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I'm not looking for conflict I'm going to point out flaws in your posts.
Did you not say this???
"Is it because I've shown that the Bible doesn't actually teach what Christianity teaches? And that without Christian doctrine the atheist loses a lot of their best arguments? "
This is not a put down, sorry if it offended you. What I'm saying is...read carefully...the atheist arguments against the Christian God are good and are very logical. A person would be an absolute fool to even consider believing in the Christian God. The problem is....or the interesting point I'm bringing up looking for input on is that the Bible is world's apart from what Christianity teaches. Yet Atheists take the Christian view and reference it in their arguments as if they are simultaneously arguing against the Bible. They aren't. Viewing the behavior and beliefs of the Christian God does not make one an expert on the God of the Bible. Am I saying the God of the Bible should be worshiped? Clearly not.
Well yes, the bible is clear that god is the creator of evil. The spider man comic is clear that he got his powers from a spider. I don't believe either story represents reality, as they are both obvious works of fiction.
I have said this before and I will say it again,
If the god of the Bible turns out to be real I'm going to bitch slap that immoral asshole! Your points are moot because the Bible is a fairy tale written by men for men. There is no morals in this book, it's a book of lies and contradictions. If you think the Bible in any way describes a moral just god you my friend are sadly sadly mistaken. If there happens to be an all powerful being and he is described accurately in the Bible...
1) he is not worthy of any worship
2) he should be put to death!
I am not claiming anything! I'm simply providing what the Bible actually says (as opposed to Christianity) and seeing what your thoughts are on it. I've yet to hear you mention one part of my post. If you think God is immoral for creating evil then say that. If you think God is immoral for sending his creation to an eternal fire then write that somewhere else, because that's not in my post, nor is it in the Bible. I am really confused what the controversy is here. Is it so hard for you to fathom that I could actually have read and contemplated the Bible and am asking questions about it and not be trying to force any views on anyone? I'm looking for input, not debate. Input on the freaking post points. You're not adding anything to the post, you're only bringing up issues unrelated. If the Bible is moot to you, I don't know why you're even engaging in this discussion, seeing as I'm not witnessing or trying to argue anything. I'm asking for thoughts on what the Bible actually says, not what Christians say.
For some reason NicholasB you have a conflict with "A" bible(to be clear you should actually state which bible you refer) and YOUR definition of christianity.
Atheists can resolve that conflict. Oh, we could agree, disagree, or even make educated guesses and comment using those guesses, but that isn't going to change anything.
What it boils down to is YOU finding out what you believe and don't and the method by which you make that determination.
I don't believe in any gods. The way I determine that I don't believe in any gods is fact-based. There are no facts that support that there have ever been any gods, whatsoever.
So you can research if you know how, but YOU and only you can answer the questions you posed.
You said, "I'm asking for thoughts on what the Bible actually says, not what Christians say."
Which bible?
Why are you being so mean to me? I thought this was a forum and for people like me to post for input. How arrogant must one be to feel the need to tell someone to think for themselves?
I'm well aware that atheists don't believe in any gods....I don't really care. I don't know why you're being so defensive about atheism when my post has nothing to do with atheism. Everything I have said has been honest and sincere. Please survey your own mind and attitude and remember that we are all human.
Also NicholasB, you are asking questions of atheists as if we really regard the bible as factual. That is a stupid endeavor to be sure.
I'm well aware that you don't believe it factual. I don't care if you find it factual or not. That's not the point of my post.
True true... what bible are you referring to?
How are you differentiating your views of what the Bible says vs what others say the Bible says?
I'm not arguing the truth of the Christian Bible, you fool. You have no comprehension of what I wrote.
my view is that GOD according to what I read does not create evil, the bible says that god doesn`t tempt no man and that god does not bring evil upon humanity. That can be attributed to the fallen angel Lucifer who was called light bringer and deceives people right up to the present moment.because of original sin from our first parents we are born with a sinful nature, which can only be corrected by the death and atoning blood of jesus christ.
And what was this so called original sin??
well it was a separation and penalty for both sexes by god, he gave them a command which in greek means he gave them an imperative to not eat the forbidden fruit, and of course they did and thats original sin disobeying god and not having total obedience.after there sin women received the penalty of pain at child birth. will men has to work and the sweat of his brow among others things and also the big one death came to mankind.
The bible also says that god tempts man. But I'm guessing that is about context. Original sin is about control. Religion is the ultimate mind fuck to keep people in chains. Jesus supposed death corrected nothing. In fact, it has been a scourge on the world for 2000 years.
Jesus provides a way out of this world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! someday I will be in paradise i`m told but the others who are not christ followers will be left out in total separation. Sounds comforting doesn`t it? Jesus stated to choose the narrow road not the broad road that leads to separation.
What happens when you die and find out Islam was real?
What happens then? What makes you so sure that "your" god is the right one?
Hint; both you, Islam, and Judaism all worship the same god... but what is taught is very different yet similar!
DC
Can you prove that you will be in paradise? Can you prove jesus is real? By total separation, you mean Hell?
@devout#$%^&*!
That post is pure proselytizing and PURE unadulterated BULLSHIT!
It's tantamount to a blood cult.
DC
Can you prove that god is real? Can you prove that Lucifer is real?
hi Nicholas.I don't actually know what you're question was, but I do have a few things to add to this discussion. I don't think God created Evil. Everything God created was good. Even the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil was good. This represents the law/ten commandments which is good and holy etc. But then Adam and Eve sinned and opened "Pandora's box" which included Evil. I think the reason why you had a mental breakdown if that was true, is that you never really believed right. There is power in right believing and perhaps, you never went to that place. Perhaps you grew up in a religion and all this time, it's always been a religion for you instead of an actual choice. Hope this helps.
So god didn't create everything then?
Can evil be created?
can god create something so big that he cannot lift it?
That is not what I was taught in Sunday school:
You may have learned this in Sunday school but we're you actually taught the meaning? Looking through my own bible and a quick Google search, It looks like the word "wicked" refers to ppl as in sinful ppl. The verse doesn't say that God created evil and i don't believe he did. It's ok if you share a dif view.
GOD is not the creator of evil, god is love and goodness, He created the angels and human beings with the free will so there was a very possibility of evil since they had a choice it all comes down to man kinds own volition. God leaves it up to the individual to choose.There is the broad way in life which according to Jesus alot of people are taking and then there is the narrow way, which only a few take. This morning I ask "which road are you taking" hopefully you would say the latter. Please remember this if for no other reason you remember my threads GOD does not send evil down on humanity, humanity is quite capable of doing that. ___________________________________ __
DC
Then explain why so much war was fought in the name of god and jesus?
dc, you wrote, “GOD is not the creator of evil, god is love and goodness, He created the angels and human beings with the free will so there was a very possibility of evil since they had a choice it all comes down to man kinds own volition.”
That’s quite an assertion. How can you demonstrate the veracity of this? (Please note that a demonstration provides proof, not conjecture.)
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I actually agree. You can't create evil if you don't exist. But that is not what your mythology says:
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