Inconceivable God

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JazzTheist: "''Religion is

JazzTheist: "''Religion is evil and stupid, period'' is a presupposition of your worldview. Which is why I don't argue from a religious perspective with atheists."

And when one has lived through the EVIL of religion as a child, as a teenager, in the military, as a parent, it is no longer a presupposition. It is a fact. Religion is an evil that does not belong in a civilized society. Yes. There is some good in religion, but its evil far outweighs any good it could ever do.

Furthermore, at least there are facts and evidence showing the EVIL of religion. You cannot even provide any OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE of anything you believe in. Let me put it another way.

Why should I believe anything you say when you cannot provide ANY evidence at all? Why should I believe a Religious Absolutist when all Religious Absolutists are incapable of speaking the truth? Why should I believe any Religious Absolutist who cannot and will not even give a definition of what they mean by god? Why should I believe any Religious Absolutist who worships the most vindictive, bloodthirsty, murdering, megalomaniacal, malevolent, and horrible MONSTER to ever haunt all of humanity in all of history?

If you are not such a coward, then truly read all these verses and THINK CRITICALLY while reading them. This is the monster you worship.

Aborticidal - the killing of an unborn fetus, an abortifacient. Abortifacient: Causing abortion.
Numbers 5:21–22
Hosea 9:11–16
Hosea 13:16

Angry - having a strong feeling of or showing annoyance, displeasure, or hostility.
Exodus 15:6-8
Exodus 22:20-24
Exodus 32:9-10
Exodus 4:14
Numbers 11:1
Numbers 11:10
Numbers 11:10
Numbers 11:33
Numbers 12:9
Numbers 16:46
Numbers 22:22-30
Numbers 25:3
Numbers 25:4
Numbers 32:13-14
Deuteronomy 1:34-37
Deuteronomy 11:16
Deuteronomy 11:16-17
Deuteronomy 29:18-20
Deuteronomy 29:22-24
Deuteronomy 29:27-28
Deuteronomy 3:26
Deuteronomy 31:17
Deuteronomy 32:22
Deuteronomy 4:21
Deuteronomy 6:14-15
Deuteronomy 7:3-4
Deuteronomy 9:19-22
Deuteronomy 9:7-8
Joshua 22:18
Joshua 23:16
Joshua 7:1
Joshua 7:26
Judges 10:7
Judges 2:14
Judges 2:20
Judges 3:8
1 Samuel 11:6-7
2 Samuel 22:8-9
2 Samuel 24:1
2 Samuel 6:6-7
1 Kings 11:9
1 Kings 14:15
1 Kings 14:9-10
1 Kings 16:13
1 Kings 16:1-3
1 Kings 16:26
1 Kings 16:33
1 Kings 16:7
1 Kings 21:22
1 Kings 22:53
2 Kings 13:3
2 Kings 17:11
2 Kings 17:17
2 Kings 17:18
2 Kings 21:14-15
2 Kings 21:14-15
2 Kings 21:6
2 Kings 22:13
2 Kings 22:17
2 Kings 23:19
2 Kings 23:26
2 Kings 24:20
1 Chronicles 13:10
2 Chronicles 12:12
2 Chronicles 19:10
2 Chronicles 19:2
2 Chronicles 25:15
2 Chronicles 28:25
2 Chronicles 28:9-11
2 Chronicles 29:8-10
2 Chronicles 30:8
2 Chronicles 32:26
2 Chronicles 34:21
2 Chronicles 34:25
Ezra 10:14
Ezra 5:12
Ezra 7:23
Ezra 8:22
Ezra 9:14
Nehemiah 13:18
Job 16:9
Job 19:11
Job 20:21-23
Job 20:28
Job 21:17-20
Job 4:9
Job 42:7
Job 9:13
Job 9:4-6
Psalm 102:9-10
Psalm 106:29
Psalm 106:40-41
Psalm 110:5
Psalm 18:7-8
Psalm 2:11-12
Psalm 2:4-6
Psalm 21:9
Psalm 38:1
Psalm 56:7
Psalm 59:13
Psalm 6:1
Psalm 60:1
Psalm 69:24
Psalm 7:11
Psalm 7:6
Psalm 74:1
Psalm 76:7-8
Psalm 78:21-22
Psalm 78:38
Psalm 78:49-50
Psalm 78:58-59
Psalm 79:2
Psalm 79:5-6
Psalm 80:4
Psalm 85:3-5
Psalm 88:16
Psalm 88:6-7
Psalm 89:38
Psalm 89:46
Psalm 90:11
Psalm 90:7
Proverbs 16:14
Proverbs 24:17-18
Ecclesiastes 5:6
Isaiah 1:24
Isaiah 10:24-26
Isaiah 10:4-6
Isaiah 12:1
Isaiah 13:13
Isaiah 13:2-6
Isaiah 13:9-10
Isaiah 30:27,30,33
Isaiah 34:2
Isaiah 42:25
Isaiah 47:6
Isaiah 5:25
Isaiah 51:17
Isaiah 51:20
Isaiah 54:8
Isaiah 57:17
Isaiah 59:17
Isaiah 63:1-6
Isaiah 63:3
Isaiah 64:9
Isaiah 66:15
Isaiah 9:12
Isaiah 9:19
Isaiah 9:21
Jeremiah 10:10
Jeremiah 10:25
Jeremiah 11:17
Jeremiah 12:13
Jeremiah 15:14
Jeremiah 17:4
Jeremiah 21:12
Jeremiah 21:5-6
Jeremiah 23:19-20
Jeremiah 25:15
Jeremiah 25:6-7
Jeremiah 30:23-24
Jeremiah 32:29-32
Jeremiah 32:37
Jeremiah 33:5
Jeremiah 36:7
Jeremiah 4:26-27
Jeremiah 4:4
Jeremiah 4:4
Jeremiah 4:8
Jeremiah 42:18
Jeremiah 44:3
Jeremiah 44:6-7
Jeremiah 44:7-8
Jeremiah 49:37
Jeremiah 50:13
Jeremiah 50:25
Jeremiah 51:45
Jeremiah 52:3
Jeremiah 6:11
Jeremiah 7:18
Jeremiah 7:20
Jeremiah 7:29
Jeremiah 8:19
Lamentations 1:12
Lamentations 2:1-4
Lamentations 2:6
Lamentations 3:1-3
Lamentations 3:42-44
Lamentations 4:11
Lamentations 4:11
Leviticus 26:27-29
Leviticus 26:28
Ezekiel 13:12-15
Ezekiel 14:19
Ezekiel 16:38-43
Ezekiel 20:13
Ezekiel 20:21
Ezekiel 20:33-35
Ezekiel 20:8
Ezekiel 21:31-32
Ezekiel 21:5-17
Ezekiel 22:20-22
Ezekiel 22:22
Ezekiel 22:31
Ezekiel 23:25
Ezekiel 24:13
Ezekiel 24:8
Ezekiel 25:14
Ezekiel 25:17
Ezekiel 30:15
Ezekiel 36:18
Ezekiel 36:6
Ezekiel 38:18
Ezekiel 38:19
Ezekiel 43:8
Ezekiel 5:13
Ezekiel 5:15-16
Ezekiel 6:12-13
Ezekiel 7:2
Ezekiel 7:3
Ezekiel 9:8
Daniel 9:16
Hosea 13:11
Hosea 5:10
Hosea 8:5
Jonah 3:9
Micah 5:14-15
Micah 7:9
Nahum 1:2
Nahum 1:6
Nahum 1:6
Habakkuk 3:12
Habakkuk 3:8
Zephaniah 2:1-3
Zephaniah 3:8
Zephaniah 3:8
Malachi 1:2-4
Zechariah 1:12
Zechariah 1:14-15
Zechariah 1:2
Zechariah 10:3
Zechariah 7:12
Zechariah 8:14
Zechariah 8:2

