Genesis 37:4 - Genesis 50:26, any issues?

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Already have read it that way

Already have read it that way. It is still a gigantic miasma of contradictory plagiarized faerie tales about a fictional deity who is nothing more than

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction; jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving, control–freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” — Richard Dawkins

Your Sky Faerie and Magic Zombie Virgin are the most horrifying monsters to haunt humanity ever since the Big Bang.

Your religion has Murdered, Raped, Tortured, Lied, Extorted, Sacrificed, Ravaged, Swindled, Exploited, Plundered, Abused, Coerced, Pillaged, Tormented, Harassed, Rampaged, Insulted, Endangered, Threatened, Oppressed, Persecuted, Committed Ethnic Cleansing, Terrorized, Mutilated Genitalia, Enslaved, Molested and Raped Children, Corrupted, Committed Genocidal Cleansing in the name of your Sky Faerie and Magic Zombie Virgin for thousands of years, BUT I AM THE ONE GOING TO HELL FOR LIVING A MORE MORAL LIFE THAN ANY CHRISTIAN?

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srpostma11's picture
arakish,

arakish,
I don't doubt that horrible things have been done in the name of religion, and God. History is replete with examples of this.

But don't confuse what God actually said about how to treat people, and how people ended up treating others. There is no doubt that God used the nation of Israel to pass judgement on other nations for their wickedness, just like he used the Babylonian empire to judge Israel and take them into captivity.

If I physically hurt someone, you would think me foolish to say I did it in Arakish's name, right? Your answer (rightly so) would be "I never said that".

You indicate you have read the Bible several times. I am sure you are aware of how many times God says to love others. The book of Romans puts this on full display.

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mailman

arakish,
I don't doubt that horrible things have been done in the name of religion, and God. History is replete with examples of this.

But don't confuse what God actually said about how to treat people, and how people ended up treating others. There is no doubt that God used the nation of Israel to pass judgement on other nations for their wickedness, just like he used the Babylonian empire to judge Israel and take them into captivity.

If I physically hurt someone, you would think me foolish to say I did it in Arakish's name, right? Your answer (rightly so) would be "I never said that".

You indicate you have read the Bible several times. I am sure you are aware of how many times God says to love others. The book of Romans puts this on full display.

mailman: "I don't doubt that horrible things have been done in the name of religion, and God. History is replete with examples of this. But don't confuse what God actually said about how to treat people, and how people ended up treating others. There is no doubt that God used the nation of Israel to pass judgement on other nations for their wickedness, just like he used the Babylonian empire to judge Israel and take them into captivity."

You are kidding right? Do you know how many atrocities and heinous acts your Sky Faerie himself has done? You are doing nothing but proving you have NEVER read that wicked Bronze Age text.

mailman: "I am sure you are aware of how many times God says to love others."

Not as many times as your Sky Faerie has committed atrocities itself. And then add on all the times it commanded the Hebrews to commit atrocities and heinous acts in its name.

mailman: "The book of Romans puts this on full display."

If you say so. Romans to me is nothing more than a systematic method on enslaving yourself to a megalomaniacal psychotic sociopathic totalitarian tyrant. So how can that be good?

Here is a fact for you to think about.

arakish: "History is always written by those who win the war. When two peoples rise into conflict, sometimes the loser is annihilated. Or, at least, decimated and demolished. The victors shall always write and rewrite the history of the conflict to glorify and deify their own cause, while they also criticize, belittle, ridicule, disparage, marginalize, vilify, and villainize the foe upon which the victors have committed repugnant ethnic genocidal cleansing. In other words, the victors basically engage in postwar propaganda to make their archenemies seem cruel and less civilized. Thus, making their cause more just. What is written, yet unverifiable, history than an agreed upon myth, legend, fable?"

And that is all the Bible is. When the Hebrews were victorious they rewrote the account to deify their actions while making those whom they slaughtered to be daemoniacal. Also think on this:

arakish: "How easy do you think it would be to completely rewrite history, when you have utterly destroyed all cities, killed all people, and destroyed all literature in that region, to suit your justification for having annihilated, or at least decimated and subjugated, a peoples during the time of the Hebrew invasion of the Land of Canaan? Especially, when the fastest form of communication across distances is by horse? Maybe a ship? And here is another question: How do you know this Sky Faerie gave the land to the Hebrews? Do not use the Bible or any other religious material to answer this question."

