I am an Aatheist

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David Killens's picture
Us Canadians have you guys

Us Canadians have you guys beat, we already have an "eh" at the beginning of every sentence.

I am an ehtheist.

Grinseed's picture
@Tin

@Tin

If Jo goes Aaaatheist it will be all your fault.

Tin-Man's picture
@Grinseed Re: "If Jo goes

@Grinseed Re: "If Jo goes Aaaatheist it will be all your fault."

It is a responsibility I am willing to accept to defend my lack of belief in his lack of belief in our lack of belief in his god.

Sheldon's picture
Tin-Man "It is a

Tin-Man "It is a responsibility I am willing to accept to defend my lack of belief in his lack of belief in our lack of belief in his god."

I don't believe that you don't believe that Jo doesn't believe that we all don't believe in his deity. I think you're just messing with him, but kudos, as I am enjoying it anyway.

Delaware's picture
@ Tin-Man

@ Tin-Man

I am an infinity "A" theist.
Hold on, what does that make me?
Now...play nice.
(humor and sarcasm)

Tin-Man's picture
@Jo Re: "Now...play nice."

@Jo Re: "Now...play nice."

...*chuckle*... Poor little Jo... *sigh*... What you apparently do not understand is that what you have seen from me so far IS me playing nice. Fortunately, in your case, I have not had to go beyond that. And, quite honestly, it isn't even necessary for me to do so. Because you do such a fine job of making yourself and your particular religious faith look so wholly uninviting that it would be pointless for me to try add to it. All I'm doing is having fun pointing out some of your less obvious deceptions to those who might not immediately catch them. Speaking of which, I must say again that you do not seem too concerned that your behavior on here sheds such a gloomy shadow over you and your faith.

The irony here is that I personally DO NOT CARE what you believe one way or the other. None of my business, really. Yet you come in here to an atheist site in an almost maniacally obsessive manner and repeatedly do your best to spring some sort of, "Aha! Gotchya!" moment toward atheism. It is actually a bit amusing in a way, truth be told, but still sad, nonetheless.

So, like I said, I AM, and have been, playing nice. No need for me to do otherwise... *chuckle*...

Delaware's picture
@ Tin-Man

@ Tin-Man

Thanks for playing nice.

Cognostic's picture
RE: JO. I really don't

RE: JO. I really don't think we need him on our side. I really don;t.

Sheldon's picture
Cognostic ". I really don't

Cognostic ". I really don't think we need him on our side. I really don;t."

Oh christ no, what a scary scary thought.

Sheldon's picture
Jo "If you look at my profile

Jo "If you look at my profile, or any of my posts, you will see that I am a Christian. So why am I saying that I am an Aatheist?"

Because you're an incorrigible liar Jo, clearly.

CyberLN's picture
Theist: god(s)+ist

Theist: god(s)+ist
Atheist: without god(s)+ist
Aatheist: without without god(s)+ist, ergo, Theist

Sir Random's picture
What do we have here, the

What do we have here, the Bill Clinton of debate? Randomly making up new words on the basis of pre existing ones in the hopes that it might somehow win you an argument?

If only it were that easy, we'd never have to think. Then again, it feels like you've already reconciled yourself within that ballpark.

Grinseed's picture
@ Jo,

@ Jo,

"What do you mean by being a naturalist humanist?
By naturalist, do you mean nature is all there is?
We all beleive that nature exists.
Why are you a naturalist?

The natural realm is all there is.
There is nothing supernatural.
There are no gods.
Only humankind and nature.
Pythagoras wrote "Man is the measure of all things".
He was branded an atheist by the Greek theists.
He was actually an early humanist.

Humanists believe in individual value, that everyone should have the right to think for themselves, and that they should have the rights to be free to live their lives as they choose, understanding that these rights also define responsibilities to others, through generosity, tolerance and justice. With the ability to reason comes with a responsibility to use, improve and expand the boundaries of our common knowledge, for our communal benefit.
These profound ideals were hijacked by later Catholic academics as proper virtues for christianity, along with the word "atheist" largely without accrediting the pagan Greek philosophers with whom they originated.

I dislike the word "atheist". It is a demeaning theist word that theists still use to pigeonhole others for not sharing their beliefs in the supernatural. Its a word loaded with misconceived theist definitions. I do not collect stamps, so, as I do not believe in the supernatural, "atheist" does not really describe anything more about me than "aphilatelist".

I prefer humanist, as it declares my passion and compassion for my fellow humans, present and past, family and strangers and I do not need a supernatural entity to tell me what is moral.

I prefer naturalist because, I can, by diligent use of my natural reason, understand and marvel at the basics of evolution, Newtonian physics, quantum mechanics, the laws that govern the behaviour of electrons, neutrons and protons, that comprise this universe - as Democritus stated it did, 2,500 years ago, clever pagan Greek atheist that he was.