Bloodthirsty - eager to shed blood and containing much violence.
Exodus 24:4-6
Exodus 29:10-12
Exodus 29:15-16
Exodus 30:10
Leviticus 1:10-11
Leviticus 1:15
Leviticus 1:5
Leviticus 14:14
Leviticus 16:14-15
Leviticus 16:18-19
Leviticus 16:27
Leviticus 17:11
Leviticus 17:6
Leviticus 20:11-12
Leviticus 20:13
Leviticus 20:16
Leviticus 20:27
Leviticus 20:9
Leviticus 3:13
Leviticus 3:2
Leviticus 3:8
Leviticus 4:16-18
Leviticus 4:17
Leviticus 4:25
Leviticus 4:30
Leviticus 4:34
Leviticus 4:5
Leviticus 4:6
Leviticus 4:7
Leviticus 5:9
Leviticus 7:14
Leviticus 8:15
Leviticus 8:23-24
Leviticus 8:30
Leviticus 9:12
Leviticus 9:18
Leviticus 9:9
Numbers 18:17
Numbers 19:1-5
Deuteronomy 32:39-43
1 Kings 2:9
2 Kings 9:33-37
2 Chronicles 29:22-24
2 Chronicles 35:11
Isaiah 34:2-3
Isaiah 34:6
Isaiah 63:6
Jeremiah 46:10
Jeremiah 48:1,10
Ezekiel 14:19
Ezekiel 16:38
Ezekiel 24:8
Ezekiel 28:22-23
Ezekiel 3:16,20
Ezekiel 32:6
Ezekiel 35:6
Ezekiel 38:22-23
Ezekiel 39:17-18
Ezekiel 5:17
Joel 2:30
Zephaniah 1:17

Bully - a person who uses strength or power to harm or intimidate those who are weaker.
Exodus 10:1-2
Exodus 14:4
Exodus 15:6-8
Exodus 9:15-16
Exodus 9:16
Leviticus 24:16
Deuteronomy 28:58-59
Deuteronomy 32:39
Job 40:1-2
Job 40:6-9
Job 9:22-23
Job 9:30-31
Psalm 46:8-10
Isaiah 2:19
Ezekiel 20:25-26
Ezekiel 20:25-26
Ezekiel 28:22-23
Ezekiel 28:22-23
Ezekiel 38:19-20
Ezekiel 38:22-23
Ezekiel 6:5-10
Habakkuk 3:3-6

Cannibalistic - a person who eats the flesh of other human beings.
Leviticus 26:27–29
Deuteronomy 28:47–57
Deuteronomy 28:53
Isaiah 9:19–20
Isaiah 49:25–26
Jeremiah 19:7–9
Lamentations 2:20
Lamentations 4:9–11
Ezekiel 5:8–10

