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Yeah. You’re right. Hitler wasn’t such a bad guy. He just gets a bad wrap.
Are you a neo-nazi by any chance?
rat spit,
"Yeah. You’re right. Hitler wasn’t such a bad guy. He just gets a bad wrap."
I knew you would agree but he didn't get a bad "wrap", he got a bad "rap".
Trotha was much worse than Hitler = https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-germanys-extermination-program-for-blac...
And King Leopold II of Belgium makes them look like nice guys. He racked up 10-12 million victims in his greed and egotism with the full support of Europe and America. So when they didn't stand up to mass murderers like Trotha and Leopold the whining about Hitler is a little too late. They are just pissed because he killed white people instead of browns and blacks.
Maybe Hitler was taking revenge for the Jewish genocide against the Amalekites.
1 Samuel 15:3 (CEV) = “Go and attack the Amalekites! Destroy them and all their possessions. Don’t have any pity. Kill their men, women, children, and even their babies. Slaughter their cattle, sheep, camels, and donkeys.”
wow, wow, wow, wow, wow Diotrephes! Even IF the Amalekite genocide did happen, that's no justification for the Shoah! Please take that back! the bible's just a hodgepodge for fantasies, it never happened! So don't use it as proof! Please so me respect, I'm Jewish even! You can say that shit elsewhere!
Rivka,
"wow, wow, wow, wow, wow Diotrephes! Even IF the Amalekite genocide did happen, that's no justification for the Shoah! Please take that back!"
See, that is the basic problem. If you believe in the Bible and in the biblical God character then you have to believe in all of it. For instance, Zephaniah 1:2-3 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=zephaniah1:2-3&version=KJV;...
Then there are the passages in which the Jesus character says that he will kill everyone. Yahweh is the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies. Gentiles seem to like the Jesus character although he never said that he liked them. So if the Jewish deities will kill everyone how can anyone love people who have such bloodthristy deities? Jesus insists that a certain number of believers must be killed before he returns. He was not talking about Gentile believers but about Jewish believers. So if you want Jesus to returns then beievers must be killed. From the biblical pov wasn't Hitler doing Yahweh's work as one of his evil angels? And when Jesus returns he will need willing believing minions to help him kill off the rest of humanity.
The stupid ass fairy tale has caused humanity all kinds of problems. It is time to toss it into the garbage can. Unfortunately there are too many dummies in the government and positions of power that believe in it and the result is nothing but human misery.
Renounce the entire Bible and the Talmud.
No you fucking idiot. You've got it all wrong. I can't believe your a stinking anti-Semite, we've got enough of those around. No, I DON'T want Jesus back, and even if I were religious, Jews don't believe in him anyway, so you proved to me that you don't even understand the faith of my ancestors. Rather, you take shit out of context, like the passage in Tzefaniah. HaShem, in the chapter, is saying he'd destroy the wicked. Of course this is all shit anyway, but I'd root for some divine being to do that.
You want to know the reason why so many people hate us? Because they're jealous that we've survived so long, and that we didn't accept their guy in sandals waling around healing drunkards. Yes, I agree to toss faith in the garbage, but we can learn something about the times from them, so we should cherish them as historical documents, at least regarding what people thought. And no, HaShem, if he exists, didn't condone what Hitler did. That was man's work. God doesn't exist to counter than anyway.
Lastly, are you one of those nuts who goes around saying the Talmud says nasty stuff about Goys? If so, I've got news for you, it doesn't say anything of the like.
@Rivka Re: Rants
Wow! Impressive! You go, girl!
Rivka,
"Lastly, are you one of those nuts who goes around saying the Talmud says nasty stuff about Goys? If so, I've got news for you, it doesn't say anything of the like."
You should never lie about things that can easily be proven to be lies. The Talmud is loaded with hateful stuff toward the Gentiles. And if you don't admit that then you are calling the Jews who wrote that garbage liars. Is that something you want to do? I can easily prove my pov.
BTW, Ethiopians are and Arabs are semitic, do you like them?