I reiterate, there are no supernatural forces to command my respect.
I need no god to be in awe of this natural reality or to be happy while I am a part of it.

There, I think I have played nice.

Why are you a Christian?

Delaware's picture
@ Grinseed

@ Grinseed

I hope you don't mind me responding to your post over two months later.

"The natural realm is all there is."
"There is nothing supernatural."
"There are no gods."
"Only humankind and nature."

Are the above statements just beliefs that you have?
Is there any evidence that supports your claims?

As a Christian I also "believe in individual value", I have "passion and compassion for my fellow humans", I "understand and marvel at the basics of (science)", just as you do.

I am a Christian because of personal experience, my understanding of nature, the longing of humans for such things as (justice, mercy, truth, love, compassion, dignity, nobility, knowledge, and the meaning and purpose of life), and it seems ridiculous to me to believe that everything is just the result of some infinitely improbably happenstance. Those are some of the highlights.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Jo - ...it seems ridiculous

Jo - ...it seems ridiculous to me to believe that everything is just the result of some infinitely improbably happenstance.

You might believe the probability is low, but that does not make it so.

Delaware's picture
@ Nyarlathotep

@ Nyarlathotep

Yes, but a bazillion coin flips all coming up heads, leads me to believe it was somehow rigged.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that everything that has happened from the big bang to this discussion, was all just some happy happenstance.

CyberLN's picture
Jo, try googling “Argument

Jo, try googling “Argument from incredulity”. If you’re unable to see how it applies to what you’ve said above, let me know.

Delaware's picture
@ CyberLN

@ CyberLN

I can see why you would think I was making and argument from incredulity.

But I am not saying that I have lack of faith in it because it contradicts my expectations or beliefs, or that I am unable to imagine it.

If a coin is flipped a gazillion times and every time comes up heads.
I have to wonder if it is rigged, or if the person has special coin flipping abilities.
While it is possible to come up heads a gazillion times in a row.
I don't that is the most likely explanation.
Each flip has 50% chance of coming up heads.
So it could just be a coincidence of a gazillion heads.
But some coincidence.

LogicFTW's picture
@Jo

@Jo

- Known "probability" of earth and every amazing thing in it will happen: 100% (It did happen!)
Earth being here, exactly how it is, is not a conversation of odds.

- Probability of another earth exactly like ours, but somewhere else? about as close to zero as we can possibly get.
Another human inhabitable planet? Those odds are most strongly influenced by human created technology possibilities.

Any more questions? Can we stop this "gazillion heads" nonsense?

Anything I say above that you disagree with?

.

Eh, incase that one does not help you, another attempt:

Is the puddle of water exactly the way it is, because the hole it resides in exactly right form to make it that way? Or was the water exactly right amount for the hole? What are the odds of a puddle exactly the way it is? What are the odds we will find another puddle exactly the same?

Delaware's picture
@ LogicFTW

@ LogicFTW

"Known "probability" of earth and every amazing thing in it will happen: 100% (It did happen!)"
I was referring to the probability of something happening before it happens.
Not after it has occurred.

Based on your reasoning.
Everything that has occurred had a 100% chance of happening, before it happened.

Odds of getting heads 10 times in a row is 1% (please correct my math).
Odds of getting heads 10 times in a row after it has occurred is 100%.

"Probability of another earth exactly like ours, but somewhere else? about as close to zero as we can possibly get."
Thanks for proving my point.
The possibility of the earth occurring just like it did, is as close to zero as we can possibly get.
Good evidence for God.

David Killens's picture
@ Jo

@ Jo

"The possibility of the earth occurring just like it did, is as close to zero as we can possibly get.
Good evidence for God."

I would accept your proposition only, and only if you can prove that there are multiple Earths scattered throughout the entire cosmos..

LogicFTW's picture
@Jo

@Jo

I was referring to the probability of something happening before it happens.
Not after it has occurred.

Yay you demonstrated a basic understanding of odds and probability. You do not use it as a tool to measure how likely something that has already happened is going to happen. You use it to measure future probabilities of what will happen.

Problem is, you used it for something that has already happened. (Earth.)

Based on your reasoning.
Everything that has occurred had a 100% chance of happening, before it happened.

That is not what I said at all. What I said is much more simple.
Everything that has happened, already happened. No odds involved, but if you really wanted to add odds to it. It would simply be: 100% Likelihood of earth with all its complexity happening? 100%

Odds of getting heads 10 times in a row is 1% (please correct my math).

Assuming a fair coin, the odds of getting heads 10 times in a row, and no tails, before you start flipping the coin = 2x2x2...etc or more neatly written, 2^10 = 1024 So 1 in 1024 odds = slightly less then .099%

"Probability of another earth exactly like ours, but somewhere else? about as close to zero as we can possibly get."
Thanks for proving my point.

