the words ‘believe’ and ‘think’ as interchangeable. If so, you are incorrect. Belief requires no evidence. However, I THINK I can eat mom’s cooking without getting food poisoning because all the data (e.g. past history) support that conclusion.
Please form one deductive logical arguement to support the assertion for the existence of of a god(s).
@Intruder:
Faith is me believing that Williams Shakespeare wrote Macbeth, Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet without actually witnessing it.
LOL! Shakespeare was actually an Italian immigrant called Crollalanza. Shakespeare is just the English translation of that name. Why do you think so many of his plays are set in Italy?
But your example is silly in any case. It's like the tired old canard trotted out by creationists to "prove" that evolution never happened because nobody was there to see it. We can know about the past without faith simply by studying and interpreting the evidence.
Faith is earned. We gain faith in people when they keep their promises, help us in times of need, and never betray our trust. By that criterion, your imaginary friend is completely unworthy of faith. Every prayer has gone unanswered. Good people and innocent children have been abandoned to die of disease and disasters. All the money donated to god's churches goes straight into the pockets of priests and preachers.
Hey, everybody! Sing along!...
https://youtu.be/Uzd71Z8j_BM
I hope you don't mind me adding my two cents worth.
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@The Intruder
. . . do you believe in this statement of human rights:
We hold this truth to be self evident, that all humans are created equal.
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This statement is part of the U.S.A.'s Declaration of Independence, thus it need not be accepted elsewhere, (perhaps in India where they have a caste system, for instance).
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This is quoted by many liberals today. But tell me what data did they rely on to come to this conclusion?
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It was the opinion, judgement and desire of the founders of the USA, and was not based on evidence. It was a way of thinking which they preferred, and which is not adhered to in all places in the world. "That all humans are created equal", is in fact ambiguous, and there is evidence that not all humans are actually created equal. For instance, I am definitely not the equal of the man who was Albert Einstein. He was a genius in some ways, and I'm a more ordinary person, of lower intellect than Einstein.
Furthermore, the statement of belief in the Declaration of Independence is followed in that document, by: "endowed by their creator". However, if there is no creator, then that cannot be, and it would underline the idea that the statement in the document is just the opinion, judgement and desire of the founders.
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Do you believe society could be better? why do you believe this?
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I am not sure that society could be better, but I hope so. A simple reason for saying this is that if I concluded that society could NOT be better, then there would be no point in trying to make it better.
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We can have faith in some things, but if we do so, we ought to admit that we have no conclusive evidence or reason to believe their truth. If there was conclusive evidence or reason, it would make more sense to give that conclusive evidence or reason. For some Christian believers when trying to convert non-believers to their religion, when they cannot convince the other person by using evidence or reasoning, (because that evidence or reasoning was not convincing), the Christian might often say: "Well . . . you've just got to have FAITH!"
You know . . . "The substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"; [Hebrews 11/1]. In those cases, then when evidence and reasoning fail, have faith.
And surely other people believe contradictory things to those to which Christians principally adhere, but which are in conflict with those core Christain beliefs. Yet those other people can claim to go with THEIR faith. So this faith, is not a reliable route to truth.
Because we non-believers have decried faith as an unreliable way to truth, I think that believers have tried to re-define faith to mean something more like 'TRUST in your interpretation of what you see as evidence or reason'. But if that's what faith means, then the Christian will need a new word to tell the unbeliever, and say: "Well . . . you've just got to have flibbertygibbette", where flibbertygibbette is the word meaning :-
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@Cognostic
. . . what you use when you have no evidence to back your claims.
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So all we need is a shift in language, that still has a word that means what faith has meant traditionally, and is a substitute word for faith, (maybe flibbertygibbette). Thus 'Flibbertygibbette is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen'.
Mutorc
@Mutorc S'yriah: RE: "Thus 'Flibbertygibbette is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen'."
Good for you. At least you have avoided making the same fallacious comment. Now all you need to do is demonstrate your claim. How is "Flibbertygibbette" evidence for anything? Please demonstrate.
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"Orville and Wilbur Wright believe their own special metal can fly even when it seems impossible for metals to fly. But When all necessary skills and tools were put into work their metal actually flew.
So you see faith is believing in the qualities of that metal until the metal prove itself".
The 'metal' did not prove itself. It was the physical application of "the necessary skills and tools" that made 'metal' fly. Their aircraft was not made of metal alone but wood and canvas constructed in such a way that satisfied the aerodynamic requisites required to get a heavier than air machine to fly as according to the detailed research and mathematics of such pioneers such as Lilienthal and Hargraves.
It was not faith in the quality of the metal that got the thing off the ground, it was the quality of the science behind the aircraft's construction.
@The Intruder (...*dramatic music clip again*... Dun-dun-dunnnnnn....)
Dude, for what it's worth, I strongly suggest you go back to whatever school you've been attending and get a refund. Your instructors have done you ZERO favors by filling your brain with the laughable nonsense currently spewing from it. Granted, it is mildly amusing and entertaining for us here. I somehow doubt, however, you spent all that money for the purpose of playing "Tickle Me Elmo" with a bunch of strangers on a chat site. Although, on a positive note, you at least have some fairly decent material to start a career as a stand-up comedian. Of course, you would have to polish it up a bit and work on you timing and delivery, but that just comes with practice. Hey, man, just trying to look out for your best interest.
@Tin-Man it's funny because YOU have contributed NOTHING thus far to the subject. Maybe you're the one who needs to enroll into elementary school. It will spare you the embarrassment of clowning yourself on an internet chatroom when you could be sharing valuable knowledge
@ The Intruder
No need to get aggressive. Hypocrite.
FYI, Tin-Man is very correct, your gross ignorance was painfully obvious from the first post. And now I add "inability to recognize satire" to the list of your shortcomings.
Faith is not a reliable indicator of truth. Your infantile attempt to redefine the word to suit your purposes shows how flawed and childishly simplistic your argument has appeared.
Tin man has merely pointed out your shortcomings in both reasoning and apparent experience.
@The Intruder (Dun-dun-dunnnnnn...) Re: "Maybe you're the one who needs to enroll into elementary school. It will spare you the embarrassment of clowning yourself on an internet chatroom when you could be sharing valuable knowledge"
...ROFLMAO... See? I TOLD you! Oh, man! You are a natural at the comedy stuff. Maybe all that school money wasn't wasted after all.... *chuckle*... By the way, it's awfully presumptuous of you to think I have any "valuable knowledge" to share. Thanks for the vote of confidence, though... *prideful grin*... Besides, even if I did have any valuable knowledge to share, it seems to me it would be a shame to waste it on you. Love ya. Mean it... *smooch*...
@The Intruder: "YOU have contributed NOTHING" That's a blind man calling the Tin man black.
Is it not better to knowingly and intentionally contribute nothing to the subject than to delusionally pretend you are actually a major contributor? There is a reason your friends and family have told you not to use the computer unless one of the nurses is with you.
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