Genes vs Environment- Donald Trump vs empathy and genetics.

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Genes vs Environment- Donald Trump vs empathy and genetics.

This post is a continuation about how genetics and environment affect belief in God. My contention is POLITICAL thought is also affected by GENES and environment. I was previously "banned" from this forum for my obsession about Donald Trump and unable to control myself with anyone who disagreed with me. I have mellowed and will try to keep my thoughts "calm" without giving up my ability to express myself.

Despite Donald Trump exposing himself as a terrible horrible no good evil, disgusting, racist his "follow"s support him enthusiastically. Since his inaguration Donald Trump has "told" over 6500 lies. Donald Trump,s "speeches to his "obsesssed" screaming "crazies" is like a cult leader and his followers support him "blindly. My contention is this unrealistic suport for a "flawed, ugly "bad" man is not just caused by their enviioornment but GENES. One more thing... If empathy is a quality of goodness and sensitivity the GENES of Donald Trumps supporters have no empathy???

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Randomhero1982's picture
I wonderful composition

A wonderful composition fallacy to end another pointless post.

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You may encounter problems

You may encounter problems proving this proposition.

fiat124's picture
David---My ideas hopefully

David---My ideas hopefully will encourage debate..

terraphon's picture
@Fiat

@Fiat

"David---My ideas hopefully will encourage debate.."

No...No...They're just going to encourage you being used to mop the floor. These "ideas" you have are nothing but baseless, floundering, hate-filled ramblings. I've yet to see you make a useful post since you returned and, believe me, this one was taken into consideration.

This is what we, the denizens of the internet, refer to as "shit-posting".

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Aw, shit. Here we go again.

Aw, shit. Here we go again. Ugh... *face-planting on table top*.... (ouch.)

Cognostic's picture
FFS! "I was banned" from

FFS! "I was banned" from this forum for my obsession about Donald Trump and unable to control myself with anyone who disagreed with me."

What do you think has changed?

"Despite Donald Trump exposing himself as a terrible horrible no good evil, disgusting, racist his "follow"s support him enthusiastically." HA HA HA HA HA
(See, I told you exaggeration was funny!)

Got any evidence for anything you say?

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A couple of points to start

A couple of points to start this off:

1) I am not a Trump supporter
2) I am not a Trump hater

I am entirely neutral on the man, himself.

"Despite Donald Trump exposing himself as a terrible horrible no good evil, disgusting, racist his "follow"s support him enthusiastically."

You say he has exposed himself as a racist. Please provide direct evidence of him being a racist. Note that preponderance is not direct evidence and only "proves" to a reasonable doubt. Also note that he has done things which counter your claim so, in my opinion, only direct evidence and not impressions or anecdotal flim-flam will suffice. You claim the man has exposed himself. Please show exactly when and how he did that.

"Since his inaguration Donald Trump has "told" over 6500 lies."

This is a very specific claim. Please list no less than six thousand, five hundred of Trumps lies, between 0900 PST and the time of your post, along with supporting documentary evidence of them being lies.

"Donald Trump,s "speeches to his "obsesssed" screaming "crazies" is like a cult leader and his followers support him "blindly."

Calling Trump supporters "crazies" without evidence of clinical mental health issues is ad hominem and significantly damages your argument by displaying your own blinding disdain. Such disdain can easily sway you from facts. Please show the psychiatric records of each of Trump's supporters, indicating their lack of sanity, or withdraw this statement, in its entirety.

"My contention is this unrealistic suport for a "flawed, ugly "bad" man is not just caused by their enviioornment but GENES."

Please provide evidence of a genetic cause for "Trump support". This should include which gene is responsible for turning this off and on. For sake of ease, we'll just call it the "Trump gene". Please demonstrate that it exists.

"One more thing... If empathy is a quality of goodness and sensitivity the GENES of Donald Trumps supporters have no empathy???"

Once you've shown the Trump gene to exist, we can discuss this last point.

If you are unable to demonstrate the claims you have made then, clearly, you are expressing nothing more than raw opinion which we have no option but to dismiss, out of hand. I suspect that you won't be able to demonstrate a single one of them, but it will be fun watching you try.

Have at it!

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Terraphon--I have been banned

Terraphon--I have been banned maybe a year ago for my obsession with the evil horrible terrible ugly racist Donald Trump.I found it impossible to control myself.. So to show I have mellowed ---I will say have a nice day

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@fiat

@fiat

No, no, no...You don't just get to come in here and make posts like this and then run away when you've been asked to demonstrate your claims. That's called "SPAMMING".

If you're just blowing hot air, this isn't the place for it. This is the Debate Room...A place for DEBATE, not a place for spewing vitriol.

Please demonstrate your claims and if you can't then don't make posts like this. Simple.

fiat124's picture
Terrephon--Almost every post-

Terrephon--Almost every post- not just against me but it seems almost everywhere against anyone either belittle dismisses, or ridicules. I don't know what's going on the hostility is pervasive. Sometimes even benign uncontroversial subjects are maligned. But I am such a happy considerate person-I won't participate. I will control myself...Have a nice day

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@fiat

@fiat

In my post, I didn't ridicule, belittle or dismiss. I told you to demonstrate your claims and I provided methodology for doing so.