Sir, do you even know what Talmud is? Do you know the difference between the Bavli and Yerushalmi? What about agadah and halacha? Do you even know Brisker method? What’s Mishneh Torah and the Baalei Tosafot about? Would you even know whether or not to make a panim chadashos at a Sheva Brachos celebration look like a korban olah? Better yet, you’d spray barbecue sauce all over it!
And why do I even care for any of this shit when I’m not religious? Well, it’s simple, I’m Jewish, it’s like being Italian and not knowing pizza!
So don’t say that HaKadosh Baruch Hu would have allowed the Shoah to happen, that’s a gross misinterpretation of what Tanakh teaches, regardless if it’s true or not. Which it isn’t.
@ Rivka
As Tin-Man said, "You go girl!"
rmfr
@Arakish Re: Rivka rants
I have to admit I am not very familiar with much of what she said, but it certainly did sound quite bad-ass. *grin*
Rivka,
"And why do I even care for any of this shit when I’m not religious?"
It is a good thing you aren't religious because the Bible has the God character saying that he will kill all Jews. And we know what a homicidal maniac that Jealous character is.
Thanks everyone for supporting me!!!! You have no idea how much I appreciate it!!!
Now, on to this nutty character here. He makes a few stumbles which make me laugh my balls off - if I had them, lol!
Is G-d against the Jewish people? This is worse than dumb, did he ever open a page of Torah? No.
Do I like Ethiopians and Arabs? Why would you think not, they’re awesome people, especially the secular ones.
Ya, bring it on regarding the Talmud, remember, I grew up with this shit, and if I have to verify anything with my Dad’s rabbi, I will. Just to put it out there in advance, you’re going to lose.
@Rivka
Yes, Diotrephes is a nutter.
Here is just one example (read a few posts starting here):
www.atheistrepublic.com/comment/128239
And he is such a nutter he cannot bring himself to admit when he is wrong. Like a theist he tap dances away and changes the subject.
rmfr
@ Rivka
You go girl LOL....Dio does have some very strange ideas, but he hasn't come up against someone like you on these forums...(laughing my socks off in the background) GO TEAM RIVKA!
Rivka,
Just a parting thought but some people really get pissed when other people don't buy every Jewish fairy tale. Even the Bible said that they are full of shit.
Titus 1:14 (CEV) = "14 Don’t pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands. These are made up by people who won’t obey the truth."
You can insult everyone else but as soon as you call BS on a Jewish fairy tale they go ape shit crazy. It must be a form of mental illness. And the Talmud is nothing but pure garbage. It approves of baby raping, murder, theft, lying, bestality, and abuse of non-Jews. So while we may never have a meaningful discussion about it the bottom line is it is GARBAGE!
Bye.
You love skating on thin ice don't you?
Talk about mental illness. You have just proven you are.
rmfr
Dio, or whatever the hell your name is. Titus must be some New Testament thing, it doesn’t exist in Tanakh. Never would.
Do you have any idea why we’re angry at you? Ugh? Um... maybe it’s becuase you mocked the Shoah and the state of Israel? No, couldn’t be. Well... perhaps because you called us Jews liars? Nah, you say, that ain’t right. Okay. What about being just plain anti-Semetic? No way.
Seriously, birdbrain? It’s all the above, but I forgive you, you don’t know how to read.
If the Talmud really did say all you claim it does, you’d give evidence. Obviously, you don’t even know how to comprehend a tractate on Yoma, so you obviously have no clue what it says. It’s laughable to think that some people, like you, believe the Talmud, being some 2,000 pages long, only concerns itself with a secret plot to take over the world. Well, if you ask me, we Jews are doing a pretty bad job of it. I mean, it’s been like what, 2,000 years, and all we have is a state the size of Georgia? So much for world domination!
And I’d like to see what your “meaningful discussion” would consist of: you winning?
Everyone, here’s a link I think will be really helpful, as well as exposing the lies of this rotten egg: http://talmud.faithweb.com/
I believe we’re not allowed to post links or advertise sites here, but please forgive me: I wouldn’t rest otherwise, I don’t want people going to sleep thinking there’s no answers to these crazy people, and since it’d take me forever to write it all up, I hope a link suffices.
P.S., perhaps Mr. Anti-Semite’s got some gas in the tank, if so, he’ll contact the rabbi who created the site, but I think it’s impossible: no one can debunk truth.