Capriciously Malevolent - given to sudden and unaccountable changes of mood or behavior and having or showing a wish to do evil to others.
Exodus 32:7-14
Exodus 4:11
Deuteronomy 29:1
Joshua 11:20
1 Samuel 15:10-11
Job 10:8
Job 19:6-11
Job 2:3
Job 23:16
Job 42:11
Job 6:4
Job 9:17-18
Job 9:22-24
Proverbs 16:4
Isaiah 45:7
Isaiah 45:7
Isaiah 9:17
Jeremiah 26:19
Ezekiel 20:21-22
Ezekiel 20:25-26
Lamentations 3:38
Amos 3:6

Control Freak - a person who is obsessed with or unusually enthusiastic in a wild and irrational way about the power to influence or direct people's behavior or the course of events due to the effects of extreme mental illness.
Exodus 20:25
Exodus 25:8–31
Exodus 25:31–40
Exodus 26:1–13
Exodus 27:19
Exodus 28:4–42
Exodus 29:10–14
Exodus 30:17–21
Exodus 31:1–6
Exodus 36:1
Leviticus 15:1–33
Deuteronomy 2:2–24
Deuteronomy 14:21
1 Samuel 2:6–7
Job 12:10
Isaiah 14:24
Isaiah 45:6–7
Jeremiah 10:23

Curse-hurling - a solemn utterance vehemently intended to invoke a supernatural power to inflict harm or punishment on someone or something.
Genesis 12:3
Genesis 3:14
Genesis 3:17
Genesis 4:9-11
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
Deuteronomy 27:15-26
Deuteronomy 28:15-20
Deuteronomy 29:10-27
Deuteronomy 29:20
Deuteronomy 29:26-27
Deuteronomy 30:19
Deuteronomy 30:7-8
Judges 5:23
1 Samuel 26:19
2 Chronicles 34:24-25
Nehemiah 13:25
Psalm 37:22
Proverbs 3:33
Isaiah 24:1,6
Jeremiah 11:3-4
Jeremiah 17:5-6
Jeremiah 17:5-6
Jeremiah 44:2-9,22
Lamentations 3:64-66
Ezekiel 32:3-15
Daniel 9:11
Malachi 2:2-3
Malachi 4:6

Ethnic Cleanser - the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society. The systematic forced removal of ethnic or religious groups from a given territory by a more powerful ethnic group, often with the intent of making it ethnically homogeneous.
Exodus 21:15
Exodus 22:20
Exodus 23:23-24,33
Exodus 32:27-29
Exodus 34:11-13
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 21:9
Leviticus 24:13-16
Leviticus 26:21-22
Leviticus 26:30-31
Numbers 1:51
Numbers 21:2-3
Numbers 25:4-5
Numbers 31:9-10
Numbers 33:50-53
Numbers 33:52-53
Deuteronomy 12:2-3
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Deuteronomy 17:12
Deuteronomy 18:20
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Deuteronomy 7:1-2
Deuteronomy 7:21-25
Joshua 11:21-22
Joshua 8:28
Judges 2:2
1 Samuel 15:3
1 Kings 18:39-40
2 Kings 19:35
2 Chronicles 14:2-5
2 Chronicles 15:13
2 Chronicles 28:9
2 Chronicles 34:1-7
Nehemiah 13:1-3
Esther 9:13-17
Esther 9:5-6
Isaiah 34:5-7
Jeremiah 49:2
Jeremiah 50:18-27
Jeremiah 51:20-23
Lamentations 2:17-22
Ezekiel 35:7-8
Ezekiel 5:11-16
Ezekiel 6:13-14
Ezekiel 9:4-6
Hosea 13:4-9

Filicidal - a parent who kills, or causes the killing of, a son or daughter.
Genesis 22:2
Exodus 22:29–30
Leviticus 21:9
Leviticus 26:27–29
Deuteronomy 13:6–10
Deuteronomy 21:18–21
Deuteronomy 28:53
Deuteronomy 28:56–57
Judges 11:11-39
Jeremiah 19:9
Lamentations 4:10
Ezekiel 5:9–10
Zechariah 13:2–3

Genocidal - relating to or involving the deliberate killing of a large group of people of a particular nation or ethnic group.
Genesis 6:6-8
Numbers 21:2-3
Numbers 31:7-40
Deuteronomy 2:32-34
Deuteronomy 2:32-34
Deuteronomy 3:3-6
Deuteronomy 7:1-2
Deuteronomy 7:16
Deuteronomy 13:12-15
Deuteronomy 20:10-19
Deuteronomy 20:16-17
Joshua 6:21
Joshua 8:25-28
Joshua 10:28-40
Joshua 11:10-11
Joshua 11:12
Joshua 11:16-20
Joshua 11:21-22
Judges 1:22-26
Judges 18:1-28
1 Samuel 15:2-3
1 Samuel 15:7-8
1 Samuel 27:8-9
Jeremiah 50:21

Homicidal - of, relating to, or tending toward murder.
Exodus 21:15
Exodus 22:20
Exodus 32:27-29
Leviticus 20:10
Leviticus 21:9
Leviticus 24:13-16
Leviticus 26:21-22
Numbers 1:51
Numbers 25:4-5
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Deuteronomy 17:12
Deuteronomy 18:20
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
1 Kings 18:39-40
2 Kings 19:35
2 Chronicles 15:13
2 Chronicles 28:9
Esther 9:5-6
Esther 9:13-17
Isaiah 34:5-7
Jeremiah 50:18-27
Jeremiah 51:20-23
Lamentations 2:17-22
Ezekiel 5:11-16
Ezekiel 9:4-6
Ezekiel 35:7-8
Hosea 13:4-9