I said another earth EXACTLY like ours. Down to number of hairs on your head. And mine. Now if we wanted to get a more specific question like: "planets that could support human life odds" then we can actually get to something we can play around with the "odds" on.

The whole point I was trying to make here, and apparently I have to spell it out for you is: debating the odds of our planet being here exactly like it is is foolish. It is a child like argument/proof religious apologist trot out to try and evidence their god. Our planet is here, it happened. There is no "great odds" of it going to happen, it already happened. Any argument that tries to say: oh "it is so unlikely" my god idea must of made it happen is patently ridiculous. Our reality our planet is the most evidenced thing their is. However the god ideas that people like to give our planet and ourselves credit to? Completely unevidenced, zero basis for in any way shape or form. I have just as much claim that I created you, earth, everything as your god idea does. Its gibberish, silly thought patterns created by the human brain, that should obviously be dismissed as just that. Idle fancies of entirely imaginary concepts.

Good evidence for God.

As long as you continue to think like this, I understand why you make zero progress towards understanding a simple truth. God is a human created idea, with just as much, or possibly even less relevance these days, then the Harry Potter series that JK Rowling dreamed up but certainly the same amount of "evidence." Although I do have to say the harry potter theme parks at universal studios its a pretty convincing fake, except for all the "tourist" visiting diagon alley.

Sheldon's picture
Jo "I was referring to the

Jo "I was referring to the probability of something happening before it happens.
Not after it has occurred."

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oh, jeezus...no wait

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uh oh, irony overload, damn it. Still....pretty fucking hilarious though, yh oh here it comes again...

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uh, oh, I think that's all of it, for now anyway...

Sheldon's picture
Jo "Odds of getting heads 10

Jo "Odds of getting heads 10 times in a row is 1% (please correct my math).
Odds of getting heads 10 times in a row after it has occurred is 100%."

Nope, the odds there don't change, you haven't even a tenuous grasp of this, and I am a duffer myself. Unless it's your limited grasp of language, and you meant the odds it has occurred, which seems a pointless observation.

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Try this....there are three doors, A B and C, behind one door is a prize of a car, and you have to choose one, so choose A. . In the competition you answer a question correctly and are aloud to remove one door which doesn't have the prize behind it, they remove C.

Now, pay attention, you can change your original pick from door A to the other remaining door B, do you change or not?

There is a correct answer based on odds.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Jo - ...but a bazillion coin

Jo - ...but a bazillion coin flips all coming up heads...

A billion orders of magnitude? And you wonder why people think you are dishonest?

Show your work (and I'm trying to say that with a straight face).

Delaware's picture
@Nyarlathotep

@Nyarlathotep

How can I "show my work" for a philosophical statement I made?
It was not a mathematical statement, mathematical formula, or even an actual number.
Bazillion is "a very large exaggerated number."
"you were going a bazillion miles per hour!"
https://www.google.com/search?q=bazillion&cad=h

I just came to the place where I had to be honest with myself and admit that it looks rigged.

Tin-Man's picture
@Jo Re: "I just came to the

@Jo Re: "I just came to the place where I had to be honest with myself and admit that it looks rigged."

...*cough-cough-cough*.... *choke-gag-choke*.... *COUGH-cough-cough-cough*.... *beating chest with palm of hand*.... *cough*..... *clearing throat*... *cough*... Ow, wow... *catching breath*.... Phew... Excuse me... Sorry about that. I must have swallowed a fly or something... *cough*... Soooo, ummmm, yeah, anyway... Since you are supposedly attempting to be honest now, is there any chance whatsoever that you might finally start being honest with US? Or should we not get our hopes up, and therefore just stick with expecting the same ol' dishonest Mierda Fandango you have been dancing for us for the past several months? Just curious, because hearing you mention anything about "being honest", it naturally makes me very suspicious.

Delaware's picture
@ Tin-Man

@ Tin-Man

In what way have I been dishonest with "US"?
Please give specific instances, and explain how those instances were dishonest.
Not just opinion and ad hominem attacks.

Because you like humor and sarcasm, I ask.
How do you, and others, know my motives and state of mind, with such certainty?
Is there some mind reading ability, or some other supernatural ability?

/edited for spelling

Nyarlathotep's picture
Jo - In what way have I been

Jo - In what way have I been dishonest with "US"?
Please give specific instances,...

Jo - Some famous physics ( sorry, can't find the reference) once calculated the odds of the universe just happening on its own was a trillion zeros to the millionth power.

Delaware's picture
@ Nyarlathotep

@ Nyarlathotep

Did you think that a "trillion zeros to the millionth power" was actual number?
Kind of like gazillion?

Can you give the forum where you got this quote so we can all see it in context?

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