Roger out, and thanks everyone again for the support!
Rivka,
"If the Talmud really did say all you claim it does, you’d give evidence."
OK, I'll respond to your flamebait trolling.
1. THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA VOL. V
"...they held that only Israelites are men, quoting the prophet, “Ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men” (Ezek. xxxiv. 31); Gentiles they classed not as men but as barbarians"
"For it has been taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai said: The graves of Gentiles do not defile, for it is written, And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men;5 only ye are designated 'men'.6"
http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b
2. Gentiles have to obey Jewish laws or die =
"R. Huna, Rab Judah, and all the disciples of Rab maintained: A heathen is executed for the violation of the seven Noachian laws; the Divine Law having revealed this of one [murder], it applies to all. Now is a heathen executed for robbery? Has it not been taught: 'With respect to robbery — if one stole or robbed30 or [seized] a beautiful woman,31 or [committed] similar offences,32 if [these were perpetrated] by one Cuthean33 against another, [the theft, etc.] must not be kept, and likewise [the theft] of an Israelite by a Cuthean, but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained'?34 But if robbery is a capital offence, should not the Tanna have taught: He incurs a penalty? — Because the second clause wishes to state, 'but that of a Cuthean by an Israelite may be retained,' therefore the former clause reads, '[theft of an Israelite by a Cuthean] must not be kept.'35 But where a penalty is incurred, it is explicitly stated, for the commencing clause teaches: 'For murder, whether of a Cuthean by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty'?36"
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_57.html#T258
3. Jewish priests can marry women who screw dogs and donkies.
"R. Shimi b. Hiyya stated: A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a priest.17 Likewise it was taught: A woman who had intercourse with that which is no human being,18 though she is in consequence subject to the penalty of stoning,19 is nevertheless permitted to marry a priest.20
When R. Dimi came21 he related: It once happened at Haitalu22 that while a young woman was sweeping the floor23 a village dog24 covered her from the rear,25 and Rabbi permitted her to marry a priest. Samuel said: Even a High Priest. But was there a High Priest in the days of Rabbi?26 — Rather, [Samuel meant]: Fit for a High Priest. "
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_59.html
4. Baby raping is an approved activity =
"R. Jeremiah of Difti said: We also learnt the following: A maiden aged three years and a day may be acquired in marriage by coition, and if her deceased husband's brother cohabited with her, she becomes his. The penalty of adultery may be incurred through her; [if a niddah,] she defiles him who has connection with her, so that he in turn defiles that upon which he lies, as a garment which has lain upon [a person afflicted with gonorrhoea]. If she married a priest, she may eat of terumah; if any unfit person cohabits with her, he disqualifies her from the priesthood. If any of the forbidden degrees had intercourse with her, they are executed on her account, but she is exempt.22"
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_69.html
5. It is OK for a mother to screw her son if he is less than eight years old.
"Our Rabbis taught: If a woman sported lewdly with her young son [a minor], and he committed the first stage of cohabitation with her, — Beth Shammai say, he thereby renders her unfit to the priesthood.4 Beth Hillel declare her fit. R. Hiyya the son of Rabbah b. Nahmani said in R. Hisda's name; others state, R. Hisda said in Ze'iri's name: All agree that the connection of a boy aged nine years and a day is a real connection; whilst that of one less than eight years is not:5 their dispute refers only to one who is eight years old, Beth Shammai maintaining, We must base our ruling on the earlier generations, but6 Beth Hillel hold that we do not."
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_69.html
6. Gentiles don't have property rights. This helps to explain the Israelis current practice of stealing the Palestinians' lands and property.