Homophobic - having or showing an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13

Infanticidal - the act of killing an infant; the practice of killing newborn infants; a person who kills infants.
Exodus 12:29
Leviticus 26:21-22
Numbers 31:17
Deuteronomy 2:31-34
Deuteronomy 3:3-6
Deuteronomy 13:6-11
Deuteronomy 28:53
1 Samuel 15:2-3
1 Samuel 22:19
2 Samuel 12:13-18
2 Kings 2:23-24
Psalm 137:8-9
Isaiah 13:11-18
Jeremiah 13:14
Jeremiah 19:3-9
Ezekiel 9:4-6
Hosea 9:11-16
Hosea 13:16

Jealous - making others work extremely hard to meet unachievable standards in faithfulness and exclusive worship.
Exodus 20:4-6
Exodus 34:14
Deuteronomy 4:24
Deuteronomy 6:15
Deuteronomy 29:20
Deuteronomy 32:19-21
Joshua 24:19
Psalm 78:58
Psalm 79:5-6
Ezekiel 5:13
Ezekiel 36:5-7
Ezekiel 38:19
Ezekiel 39:25
Nahum 1:2
Zechariah 1:14-15
Zechariah 8:2

Megalomaniacal - a person who is obsessed with their own power.
Exodus 9:15-16
Exodus 14:4
Exodus 15:11
Exodus 15:6-8
Exodus 15:7
Exodus 40:35
Numbers 14:10-11
Numbers 14:21-23
Numbers 16:19
Deuteronomy 3:24
Deuteronomy 32:3
Deuteronomy 5:24
Deuteronomy 7:21
Deuteronomy 10:17
Deuteronomy 10:20
Deuteronomy 11:2
Deuteronomy 28:58-59
Deuteronomy 32:39
Joshua 4:24
1 Chronicles 16:24
1 Chronicles 16:25
1 Chronicles 29:11
1 Chronicles 29:11-13
2 Chronicles 7:2
Nehemiah 1:5
Nehemiah 9:32
Nehemiah 9:5-6
Job 36:22
Job 36:5
Job 37:4-5
Psalm 8:1
Psalm 19:1
Psalm 21:13
Psalm 24:7-10
Psalm 29:2
Psalm 29:3
Psalm 29:4
Psalm 29:5
Psalm 29:9
Psalm 48:1
Psalm 50:1
Psalm 57:5
Psalm 57:11
Psalm 68:34
Psalm 72:18
Psalm 72:19
Psalm 76:1-4
Psalm 76:7
Psalm 76:11-12
Psalm 90:11
Psalm 93:1-5
Psalm 95:3
Psalm 96:3
Psalm 96:4
Psalm 99:3
Psalm 102:15
Psalm 106:8
Psalm 108:5
Psalm 113:4
Psalm 138:5
Psalm 145:11
Psalm 145:12-13
Psalm 145:3
Psalm 145:5-6
Psalm 148:13
Psalm 150:2
Isaiah 2:10
Isaiah 2:19
Isaiah 3:8
Isaiah 6:1
Isaiah 6:3
Isaiah 24:23
Isaiah 33:10-12
Isaiah 40:5
Isaiah 42:21
Isaiah 49:26
Isaiah 60:19
Isaiah 63:14-15
Isaiah 66:18,23
Jeremiah 17:12-13
Jeremiah 32:18-19
Jeremiah 32:27
Ezekiel 20:25-26
Ezekiel 38:19-20
Ezekiel 38:22-23
Ezekiel 39:21
Ezekiel 43:2
Habakkuk 2:14
Habakkuk 3:3-6

Merciless - showing no mercy or pity.
Deuteronomy 7:1-2
Deuteronomy 7:16
Deuteronomy 19:21
Deuteronomy 25:11-12
Joshua 11:20
2 Chronicles 36:16
Isaiah 9:17
Isaiah 13:11-18
Isaiah 27:11
Jeremiah 11:11
Jeremiah 13:14
Jeremiah 20:16
Jeremiah 21:7
Lamentations 2:2
Lamentations 2:17-22
Ezekiel 5:11
Ezekiel 7:9
Ezekiel 8:18
Ezekiel 24:13-14
Hosea 1:6
Hosea 2:4
Hosea 9:15
Amos 1:11
Zechariah 11:6

Misogynistic - a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
Genesis 3:16
Exodus 20:17
Exodus 21:7
Exodus 22:29-31
Exodus 23:17
Leviticus 6:14-18
Leviticus 12:1-5
Leviticus 27:1-7
Numbers 3:15,28
Numbers 5:15-31
Numbers 30:1-8,16
Numbers 31:17-18
Numbers 31:25-35
Numbers 36:8-12
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
Deuteronomy 24:1-4
Judges 1:12-13
Judges 5:30
Judges 8:30-31
2 Samuel 12:11
Job 14:1-4
Job 25:4
Isaiah 19:16
Jeremiah 8:9-10
Lamentations 1:8-9
Ezekiel 36:16-17
Hosea 9:1
Nahum 3:4-6

