In the chapters: Josephs Dreams, Joseph Sold by his Brothers, Joseph and Potiphars Wife, The Cupbearer and the Baker, Pharaohs Dreams, Joseph in Charge of Egypt, Josephs Brothers go to Egypt, The Second Journey to Egypt, A silver Cup in a Sack, Joseph Makes Himself Known, Jacob Goes to Egypt, Joseph and the Famine, Manasseh and Ephraim, Jacob Blesses his Sons, The Death of Jacob, Joseph Reassures his Brothers and The Death of Joseph I was wondering if there is any inconsistencies or moral dilemmas? Like the only ones I can think of is the father picking favourites, the brothers selling their brother into slavery and no justice is had for it and Joseph almost makes the youngest brother a slave even though he wasn't apart of him being put into slavery.
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Hey there, Little Lady. I confess I am not quite as familiar with those particular chapters/stories. However, it sounds interesting. Give me a couple of days and I will see what I can put together for you. By the way, how's it going for you with Genesis 1-4?
Good thanks :) I got a lot of replies I got to read through. Still can't believe you were able to do a top tens list XD That was interesting
Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat. I saw it in LA. Nice story. Life of Brian was better!
Ah. The story that leads into why the Hebrews were supposedly enslaved in Egypt. Only one problem. The Hebrews were never in Egypt. EVER! Attached Image sums up what I point out in the Exodus That Went Nowhere. See your other thread for the link in the Resource Repository.
rmfr
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Aw thanks for that! that was a good one. Do you by chance have any evidence to back it up or will google be enough lol?
You can get a good start here:
In a dumb ass sort of way, I do have evidence. I have just ceased trying to find it. Besides, I have slightly over 1000 DVDs and BRDs of backup data. My dumb ass labeled the disks thusly (let me go grab one), "BKUP-2008-0816-1034". Meaning, I burned that disk on August 16, 2008 at 10:34. And do you know how much data a DVD can hold? Let alone a BRD?
DVD = Digital Video Disk and BRD = Blue Ray Disk.
Now days, I just use Bing to find the data I want. You can use Google, but I prefer Bing. Google still uses the "paid referral" system while Bing uses "relevance" system. In other words, the sites you get in Google were paid to appear at the top of the list. Relevance as Bing uses means it lists the most relevant at the top of the list. Because of this, I tend to find what I am looking for on Bing quicker and easier than I can on Google. Hell, I even use Bing Maps rather than Google Maps. The only thing Google I use is Google Earth Pro with the Geo Plug-In (only available for professional geographers).
Let me shut up.
Hope helps.
rmfr
Thanks that was really helpful :) I'm gonna try Bing and see how that goes
Thought I posted Bart Eherman earlier but I don't see it now/ Bart has some good lectures on Bible contradictions and reading the Gospels laterally. He is a fairly good lecturer and easy to follow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nEBLbNfcoo&t=393s
AUS-LGBT - The Bible is full of people who exhibited moral failures. It probably has more documentation of moral failures than any book in history! Just make sure that you don’t confuse the lists of moral failures for God condoning those moral failures. The Bible shows that God can use moral failures to bring us closer to him.
@ Mailaman
If you read the collection of texts known as "the bible" your god seems to have some spectacular moral collapses of his own, ranging from infanticide, genocide, torture to plain old fashioned capriciousness.
Who, in their right mind would want to get close to that sort of psycho?
That was an interesting point, would you be able to elaborate further? I want to understand what you mean by god using moral failures to bring us closer?
AUS - LGBT - I was hoping you would chime in. By your questions, I can see you are definitely searching for meaning and purpose.
That statement sounds like an oxymoron doesn't it. How can God accomplish that?
Here is a cliffsnotes version: As humans we try to find meaning and purpose through all types of activities and often turn to very destructive habits (drugs, gambling, alcohol abuse, sex, pornography - you name it) when we can't make sense of our lives. Through all of our choices and eventual failures, God is never far from us. Acts 17:27 says "God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us."
It is often when we are about to make a very bad choice, or when we hit rock bottom, that we cry out to him. Often times that means the person is at the lowest point in their life. When that person does cry out, they are doing it with all of their heart and soul, right? That is when we find God. He is there, waiting for us. Deuteronomy 4:29 says you will find Him if you seek him with all your heart. No matter how many steps away from God you have taken, it is only 1 step back.
I don't know if that make sense or not. I hope it does.
I also want to add the link below is a great resource for understanding the Bible.
Here is a link to one of their best videos! https://thebibleproject.com/videos/god-video/
Keep searching...
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@ mailman and AUS-LGBT
http://bibviz.com/ – a graphical representation of all the contradictions in the bible.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/ – (also includes Qu'ran and the Mormon's book).
https://unpleasantgod.ffrf.org/#/ – ever heard Richard Dawkin's description of God? This website proves it.
http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=21 – The Top 20 Evil Bible Stories.
http://talkorigins.org/ – the archive here has articles dating back to almost the birth of the WWW. All are worth reading. I have been reading articles here since 2003.
http://www.jcnot4me.com/index.html – this guy has some really good articles. All are well worth reading.
rmfr
@AUS-LGBT
Regarding bibviz.com, it is very easy to show contradictions with individual verses, especially when they are taken out of context. I am certain that you agree that all statement (whether biblical or not) must be understood with the context of surrounding verses and events.