"Rab Judah said in the name of Samuel: The property of a heathen3 is on the same footing as desert land; whoever first occupies it acquires ownership."
http://www.come-and-hear.com/bababathra/bababathra_54.html#T274
7. If a Gentile takes a day off he deserves to die.
"A heathen who keeps a day of rest, deserves death, for it is written, And a day and a night they shall not rest,36"
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_58.html
8. It is OK to have sex with a corpse since she can't get pregnant.
"Raba said: For what purpose did the All Merciful write 'carnally' in connection with the designated bondmaid,14 a married woman,15 and a sotah?16 That in connection with the designated bondmaid [is required] as has just been explained.17 That in connection with a married woman excludes intercourse with a relaxed membrum.18 This is a satisfactory interpretation in accordance with the view of him who maintains that if one cohabited with forbidden relatives with relaxed membrum he is exonerated;19 what, however, can be said, according to him who maintains [that for such an act one is] guilty? — The exclusion is rather that of intercourse with a dead woman.20"
http://www.come-and-hear.com/yebamoth/yebamoth_55.html
9. Ham became the first black person because he screwed Noah. That is the start of modern racism.
"Our Rabbis taught: Three copulated in the ark, and they were all punished — the dog, the raven, and Ham. The dog was doomed to be tied, the raven expectorates [his seed into his mate's mouth]. and Ham was smitten in his skin.34"
footnote 34 = I.e., from him descended Cush (the negro) who is black-skinned.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_108.html
10. Pedophilia is OK =
" Rab said: Pederasty with a child below nine years of age is not deemed as pederasty with a child above that. Samuel said: Pederasty with a child below three years is not treated as with a child above that.24
footnote 24 = I.e., Rab makes nine years the minimum; but if one committed sodomy with a child of lesser age, no guilt is incurred. Samuel makes three the minimum.
http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_54.html
No one kick him out yet, I'm working on a response. His arguments are paper thin and pretty stupid.
Okay, Mr. Dio, are you ready to place a paper bag over your head for the rest of time? You look all too foolish!
One thing of note everyone: would it make sense for a document to say one thing only to contradict itself later? The answer's no. Therefore, guys, if I can provide counter-points to the general claims he posted, that should suffice. Anyone not getting what I'm about to do here? Okay, let's start. By the way, had he taken some of these from the seferia, not Sonico, he'd have no problem as it'd all be resolved over there and has better English.
#1
So, Mr. Dio says the Talmud calls non-Jews animals (Bava Metzia 114b, B.T.). But wait a second, does it really say that? Nope. But first off, I want to ask him how he'd interpret it, and why he interprets it as such, because Judiasm isn't a monolith belief. So all I really have to do is kick this sucker in the shin and walk the fuck off.
...Do I really have to answer him!!! Really? We can’t just smack this fucker in the face?
...Fine! I'll answer it.
The law says that a corpse is a source of impurity, but even that was debated in the age of the great tanaaim regarding if that extended to all bodies or just Jewish ones, because even at that level of Torah law, non-Jews don't become tamei while alive. So the proof-text used in Yechezkel (Ezekiel) is used out of context as a mnemonic device. Fair enough?
#2
Mr. Dio again has no knowledge of Talmud Bavli. None. He simply cuts shit out and pasts it wherever he wants. The text is talking about non-Jews who may happen to live under Jewish rule and the laws demanded are, I think, pretty reasonable. I mean, who'd have a problem with no rape, adultery, incest, bestiality, murder, theft, public blasphemy, idolatry, eating limbs off living animals, etc., you know, all good stuff to avoid, right? Again, it has to deal with complex jurisdiction, which crimes are punishable by who's courts depending on who's the victim and who's the criminal. What about listing the 7 Noahide laws instead, Dio? That way we can gauge if you’d think them disagreeabe or unreasonable as blanket statements for society? Why do I even bother to ask? Because Gentiles aren’t required to preform mitzvot, this, however, doesn’t equate to their spiritual ratio - a Gentile’s worth isn’t 7 to 613; they were created in G-d’s intellect after all (Rambam). So basically, the Noahide laws ask the “learned of the nations” to not “be a dick.” What’s wrong with that, Dio? Sure, I don’t personally believe HaShem gave any laws to anyone, but in the context of this argument, it really isn’t too bad.
#3
Well, it’s a good thing we Jews are equipped to defend these attacks!
So Dio, which legal system do you think your people had in place around 500 CE? What were their thoughts on slavery, age of sexual consent, and dealings with non-believers? And today, many Jews don’t follow exactly what’s written in the Talmud Bavli anyway, dah.