Pestilential - of or relating to cause annoying, harmful, destructive, or tending to cause, infectious diseases to people, animals, or plants, especially crops or livestock.
Exodus 5:3
Exodus 9:15-16
Exodus 9:1-6
Exodus 9:8-10
Exodus 32:35
Leviticus 26:14-35
Leviticus 26:25
Numbers 11:33
Numbers 14:12
Numbers 14:36-37
Numbers 16:46
Numbers 21:6
Deuteronomy 28:15-38
Deuteronomy 28:41-67
Deuteronomy 29:22-23
Deuteronomy 32:23-24
1 Samuel 5:6
1 Samuel 5:9-12
2 Samuel 24:15
1 Chronicles 21:14
2 Chronicles 21:14-15
2 Chronicles 21:18-19
Psalm 78:50
Psalm 106:14-15
Isaiah 10:16
Jeremiah 14:11-12
Jeremiah 16:3-4
Jeremiah 21:6
Jeremiah 21:8-9
Jeremiah 24:10
Jeremiah 25:36-38
Jeremiah 27:8
Jeremiah 29:17-19
Jeremiah 32:36
Jeremiah 34:17
Jeremiah 38:2
Jeremiah 42:17
Jeremiah 44:13
Ezekiel 5:11-12
Ezekiel 5:15-17
Ezekiel 6:11-12
Ezekiel 7:15
Ezekiel 12:16
Ezekiel 14:12-21
Ezekiel 28:22-23
Ezekiel 33:27
Ezekiel 38:19-23
Amos 4:10
Habakkuk 3:3-6
Zechariah 14:12
Zechariah 14:15
Zechariah 14:18

Petty - characterized by an undue concern for trivial matters, especially in a small-minded or spiteful way.
Leviticus 19:19
Leviticus 19:27
Deuteronomy 23:12–14
Deuteronomy 28:17
Ezekiel 13:20

Pyromaniacal - an obsessive desire to set fire to things.
Genesis 19:24-28
Exodus 3:2
Exodus 9:22-24
Exodus 19:18
Exodus 24:17
Exodus 29:18
Leviticus 1:9
Leviticus 6:12-13
Leviticus 9:23-24
Leviticus 10:1-3
Leviticus 21:9
Leviticus 22:27
Numbers 11:1
Numbers 11:1-3
Numbers 15:2-3
Numbers 16:35
Numbers 21:21-30
Numbers 26:9-10
Deuteronomy 4:24
Deuteronomy 5:22
Deuteronomy 5:25
Deuteronomy 7:5,25
Deuteronomy 9:3
Deuteronomy 12:3
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Deuteronomy 32:22
Joshua 7:15-26
Joshua 8:8-28
Joshua 11:6
Joshua 11:9
Joshua 11:11
Judges 1:8
Judges 20:23,48
2 Samuel 22:2,9,13
2 Samuel 23:6-7
2 Kings 1:10-12
2 Kings 6:17
1 Kings 18:24,38
1 Chronicles 14:10-12
1 Chronicles 21:26-27
2 Chronicles 7:1-3
Job 1:16
Psalm 104:1-4
Psalm 11:6
Psalm 18:3-12
Psalm 21:9
Psalm 29:7
Psalm 46:9
Psalm 50:3
Psalm 78:21
Psalm 78:59-63
Psalm 97:1-5
Isaiah 1:7-9
Isaiah 9:19
Isaiah 26:11
Isaiah 29:5-6
Isaiah 30:27
Isaiah 30:30
Isaiah 30:33
Isaiah 31:9
Isaiah 33:10-12
Isaiah 34:8-10
Isaiah 42:21,25
Isaiah 65:5
Isaiah 66:15-16
Jeremiah 4:4
Jeremiah 5:14
Jeremiah 11:16
Jeremiah 17:27
Jeremiah 21:14
Jeremiah 34:22
Jeremiah 38:17-18,23
Jeremiah 43:12-13
Jeremiah 49:2
Lamentations 2:3
Ezekiel 5:4
Ezekiel 15:6-8
Ezekiel 20:45-48
Ezekiel 21:32
Ezekiel 23:25
Ezekiel 23:46-47
Ezekiel 24:9-12
Ezekiel 28:18
Ezekiel 30:8
Ezekiel 30:14
Ezekiel 39:6
Daniel 7:9-10
Hosea 8:14
Amos 1:4
Amos 1:7
Amos 1:10
Amos 1:12
Amos 1:14
Amos 2:2
Amos 2:5
Amos 7:4
Obadiah 1:18
Micah 1:7
Nahum 2:13
Zechariah 9:3-4
Zechariah 11:1-2
Malachi 4:1

Racist - showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another.
Exodus 11:7
Exodus 23:23–33
Leviticus 25:44–46
Numbers 25:5
Deuteronomy 7:1–6
Deuteronomy 7:6
Deuteronomy 23:3–6
Nehemiah 13:3
Nehemiah 13:23–30

Sadomasochistic - characterized by or deriving sexual gratification from both sadism and masochism. Sadism - the tendency to derive pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from inflicting pain, suffering, deliberate cruelty, or humiliation on others. Masochism - the tendency to derive pleasure or enjoyment, especially sexual gratification, from one’s own pain or humiliation.
Deuteronomy 8:6
Deuteronomy 10:12
Deuteronomy 32:39
1 Samuel 2:6
Job 6:8-10
Job 13:21
Job 23:15-16
Psalm 25:14
Psalm 33:18-19
Psalm 33:8
Psalm 34:11
Psalm 103:13,17
Psalm 112:1
Psalm 118:4
Psalm 128:1
Psalm 147:11
Isaiah 3:16-17
Isaiah 8:13
Isaiah 53:10
Jeremiah 10:18-19
Jeremiah 13:15-26
Jeremiah 45:3-5
Lamentations 1:8-9
Ezekiel 23:33-34
Hosea 6:1
Amos 3:6
Nahum 3:5