I also pointed out that you were ridiculing others.

I am going to ask a real question, here, and I want a real answer. Do you understand standards of evidence, burden of proof and the concept of debate?

If you answer yes to all of these then you will immediately understand how your OP doesn't meet any criteria for any of these and is, rather than being thought provoking and useful for spawning discussion, nothing more than vitriol.

If you answer "no" to any of those questions then you need to step away, do some learning, come to an understanding of how subjects are discussed and answers are arrived at and then, once you've gotten there, try again.

I submit to you that if people on this forum are reacting negatively to you it has everything to do with your presentation and nothing to do with the people who are responding just having bad attitudes and being trolls...And yes, I can demonstrate that very clearly if you'd like me to.

And now I'm going to ask you to re-read my original response to your original post and to respond to it appropriately. Either provide the evidence and documentation requested or state that you have no basis for your claims. Be a man. If you made a booboo, admit you made a booboo and move on. If you can provide the evidence and documentation I've asked for, I will do that as well, I promise.

If you can PROVE all of your points, I will make an entirely new thread on this board, immediately, and proclaim to everyone here that you positively DOMINATED my ass in a debate about Donald Trump and that you should be considered an authority on his political career. You have my absolute word of honor on that, sir.

I will ask something of you, as well. If you CAN NOT prove all of those claims, I would like you to make a post simply stating that you have made a series of baseless claims for which you have no evidence and that you would like to withdraw those claims and then, from there, just no make any more posts on the topic.

What say you?

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Terraphon -Read your text

Terraphon -Read your text again .If that is not ridicule, harassment or belittling I do I don't know what is. Have a Nice day

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@fiat

@fiat

In that case, I agree with you 100%.

You don't know what it is.

Sheldon's picture
I see no attempt whatsoever

I see no attempt whatsoever by you to evidence your assertion that genetics and environment affect belief in god, or political thought, so it must be dismissed in the same fashion it is offered.

quod grātīs asseritur, grātīs negātur

"If empathy is a quality of goodness and sensitivity the GENES of Donald Trumps supporters have no empathy???"

Again you are simply asserting without any attempt to evidence your claim, that these qualities are governed by genes rather than them being conscious choices people make, and again what you are asserting without evidence, must be dismissed without evidence.

I despise Trump and his politics, as is my right, but I think it is a mistake and a gross oversimplification to assume everyone who voted for him is as bigoted as he is.

fiat124's picture
To the members in this forum.

To the members in this forum. I was banned about a year ago for my obsession of the evil horrible no good racist Donald Trump. My feelings have not changed. But out of necessity I will try to control myself and be nice to everyone even though I have been disparaged and ridiculed. Sometimes for expressing my ideas. I am surprised the dialogue has become so hostile not just to me but to others who may just be expressing their ideas.. Have a nice day--Peace

Randomhero1982's picture
What I find most deeply

What I find most deeply troubling is with the labelling of Trump, as evil, as horrible, all the way up to certain individuals claiming he is a nazi or comparable to Hitler.

People these days really need to get a bloody grip and really think about the contents of their claims!

Is he evil, no. Is he a gob shite twat? Certainly.

Too often certain individuals of an ideological bent make far flung proclamations of people with contexts they have no fucking knowledge of.

The nazi shit labelled upon conservatives or those deemed as right wing is insane, as a grandson of someone who fought the actual nazis and having heard his and his collegues stories, it boarders on the ridiculous.

People need a good slap and a wake up call.

Don't keep flinging out the most heinous terms because you water down the actual people who are the genuine bastards.

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"One more thing... If empathy

"One more thing... If empathy is a quality of goodness and sensitivity the GENES of Donald Trumps supporters have no empathy???"

An ironic statement that lacks empathy.

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Stone Shade---Calling HITLER

Stone Shade---Calling HITLER a Nazi and has no empathy---Does not mean I have no empathy... I DON'T GET YOU..Have a Happy wonderful day.

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If, if, if. How about some

If, if, if. How about some proof, proof, proof. What gene?

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Indeed, which Gene...

Indeed, which Gene...

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GENE!!!

GENE!!!

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I wanna play! I wanna play!..

I wanna play! I wanna play!...

GENE!!!

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Gene!

Gene!

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@Random

@Random

Awww, maaaan! We both be geniuses!... *fist bump*....

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GENE!

GENE!

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You beautiful bastard! Lol

@Tin Man

Awww, maaaan! We both be geniuses!... *fist bump*

You beautiful bastard! Lol

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Some Gene's are MEAN!

Some Gene's are MEAN!

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indeed...

indeed...

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Holy giphy batman...we are

Holy giphy batman...we are just full of genes.

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Gene Gene!!!

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