I am sure there have been many posts about intelligence and "belief" in God. Mostly the more education you have the more likely you will be an atheist. One EXAMPLE I can't understand. JOHN LENNOX. JOHN LENNOX is a professor of mathematics at Cambridge University. He speaks 5 or 6 languages. John Lennox is not just an ordinary Christian. John Lennox believes in the absolute interpretation of the bible....virgin birth, resurrection of Jesus, Noah and the arc..etc etc etc. I am not going to try to explain why this can be because all my attempts to explain my ideas is meant with ridicule. So I won't ….Maybe this post will encourage debate.. Don't criticize or make fun of my ideas.. I am such good, nice sensitive intelligent smart interesting, brilliant person...SARCASM--LAUGH
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Being smart is not the same thing as being objective, critical, skeptical, or WISE.
Cognitive is absolutely correct.
Some of the most brutally intelligent people I know are also the biggest idiots I've ever met. Some of the most average people I know, in terms of intelligence, are also some of the wisest I've ever met.
John Lennox is very intelligent. This is beyond refutation. He's also a blazing moron.
I couldn't agree more. Funny story:
When I was in the Army, one day an Lieutenant approached me and said he was working on building a special team to solve some hard problems and asked me which soldier had the highest intelligence score in the unit. I already knew the answer, and knew the soldier in question very well, and I managed to keep a straight face when I told him it was Private A. (name omitted). He left to go talk to Private A. and a few minutes later came back with a flustered look on his face and asked "who has the 2nd highest intelligence score?".
@Nyarlahotep
And on the other side of that coin, I used to have fairly random encounters with a Vietnam veteran where we'd end up sitting for half the night, drinking coffee and talking shit.
That man, with his limited vocabulary and complete inability to calculate a tip, dropped upon me some of the most enlightened, deepest, most life changing wisdom I've ever encountered. More than once...And he was an atheist. (At that time, I was on the path to my own awakening and while we never really discussed religion, I would say that his logic, rationality and wisdom were, in ways, instrumental in carrying me along my journey)
I gotta join the stories here. I was a Social Worker and I hired 2 PhDs who were friends to work with boys, ages 8 to 18. PhDs look good on the company's government profile and statistic's sheets. These two morons had all the book intelligence in the world and no ability so solve problems what so ever. Neither of them lasted longer than two weeks. Fuck up after fuck up. All book learning and absolutely no life experience what so ever. My little gang-banger children and teens ran rings around these two morons. These were men in their mid 30's. One of them came to the office crying that he could not do the job. The kids would not listen to him and one of the 8 year old's threatened to kill him. FUCK!!! "Did you tell him that if he killed you, he would not get his allowance and dinner would probably be late?"
One of them called me, all in a panic, one day because "Johnny" was going to commit suicide. I hop in the car and head to the site. I get there, pull up in the driveway, and here comes Johnny running out of the backyard into the front yard. He is holding a kitchen butter knife to his throat and screaming that he is going to kill himself. I take one look at Johnny and start laughing. "Johnny, that's a butter knife" I say, "Do you have any idea at all how hard you are going to have to saw to get through your neck?" I do a little mime of sawing at my neck with a butter knife. Johnny starts laughing, drops the knife to his side, still in his hand, and heads over towards me laughing. He obviously got the joke and thinks it is as funny as I do.
Just then the fucking PhD comes rushing out the front door of the house screaming.... "He has a knife, he is going to kill himself." What does Johnny do? He puts the knife back up to his throat, backs away from me and the stupid fucking PhD, and starts screaming he will kill himself again. FUCK!!! So I get the IDIOT, PhD to go back in the house. I have to track down Johnny, which takes an hour, and get him calmed down so he can return to the facility. At no point was the child in danger of doing himself any kind of harm .... well he may have actually scratched his neck if he tried. He was just upset and needed a bit of attention. HOW FRIGGING HARD IS THAT!
Terraphon--That's exactly what I an saying....John Lennox is very intelligent. This beyond refutation He is also a blazing MORON...That is what I am saying.. That is what my post is about. THAT IS MY POINT
@fiat
That was never your point. Your point was to try to demonstrate that a really smart person believes in god so other people should, too.
That's an argument that's been tried 184*10^27 times by apologists and it still doesn't hold any more water than a sieve.
Do yourself a favor. Do some research on all of the really shitty arguments that apologists have tried and then don't try any of those here. You're embarrassing yourself.
Cognitive- I really really like your response. I am just thinking maybe something else is going on.....
fiat - Low self esteem, need for a father figure. feelings of guilt. fear of death. raised in the religion. etc.... The definition of Christianity is distinct from the many ways one becomes a Christian. Being smart is distinct from other cognitive functions.
Who the hell is John Lennox??? And why should I care?
Intelligence and wisdom are two different stats.