Slavemonger: Slave - one who is owned as the property of someone else, especially in involuntary servitude. Monger - a promoter of something unpleasant. A person who is involved with something in a petty or contemptible way.
Exodus 20:9–10
Exodus 20:17
Exodus 21:2–11
Exodus 21:20–21
Exodus 21:26–27
Leviticus 19:20–22
Leviticus 25:44–46
Judges 1:28
Judges 1:30
Judges 1:35

Unforgiving - harsh, hostile, not willing to forgive or excuse people's faults or wrongdoings.
Exodus 20:5
Exodus 23:21
Deuteronomy 23:2
Deuteronomy 29:20
Joshua 24:19
2 Kings 24:3-4
Proverbs 1:24-30
Isaiah 2:6-9
Isaiah 22:14
Jeremiah 11:14
Jeremiah 14:12
Jeremiah 15:1
Jeremiah 18:23
Lamentations 3:42-44
Ezekiel 7:3-4
Ezekiel 9:3-10
Ezekiel 24:13-14

Unjust - not based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair.
Genesis 19:26
Genesis 20:18
Exodus 11:4-6
Exodus 12:29
Exodus 21:16
Exodus 21:17
Exodus 21:20-21
Exodus 22:20
Exodus 30:14-15
Exodus 34:6-7
Leviticus 20:15-16
Leviticus 21:16-23
Leviticus 26:21,28
Numbers 14:18
Deuteronomy 5:9
Deuteronomy 23:2
Judges 21:6-23
1 Samuel 2:30-34
1 Samuel 25:5-39
2 Samuel 12:11
2 Samuel 12:13-14
2 Samuel 21:4-14
1 Kings 14:9-12
1 Kings 21:28-29
2 Kings 7:19-20
2 Kings 17:25
2 Chronicles 15:13
2 Chronicles 26:19-21
Psalm 78:21-22
Psalm 78:31
Proverbs 30:17
Isaiah 13:11-16
Isaiah 14:21
Jeremiah 5:12-14
Jeremiah 8:9-10
Jeremiah 16:10-11
Jeremiah 29:18-19
Jeremiah 29:31-32
Jeremiah 32:18
Ezekiel 14:9
Ezekiel 18:24-26
Ezekiel 20:25-26
Ezekiel 21:3-5
Ezekiel 23:46-47
Ezekiel 33:12-13
Hosea 2:4-5
Hosea 13:16
Joel 3:8

Vaccicidal - to wantonly, and with disregard, slaughter animals for pleasure.
Exodus 9:1-3
Exodus 9:6
Exodus 12:29
Exodus 20:23-24
Numbers 7:87-88
Deuteronomy 13:15
1 Samuel 15:3
Ezekiel 32:13
Ezekiel 32:13-15

Vindictive - having or showing a strong or unreasoning desire for revenge.
Leviticus 26:25
Numbers 31:3
Deuteronomy 32:35
Deuteronomy 32:41-42
Deuteronomy 32:43
Joshua 22:23
1 Samuel 15:1-2
2 Samuel 4:8
Psalm 94:1
Isaiah 34:8
Isaiah 35:4
Isaiah 47:3
Isaiah 47:3-4
Isaiah 59:17
Psalm 137:8-9
Jeremiah 46:10
Jeremiah 50:15
Jeremiah 50:28
Jeremiah 51:11
Lamentations 3:64-66
Ezekiel 24:8
Ezekiel 25:14-17
Micah 5:15

If you monster is OK with all of the above, then why do we even need a Satan?

rmfr

JazzTheist's picture
I used to think in the exact

I used to think in the exact same way as you do. But I later realized that these objections are simply a result of bad understanding of theology; much like how young Earth creationism is a result of bad understanding of science. If you study a little theology with an open mind, you'll see it in a completely different way.

(Disclaimer: the below passages fall into the realm of theology.)

To put it very simply: the atrocities in the OT tell us how fallen the world was; and how savage humans were. The NT, on the other hand, tells us how God has forgiven Man despite such sin. God wanted to guide humanity into a better direction; and it wouldn't work if he taught humanity too much at a time. He had to be progressive.

After all, since God is maximally good, all human deeds are infinitesimally insignificant to him. Using modern moral standards to judge the OT says nothing about the nature of God; though it says everything about the nature of Man back then. What's more, it is commonly agreed by theologians that God has the right to take away human life; because human life already deserves to die due to sin.

God may look like some selfish control freak if you see him as just another creature in the natural world. But if he see him as the ultimate source of all existence and knowledge, you realize that you simply NEED to follow his instructions if you desire change.

In short, the OT serves as a negative example.

Although your objections are reasonable, they commit the personal incredulity fallacy: ''I cannot believe how God can be like this, therefore God doesn't exist''. These are actually the weakest arguments against God; but ironically atheists love them. What's more, I feel that these objections were most often used to gain a moral high ground and shut down discussion.

arakish's picture
And the example you just

And the example you just TRIED to make is any better? Sounds like a brainwashed con job to me.

Putting it your way, your Sky Faerie cannot exist for nothing that exists outside the universe can affect the universe.

rmfr

JazzTheist's picture
In my point of view, you seem

In my point of view, you seem to subconsciously brainwash yourself so that the Bible can continue to make no sense to you.

''Sky Faerie''

Straw man.