So what about Yebamoth 59b, I believe that’s where he’s getting this “Jewish woman can have sex with a dog or demon and still marry a kohen” from. Based on the Written Torah, a kohen can only marry a virgin. But the Chazal questioned what should happen if she’d lied about being a virgin, and they sure used exaggerated examples! Welll, based on rabbinic teaching, she’s be eligible for stoning (there’s a ton of shit which has to go on for that to ever happen, I don’t want to go into it now, but basically, stoning hardly ever happened, maybe once in 70 years if you believe the Talmudic account). This was the answer from R. Shimi bar Chiya. The reason she’s acquitted (in this example) is because she hasn’t “technically” lost her virginity, so it was just a misunderstanding on the court’s end. And even though the hymen broke in this myth, R. Dimi notes her repentance and hence, why she was allowed to marry the kohen. But that’s of course all in the next passage! Mr. Dio here can’t quote a passage out of context from its surrounding.
#4
Saying that sex with a three year old girl counts legally as sex with all the consequences and ramifications including for rape and assault is very different than claiming that pedophelia was commonplace or socially acceptable in any civilization. Child marriage was somewhat common, and, like any culture of the time, marriages were arranged between families for politics. Therefore, you’re imposing a very different understanding of love and marriage on my ancient society. After all, how often do you think beastiality was practiced amongst ancient Israel and how does it remotely relate to the rate in which it was practiced by neighboring Gentile communities? More seriously, you should know that Judaism values discourse and thought experiment over baseless concrete answers, this is why a lot of stuff written in the Talmud is documented because these were important issues being faced by contemporary Jews. In so many ways, the Talmud is unlike the U.S. Supreme Court - Talmud isn’t a record of cases heard at trial, it’s a bunch of learned people extrapolating from the laws they already have to develop a more completed corpus in the event that a Jew has a question about the future. In hindsight, the reason that passage is there isn’t because a lady shtupped a horse and then tried to marry a kohen, or because our Chazal were saying like, “yeah, totally go into town on your own livestock.” Nope. It’s there because somebody wanted to examine the theoretical intersection between laws on sex, marriage, and kohanim.
Lastly, to go off tangent a little here, let’s say a father wanted the right to marry his daughter (assuming she somehow gave consent to this), it would be agreed upon the social norms of the time, as outlined in Kidushin 41a, B.T. Therefore, it would be forbidden for a man to betroth his daughter while she was young, as he should have to wait until she was fully grown. That was the rabbinic decree, what more can I say?
#5
Facepalm. Again, this is discussing the consequences of a particular action within the current legal system, it’s different than stating that a behavior is allowed, even if it were done in passive submission. For girls age 3 (I was 3 once, and I can confirm that I wasn’t raped by my rabbi), and boys aged 9. Those ages are the cut off point after which sex counts as, well, sex. This is in contrast to the idea that sex only counts as sex at sexual maturity, so in hindsight, it actually expands the punishable acts of incest, adultery, and child sexual abuse, birdbrain. The children who’d be raped, hypothetical, wouldn’t be punished at all. Then again, I wouldn’t expect anything less from an old anti-Semite.
So the other two are about rape and incest, same as previously, and, again, this doesn’t mean it was encouraged. Note that the second one doesn’t even land on an opinion.
Remember, the Jewish G-d loathed these evil acts, which would be punished by a Beth Din if committed. Dio simply and unwittingly isolated what the rabbis were saying to make it appear as if they were condoning it!
#6
Read it in context, Dio, you’re incorrect. The text is saying that the level of Torah law, for Jews, is that if one were to buy something, they’d need to preform a formal act of acquisition. For non-Jews, since they think money works, they don’t own it until they receive the money, but the Jew buying it doesn’t get the land until he or she DOES an acquisition! So in the interim, technically, another Jew could grab the free land which is now ownerless since the non-Jew sold it. So it actually demonstrates that non-Jews very much do have property rights, but that they operate slightly differently than ours’
because we have a different legal system with different assumptions about property and transactions.
Again, Dio, in case you didn’t get it, in sales of land, Gentiles are considered final upon the receipt of money, whereas Jewish lands
are final upon the transfer of the deed. Simple, right? Again, Dio took more obscure legal stuff out of context.