I have to admit that I don't understand Dawkins anger. He doesn't believe in God so why is he so mad? I heard someone say and I think I agree "I don't believe in Unicorns, but I don't hate on them." Why are so many atheists so angry with people who believe in Christ? If Christians are being fools wouldn't it be better just to have pity and feel sorry for them? Don't waste your anger on them...it isn't worth it. Life is hard enough (for Christians and Atheists).
Here is a site that help those seeking to understand the bible. The videos are really good.
https://thebibleproject.com/
https://www.gotquestions.org/ This site goes into detail answering apparent contradictions as well as over 500,000 questions.
mailman: "Regarding bibviz.com, it is very easy to show contradictions with individual verses, especially when they are taken out of context."
And there goes the Out Of Context Fallacy. When we point out the bad things, you Religious Absolutists are first to be the whiney-ass babies to use the Out Of Context Fallacy. Just what do you think you Religious Absolutists are doing?
rmfr
While I can only really speak for myself, I think many here would agree: we don't give a shit what you believe. What we do care about is when believers use the trappings of power to impose their religious views on others. You'd think this would be obvious, but it seems we have to repeat it over and over, and they still can't seem to get it.
Oh joy, a young Earth c̶r̶e̶t̶i̶n̶i̶s̶m̶ creationism site.
@mailman
"I have to admit that I don't understand Dawkins anger. He doesn't believe in God so why is he so mad? I heard someone say and I think I agree "I don't believe in Unicorns, but I don't hate on them." Why are so many atheists so angry with people who believe in Christ? If Christians are being fools wouldn't it be better just to have pity and feel sorry for them? Don't waste your anger on them...it isn't worth it. Life is hard enough (for Christians and Atheists)."
Dawkins stated repeatedly that he was not angry at religion, he was opposed to religious people forcing their agenda and beliefs on others. If you keep your beliefs private, no problem. But as long as religion is the driving force behind archaic, cruel, and brutal laws, it must be opposed.
The USA was created as a secular state, because many were aware of the horrors inflicted by Cromwell on the Irish a century earlier. That is also why we see the statement "created equal" in the founding documents.
Oh yeah and I'm already a subscriber to the bible project, thanks :) They make interesting videos even if I don't always agree
If you want to know about "Flatland" read the book.
If God is a higher dimensional being; YOU STILL HAVE TO PROVE IT!
What a waste of gray matter. Sometimes brain eating zombies try to suck out a brain, and then starve to death before finding it. (True Story)
I saw it on the news once.
@ Cog
That wasn't the News that was the Overlord making you see things that were not there...like...look! Just there...the Overlord that wasn't there, and he isn't there again today. I just wish he'd go away.
(apologies for the parody of "Antigonish", could not resist it)
Sorry to disappoint but that's not what I'm looking for, I just personally like to understand the theist's point of view but I still have an atheist one myself. I appreciate your response though :)
I am now curious. Why do you want to understand the theists point of view?
"I am now curious. Why do you want to understand the theists point of view?"
Because I like to have both sides of the story but so far from what I know I have to side with Atheism. I'm currently reading the bible, I haven't finished yet, but things still stick out as off for something that supposed to be Holy. Like I was reading the story of Joseph and out of no where there's a passage called Judah and Tamar and it was so random it caught me by surprise. The woman is widowed and she's passed around to the late husbands brother who dies because he drops his "seed" on the floor (God kills him cause he sees that as wicked), then she dresses in a veil and prostitutes herself to the father in law for his seed. The father in law finds out she prostituted herself and was going to kill her by fire but finds out it was him she slept with he claims she was more noble than him and was justified to do so. So that was just like a wtf moment and not something I can see as moral.
But anyway, I'll still give it a go. My friend is really religious so I talk to her and we have debates, also she's going to introduce me to her pastor, who I'm currently emailing for questions. So I feel like I'm getting a good amount of christian input to be fair and I come here for the atheist point of view I cant see for myself.
DarkMatter2525 did a video on that. Have to find you the link.
rmfr
Here it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGecYM8S1r0
And this one is his best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttevamkS6gw&t=72s
rmfr
Thanks for that :) I haven't seen all his videos yet but I'm coming close. Although I personally think his best one is is "How god favours evil'. I love the scene with Jeffrey at the end <3
AUS-LGBT
The bible records many, many events. Many of them are horrendous (e.g. sacrificing your daughter, cutting up a person into 12 parts). However just because they are recorded doesn't mean God condones the actions. That may be where many people get confused. One thing is clear from reading the OT, people are evil. This is why the events of the OT are contrasted with occasional text that points to a new coming King.
Also, thanks for explaining your story. It is good to get both sides.
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