''Nothing that exists outside the universe can affect the universe.''

What an assertion! How do you know that, may I ask?

LogicFTW's picture
The bible makes sense to you?

@JazzTheist
The bible makes sense to you? How about the old testament it all makes 100% sense to you?

JazzTheist's picture
From a theological viewpoint,

From a theological viewpoint, yes. Though it by no means indicate biblical inerrancy.

arakish's picture
@ JazzTheist

@ JazzTheist

JazzTheist:

Arakish: "Nothing that exists outside the universe can affect the universe."

"What an assertion! How do you know that, may I ask?"

Simple. If it did ANYTHING to affect the universe, we would be able to determine such effects. Someone is proving their seeming inability for critical thinking, logical and deductive reasoning, and rational and analytical thought.

rmfr

JazzTheist's picture
''If it did ANYTHING to

''If it did ANYTHING to affect the universe, we would be able to determine such effects.'''

No you wouldn't. Because your methodology is flawed. It rejects any supernatural explanation by default and has faith that there will always be natural explanations.

arakish's picture
The only thing flawed here is

@ Squidburt (posing as JazzTheist)

The only thing flawed here is your lack of mental faculties. You are incapable of any comprehension. There is no supernatural anything. Until you can provide OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE to the contrary, then Arakish's Razor: NO EVIDENCE = NO EXISTENCE. And I am going to throw in the newest Razor...

LogicFTW's Razor: You MUST first prove your religion is not a con.

And there are no other explanations except those derived through the Scientific Method.

Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

The burden of proof shall forever lie with those who make the claims about anything. Carl Sagan once said, “Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.” If you propose the existence of something, anything, you MUST provide objective hard empirical evidence of its existence. Otherwise, I have no reason to believe your preposterous claims. Hearsay is the worst possible form of any kind of evidence. ALL religious texts are nothing more than 100% hearsay. Thus, I have no reason to believe any religious text as any kind of proof. Until you Religious Absolutists can present any objective hard empirical evidence to support your claims, then your claims shall forever be preposterous, outlandish, ludicrous, irrational, asinine, and summarily dismissed.

Thus, until you can prove the supernatural exists beyond any doubt with objective hard empirical evidence, it does not exist.

rmfr

JazzTheist's picture
You accused me of being a con

You accused me of being a con; yet your overlengthed rants sound exactly like cons.

Also, again, your methodology is FLAWED. Do you have objective empirical evidence that Plato existed? Yes or no?

I see that you’re reason for being an atheist is actually not logical, but EMOTIONAL. I’d be OK with it as long as you admit that :)

arakish's picture
JazzTheist (former atheist

JazzTheist (former atheist formerly know as Squidburt): "Also, again, your methodology is FLAWED. Do you have objective empirical evidence that Plato existed? Yes or no?"

Still not flawed. There are no flaws in the Scientific Method unless it is not followed correctly. Do you have OBJECTIVE HARD EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that the supernatural exists? Yes, or No?

As for Plato, Yes. Look it up.

rmfr

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
There is a difference between

There is a difference between having faith and accepting the preponderance of evidence.

David Killens's picture
@JazzTheist

@JazzTheist

"After all, since God is maximally good"

That is your response to arakish's slam-dunk provision of hard proof? That is like holding up a cup of jello in the face of an incoming main battle tank round and believing that the yummy taste of the jello cancels everything out.

Your god CAN NOT be good because of this definitive proof.

Cognostic's picture
Wow. Every single point is

Wow. Every single point is wrong.

"1. No, you're confusing the God of classical theism."

No. Read it again. "god" SMALL FRIGGING "G". No one has confused anything. You just can't read.

XXXX said 2. I had been an atheist for my entire life until very recently. The reason why you think I don't understand atheism is because you're stuck in a naturalistic worldview.

No one cares whether or not you understand the ATHEIST VIEW (Whatever the fuck that is.) ALL ANYONE HAS ASKED YOU TO DO IS PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR YOUR INANE MORONIC ASSERTIONS.

3. I became theist solely because of logic and reason and NOT because of feelings of any kind. Surprise, motherfucker!

Your mother told you! DAMN - she said it was a secret that she would never share. She also told me that if I ever tried to talk to you it would become obvious that you are a hypocrite who makes assertions and can not back up any of your assertions with FACTS or EVIDENCE. Give mommy a kiss from me and tell her I will drop by again the next time I am in town.. And be careful .... I could become your daddy.

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@jazztheist

@jazztheist
What objective evidence do you have any god exist?

You can't logic god into existence.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
You can of course make a

You can of course make a logical and well thought out reason as to why you believe in a god and/or gods.
However, these tend to be woeful, for example the Kalam cosmological argument.
Yes, it plays by the rules to a degree, but yet it is awful and seriously flawed.

Personally, I follow what evidence, logic, rational thinking and critical thinking lead me to.

JazzTheist's picture
The Kalam cosmological

The Kalam cosmological argument appears to be flawed only when viewed from a naturalist position, where the supernatural is dismissed by default. Which is a very flawed methodology.

Not every truth is established because of empirical evidence. For example, you don't have evidence that anything around you is real, but you live on assuming everything is real.

arakish's picture
The only truth established by

The only truth established by objective hard empirical evidence is the True Truth.

If there is no objective hard empirical evidence for something that exists, then Arakish's Razor: NO EVIDENCE = NO EXISTENCE.

The Scientific Method is not a flawed methodolgy provided it is followed as it is supposed to be followed.