And:

arakish: "Of course, there is your “inspired by the Holy Ghost” excuse because the Bible says so. This is the Circular Logic Fallacy. “The Bible is the word of god because the Bible says it is the word of god.” Can you not see the fallacy in that claim? Using that same claim, I can say that Harry Potter is real because those seven books says he is real. No book can be its own source of validity. It does not work that way. The validity of anything can only be proven by sources other than itself. Regardless of how much you wish it to be true, the Bible can never be used to prove itself valid. Thus, the Bible is invalid."

Audience Member: “What religion do you believe to be true?”
I refuse to believe in any human-made religion because ALL of them rely on the concept of faith. And, FAITH is a lie in that any human-made religion keeps the promise of eternal damnation and eternal salvation. Not just in this life we currently live, but also in some so-called afterlife. Do you honestly expect me to believe that any human created religion can hold such truths? No human is perfect. Thus, all religions are false by their very nature. Any person in this room could create a religion based upon a single god. There is no proof any religion is from any god. — Arakish, transcribed from a live debate, Q&A session

Audience Member: “So, what do you believe the Bible is then?”
If you are to truly interpret the Bible, you will find that the Bible tells us only one thing: We are to obey and believe as we are told. This is not objective morality; rather, it is tyrannical totalitarian dictated edicts. The Bible creates the illusion that Christians are better than others, allowing them to justify all their crimes and be just as criminal as those they say are immoral. What crock of shit… — Arakish, transcribed from a live debate, Q&A session

Dude, you really need to take the red pill and unplug.

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mailman - However just

mailman - However just because they are recorded doesn't mean God condones the actions. That may be where many people get confused.

I don't think there is much confusion:

1st Samuel 15:2-3 -- This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkey

According to your mythology, your god ordered genocides.

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Nyarlathotep - Thanks for

Nyarlathotep - Thanks for this specific example.

The events such as the crusades, the inquisition were justified by Christians in God's name. They were wrong. God never told them to kill Jews and Muslims. I am differentiating between when people say they are doing it in God's name, and when God actually told Israel to do it (as in your example). The two should not be confused.

There are definitely times God ordered the complete destruction of an existing nation in Canaan by the nation of Israel. He did this to fulfill his promise to Abraham to give his people the land. These are tough events to deal with. I will not have an answer to a satisfy you. I don't know the reason (yet) why God gave such harsh command. I may never know all of the reasons for their complete destruction. However the fact that God ordered the animals killed to suggests they also may have posed a threat (health wise) to Israel, but that is speculation.

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mailman - There are

mailman - There are definitely times God ordered the complete destruction of an existing nation...

Are you going to go on record saying your god ordered genocide (at least according to your mythology), or will you attempt to use mental gymnastics to avoid that obvious conclusion?

srpostma11's picture
I don't know that it is a

I don't know that it is a genocide, but it is fair to say he appears to have wanted that family line (a decedent of Esau) wiped out.

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mailman - There are

mailman - There are definitely times God ordered the complete destruction of an existing nation...

from google's dictionary - genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

V.S.

mailman - I don't know that it is a genocide...

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Why won't you say it is genocide?

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According to the definition

According to the definition you gave, the US killing Germans in WW1 and WW2 would have been genocide, but no one would say that.

What do you have?

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I studied modern history back

I studied modern history back in high school and I don't think the killing of the Germans by the Americans was as great as the Germans against the Jews or Russians. That was genocide. I'm pretty sure the Germans just had Sanctions placed against them, particularly a large debt. Also, random, I'm pretty sure Mein Kamf is forbidden to be sold in Germany. Basically Germany had to take the blame for WW2 and has rules they must oblige now because of it. That's what I can remember although its been years since I was back in high school lol

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And Miss AUS delivers a

And Miss AUS delivers a smackdown. Keep going lady!

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@mailman

@mailman
I didn't ask about your views on WW1 and WW2. Will you answer?

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