#7
Here Dio gets a bit wackier. Again, like the above, this applies specifically to non-Jews living in a Jewish kingdom, in which case, they try to co-opt Shabbat which is a unique Jewish Brit with HaShem. So if the non-Jew rests on different days, or does things which he or she thinks are restful which Jews wouldn’t do, like cooking of driving, it’s not a violation for them, right? Also, the conclusion of this sugya is that we just tell them that they are liable of capital punishment, and not that anyone would actually kill them for it! Also, the rest of 58b deals with husband and wife relations, so Dio’s doing some real hardcore cherry-picking with these quotes.
#8
So... didn’t Dio know that necrophilia isn’t considered sex by halachic standards? It’s simply not allowed, because it’s disrespcting the dead, but ya, it’s not sex. Of course we Jews have our own taboos around corpses, mourning, and death. But again, like almost everything else we’ve dealt with, these issues are theoretical, and the modern Jewish practice includes watching the corpses until they’re buried (and, subsequently, inaccessible for sex). I mean, personally, I’ve never heard of a burial committee letting someone bone down on a dead person, it’s just not a thing, and the idea is reprehensible in Jewish tradition. Even in theory, it you were allowed access to it somehow, it’d be he’ll to pull it off in practice.
#9
Check out Rabbi Stephen Belaky on that one, he has a lot to say on the so called “curse of Ham.” But to be frank, Dio’s again wrong on this one. The text quoted has nothing to do with the dark skin of Africans. In short, the plain sense of what this mark of Ham was has nothing to do with Africans, merely, it was just a skin mark like any mark or birth defect, and had - as I understand it - nothing to do with inheritance and descendants. If anything, it’s racist for Dio to even make the case! The notion of the curse of Ham signifying Black people comes from Christian writing, not Jewish ones. However, I hate to say it, but some fellow Jews in my community are racist - there’s always going to be some rotten eggs in everyone’s basket - but to say ALL Jews, by default, are racist, is the biggest load of shit I’ve ever heard. So many Jews willingly stood by their Black counterparts during the Civil Rights movement when many Whites (again, not all), we’re yelling shit and spraying them with hoses. Perhaps one reason Jews relate to African Americans better is because we both share similar histories of persecution? Who knows, regardless, the Jewish position always held that if a man, G-d forbid, cursed someone, without divine credence, it means nothing. So the curse of Ham is basically baseless regardless.
#10
This one was just laughable, it’s the same as above. Age cut off for what counts legally as “sex”, not merely a violent assault on girls or boys. Literally, anything involving pederastry = ancient Greeks. Seriously, anti-Semites and White Supremacists, such as Dio, love the shit out of the ancient Greeks, though they will never acknowledge the fact that that whole culture was built on pederastry. Again, I’m sure the rate of pederastry in both Jewish and non-Jewish circles would be an interesting comparison, but the passage here mainly concerns itself with what legally constitutes as pederastry. Lastly, just like the “Ham is Black” thing, I’m sure they’re just as much Jewish racists and pedophiles out there as any ethnic group, just know that we, as a world community, don’t condone such things, those people work as individuals, without our blessing.
So what did Dio show us? He showed us that he listed a bunch of nonsense in a combination of super-selective quotes, out of context, and, along the way, mistranslated them or flat out lied about them. But I know none of this will convince a Hitler-loving anti-Semite. So saying all this is not a waste of time, because it’s good to get the truth out there, but personally, I’d be more happy just kicking this asshole in the shin. You have no idea just how much I wish I could just do it!
I will admit, some of my friends helped me with this, and I’m glad for it. I don’t think we need anymore accusations against the Talmud as I’ve covered them all and showed this guy to be a complete fool.
Heads up everyone, I didn't start this heated discussion with Mr. anti-Semite here. He provoked me, and when provoked and in defense, I get my claws all out. So, sorry guys. I was left no choice.
But like I said earlier, I think this guy's lost his marbles 101 and has no counter-arguments. So that was it.
@ Rivka
And you did rather nicely. We got your back.
rmfr
Thanks! I'm glad you don't see it as a "war" between me and him, which shouldn't be going on, but rather as a defense against baseless hatred. :)
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