I am worth nothing

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Mikeykitty123's picture
I am worth nothing

I am just a bunch of cells. Nothing I do in life will ever change anything. My life is completely worthless.

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benuk78's picture
I've long wondered why people

I've long wondered why people accept that having more life automatically makes it more meaningful. As a thought experiment I imagine this:

'A person lives a normal life and dies. In death they enter Heaven and are happy. They exist in Heaven for a countless time, billions of years, perhaps trillions. One moment God decides enough has been and declares that soon all existence will be gone. The people look around and scream to each other, 'what, you mean it was all pointless?'.

I've never seen anyone actually discuss this. Perhaps I've just not seen people discussing it. Every religious person I've spoken to has just accepted it as a base part of their argument, without ever really assessing it or justifying it. We'd never accept in life that if a person lived to 40 instead of 30 they had more meaning or that their lives had more intrinsic meaning, as opposed to they just did more or had more impact. If a child dies at 5 years old we don't talk about them being meaningless or having no worth.

We would literally never do that.

However, something either in people's religions or perhaps something innate in us is making us say these types of things to ourselves, even when we would never do it to others.

My gut feeling on this is that really its just the emotion related to death / our own deaths. That thinking we exist forever calms that feeling and that is being labelled as 'meaning' or 'worth'.

But I suspect there isn't really anything much deeper to it than that, which is why even if God is real and heaven is real and we all went and existed for trillions of years I can imagine people saying exactly the same thing if they ever encountered information that Heaven itself was of a limited timespan, or that God was. They'd all be like 'Oh, so God and heaven and me and everything is all just pointless then'. As if only infinity will satiate their needs.

Sheldon's picture
I have yet to see a theist at

I have yet to see a theist at the funeral of a loved one remain unaffected. I mean to say my father died about 6 years ago and I knew from the moment the phone rang I was never going to see him again, nor he me, which for some insane reason bothered me even more at the time. Now if I thought he was only moving to a different location for a few decades then why would I care? I'd just be excited for him and looking forward to meeting up again, but that belief has never been represented in the real grief I see at funerals where theists behave just as atheists, and are inconsolable at the loss.

I concluded long ago that the belief couldn't overcome the reality.

Flamenca's picture
Michael, you posted that in

Michael, you posted that in many threads already and you are sending private mails with exactly the same content. If you are not a troll, you'd better be looking for professional care. We can try to cheer you up, as many of us have, but you sound obsessed with that idea. Either way, troll or not, this is not the proper place to do this.

CyberLN's picture
Moving to debate forum.

Moving to debate forum.

Michael, please use the Site Support room only to report technical issues with the site or ask questions about how functionality here works.

Cognostic's picture
Actually the human body,

Actually the human body, assuming you are human, is worth about $116.000. You can start selling your body parts on the black market today. Sell your Heart, Lungs, intestine; inches at a time, kidney, pancreas, liver, slices of skin for grafting, the corneas in your eyes, and a whole lot more. If you need some help getting all this together, I would be happy to volunteer.

Mikeykitty123's picture
Why? Do you wanna kill me?

Why? Do you wanna kill me?

Cognostic's picture
Another random leap of logic

Another random leap of logic I see. Why would you say that? Do you like bananas? And for your information, monkeys have tails.

Mikeykitty123's picture
I am not a monkey.

I am not a monkey.

Nyarlathotep's picture
Michael - I am not a monkey.

Michael - I am not a monkey.

See we agree on something; you are not a monkey. You are a Hominidae (a great ape).

Mikeykitty123's picture
I am a human being.

I am a human being.

Flamenca's picture
A human being, ergo a great

A human being, ergo a great ape. Both.

Mikeykitty123's picture
Please stop it. Stop calling

Please stop it. Stop calling me a ape. It's insulting.

Sheldon's picture
No it isn't, it's a

No it isn't, it's a biological fact, are you offended by the terms primate or mammal? Humans are apes, as are chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans, and gibbons.

mickron88's picture
"Humans are apes, as are

"Humans are apes, as are chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, orangutans, and gibbons."

excuse me, my ancestors are rhino's....

mickron88's picture
"It's insulting."

"It's insulting."

the way you think is insulting...

Flamenca's picture
Everyone in this forum is a

Everyone in this forum is a great ape. That's not an insult, it's a fact. And how wonderful apes human beings are!

Mikeykitty123's picture
I prefer not be compared to

I prefer not be compared to them. It tends to offend me.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ Michael

@ Michael
Just imagine how the ape feels....*wink*

arakish's picture
Hey Flamenca, I am not

Hey Flamenca, I am not insulted by that remark for I resemble said analogy.

rmfr

Flamenca's picture
Family tree.

Family tree.

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Cognostic's picture
I'm sorry I did not respond

I'm sorry I did not respond sooner. I was scratching my butt and eating a banana. Michael, why don't you give up on all this silliness and come and swing from the trees with us. If it was not for that silly little chromosome number two you would be scratching your butt and eating bananas too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkVmhXhPvqk

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog

@Cog

Hey, you thief!!!... You stole my banana!...*jumping up and down with hands raised over head*... Eeeek-eeeeek-eeeeek!!!... Just for that, you have to come over here and pick all these damn nits out of my fur!....And don't make me start throwing poo at you!... *scratching butt*...

Cognostic's picture
Cool, let's all have a poo

Cool, let's all have a poo fling fight. I have been practicing. I will pick the nits our of your fur later.

Tin-Man's picture
@Cog

@Cog

Sure you don't want to go ahead and pick those nits now? They are likely to be covered in poo later after our battle.

Old man shouts at clouds's picture
@ TM

@ TM

You mean that wasn't chocolate? Really? *puzzled scratching of butt* Tasted like chocolate....Hey Cog! What does this taste like to you? *offers encrusted bug* I just got it off TMs fur...

Cognostic's picture
Chocolate..... and is that a

Chocolate..... and is that a kernel of corn on the inside?

mickron88's picture
yes...food fight..!!!!...my

yes...food fight..!!!!...my type of game..

bring it on...

hey...wait...wait...somethings wrong here....*stares strangely to cog,t-man and old man*

*sniff...sniff* ...do you guys smell that??...alright i'm out...!!!

Tin-Man's picture
@Q

@Q

*dodging large clump thrown by Cog*.... *clothes pin pinching nose shut*..... Smell what?... I don't smell anything....*flinging clump at Cog*.... Here, Cog! Extra corn in this one!.....

Jscott2709's picture
Micheal, no one is comparing

Micheal, no one is comparing you to an ape. You by literal definition ARE an ape. Basic biology proves that to be the case. Very interesting and well worth the time allotted to study it.

Sushisnake's picture
@Justin

@Justin

Yep. And anyone who finds our ape-ness offensive ain't seen one of these:

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