And sorry, I do not assume everything is real. I know it is real because I can interact with it one some level.

Onus probandi incumbit ei qui dicit non ei qui negat.

Yours is the burden of proof. You theists are the ones making preposterous claims, just as with your posts. Until you can provide objective hard empirical evidence, then The Six Razors are applied.

The Six Razors:

  1. Sagan's Razor: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
  2. Hitchens's Razor: What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
  3. Arakish's Razor: NO EVIDENCE = NO EXISTENCE.
  4. Xenoview's Razor: Objective claims requires objective evidence.
  5. Randomhero1982's Razor: If it's not evidenced, it's bollocks.
  6. Tin-Man's Butter Knife: Any ridiculous nonsense presented will be countered with opposing ridiculous nonsense of an equal or greater amount.
  • Cognostic's Shovel: When someone starts slinging bullshit at you, get a shovel and sling it back.

rmfr

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
Wrong.

Wrong.

It is fundamentally flawed not only from a naturalistic point of view, but also through physics, cosmology and so on.
Kalam relies heavily on Aristotelian causality that is not fit for purpose in this discussion, metaphysics must follow the physics.

There are plenty of self contained models that are consistant (does not mean they are the 'one') that require no transcendental nonsense.

And when one stops viewing the universe through the lens of GR and takes QM into account, you notice that is perfectly fine and consistent for the universe to be eternal in both directions.

But why a god anyway? why your particular god? why not a n interdimensional cat?
Demonstrate the causality of progressive natural phenomena that then somehow go to supernatural.

JazzTheist's picture
Physics and cosmology fall

Physics and cosmology fall into the realm of naturalism. So you've basically proved nothing.

Of course you can explain how a self-consistant system works; but ''why'' does it exist in the first place?

Did I ever say that the God that I refer to belongs to any religion? I'm talking about a philosophically necessary first cause, and by definition it cannot be an interdimensional cat. Although it is the source of the existence of any potential interdimensional cat.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
A first cause requires the

A first cause requires the universe to be as modelled under classical general relativity, regressing to a singularity.
This is an outdated and flawed view of physics and does not take into account quantum mechanics.

As stated before, there are many theories of what space-time can do,
And quantum mechanics explains, models and describes far better than anything else.

Also, if you have a time depending quantum state, it is extendable infinitely into the past.
That makes it absolutely fine and actually necessary to be infinite each way and not require a first cause or singularity.

Update your metaphysics.

JazzTheist's picture
No no no. You don't

No no no. You don't understand my position and you're just pushing the problem further.

The universe could've been caused by quantum mechanics or a multiverse and that wouldn't shake my position THE SLIGHTLESS, because I'm talking about the source of existence itself. What provides existence for quantum mechanics? Or the multiverse? That's what I mean by a first cause.

TheBlindWatchmaker's picture
I fully understand your

I fully understand your position, However your premise relies on classical general relativity and classical aristotelian causality.

Both of these are no longer applicable, and as stated with a time depending quantum state, you can have a universe that extend eternally into the past and future whilst being internally consistent.

You do not need a first cause.

Furthermore, They do not require any supernatural or metaphysical baggage.

However, if you can demonstrate a model that incorporates supernatural phenomena and can explain the mechanics that lay within, i would happily concede the point.

JazzTheist's picture
But you are still stuck in

But you are still stuck in the naturalistic worldview by thinking that it had to take place in linear time. But time is still part of existence—so what caused existence to occur is by definition outside of time.

Quantum mechanics may stretch back in time infinitely. But that doesn’t shake my position—what caused quantum mechanics to exist in the first place?

arakish's picture
@ JazzTheist

@ JazzTheist

Here is something for you to consider. Can you prove the natural universe has not existed for eternity? Can you prove there is no infinite past? These are your assertions, now PROVE them.

rmfr

LogicFTW's picture
@JazzTheist

@JazzTheist
Normally I do not point out spelling errors/typos/grammatical errors. I make plenty of errors like that myself.

But you wrote it in all caps and missed a word entirely.

"SLIGHTLESS" You do realize there is built in spell checker capabilities on just about any browser you use now a days or a simple plug in?

Unless you do really mean "slightless" instead of "in the slightest" If that is the case I am curious what you mean at all.

 
 

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Oh sweethart, you get so

Oh sweethart, you get so upset when you play with the mean atheists. You just go ahead and believe in your first cause thing. You don't have to prove it to anyone. Now, here is a cookie, Why don't ;you take a break from the computer for a few minutes so you don't have nightmares when you go to sleep tonight.

David Killens's picture
The "why" question. Hmm, I

The "why" question. Hmm, I recall a theist who attempted to drag us down that rabbit hole.

Hmmm, interesting.

Cognostic's picture
The Kalam 1. Does not get

The Kalam 1. Does not get you to a god but merely asserts a first cause. 2. The Kalam asserts a cause for everything and we simply do not know whether or not that is true. The Kalam argument is irrational. Causality is a product of our universe and our time / frame of reference. Causality breaks down at Planck time and WE DON"T KNOW WHAT IS BEYOND THAT. You do not get to assert a God into existence.

JazzTheist's picture
Firstly, causality still

Firstly, causality still takes place in the macroscopic realm. So why does the reality WE perceive behave in this way?

Secondly, I have the right to ask why causality doesn’t exist in the quantum realm. Why does it behave in such a way instead of otherwise? This alone demands a non-physical explanation.

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