Intelligence is knowing what a tomato is. Wisdom is knowing what to do with it.
Lost Lock Your comment is very interesting but doesn't explain John Lennox.. But that's ok....Have a nice day
@Kenny (fiat) Re: "...but doesn't explain John Lennox.. "
Goodness gracious, young man. Did you skip all your Health and Biology classes in school?... Tsk-tsk-tsk... *shaking head sadly*... Well then, allow me to fill in the blanks for you real quick...
One day several years ago a man and woman met and fell in love. Then, after many days and weeks of ritualistic courtship and a final binding ceremony, the woman finally determined the man was worthy enough to have sex with her. So, the man inserted his penis into the woman's vagina and moved it back forth for a few seconds. This caused semen to eject from the penis into the woman's cervix, at which point the man rolled over and promptly fell asleep.
Meanwhile, the semen the man left in the woman's cervix contained millions of teeny-tiny critters called sperm. And those little guys started swimming around frantically in search of an itty-bitty egg that travelled from the woman's ovary down to her uterus. (The cervix and uterus are connected by a narrow little channel, by the way.)
Anyway, out of all those millions of sperm, only very few made their way to the egg. And out of those few, only ONE of them was eventually allowed to penetrate the egg, thereby fertilizing it. Sadly, all the other millions of sperm simply died and got flushed away. So many potential lives lost... *heavy sigh*... *sob*... *dabbing tears from eyes*.... Sorry. Got a little choked up there for a second...
Uh, okay, so once the egg was fertilized, an amazing thing happened. The whole thing started growing. And over a period of roughly nine months, it became more and more complex and developed into an adorable little baby. Then the woman had to work very very hard to push that baby out of her vagina while the man paced back and forth nervously in the hospital waiting room and smoked several packs of cigarettes. Once the baby was finally out of the woman, the man and woman were oficially a Mommy and Daddy, and they named the baby John.
I do hope that has adequately explained John Lennox for you.
Another top tenner for Tin-Man
LMAOWF
Wait a minute... But how does that explain me?
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@Arakish Re: "But how does that explain me?"
Well, once upon a time there was a girl tree and a boy tree, and they met and fell in love. Then after many days and weeks of....
@Tin-Man
Try using logic!!!111!1 Your theory of "fluid EXCHANGE baby making" is very illogical. If babies aren't made by STORKS, how to you explain the following photograph! I thought atheists were SMARTER than this??
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@Nyar Re: "...how to you explain the following photograph!"
Really? C'mon! How else do you think the baby gets delivered from the hospital to the Mommy and Daddy's house?... *rolling eyes*... That's just common knowledge. You seriously don't expect the Mommy and Daddy to simply drive the baby home in their car, do you? How lame would THAT be? Sheesh!
@ Tin /Nyar
You guys are really confusing me. These are the facts I have...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDCLSrT_g3M
@LostLocke,
You may have seen this before, but this is my favorite tomato-based stat explanation.
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LOL, yep I love that one. That was the reason I picked "tomato" as the example. ;)
@ Skeptical Kevin
I saw something similar to that many decades ago in Dragon Magazine back in the 1980s, but it did not have "maters." Can't remember what it had, but it followed the same parameters.
rmfr
LMAO, no matter how many times you make that mistake, I always get a chuckle out of it!
Tin Man --Google John Lennox.Without knowing who he is it would be impossible to know what I am talking about.. John Lennox has had many debates with Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins and other atheists. It is ok if you don't care.. I will still like you
@Kenny (fiat) Re: "John Lennox has had many debates with Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins and other atheists."
Ooooooh... Okay. Gotchya. And my dog often lays around in my garage licking his balls. Sooooo.... What's your point?
TIN MAN=You are the smartest, intelligent, handsome Tin Man in this Galaxy.. Your smile is so expressive. I can tell you like being a TIN MAN.. I always liked you and still do.PEACE
@Kenny (fiat) Re: "You are the smartest, intelligent, handsome Tin Man in this Galaxy.. Your smile is so expressive."
...*indignant look on face*... Well! That's just rude! Why must you stoop to lying so badly? I have you know I do NOT smile!..... (I smirk.)... *stomping foot*..... *storming off in a huff*....
Tin-Man Re: "Smirk"
That is OK my metal friend. We all know you SMIRK instead of smile. You are always welcome under me boughs to take refuge from the rain so you can keep that smirk.
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@ Tin Man
I know there was no label on his post, but I think, just maybe there is a possibility he was being sarcastic, well , he THINKS he is being sarcastic but failing dismally.
Don't take it hard, you are indeed the most handsome Tin Man,,,hasn't Cog told you often enough when he has given you the pig face? You know just before he puts the banana on the door knob and locks you two in together?
Its's just a matter of recognising Kenny's style...basically its all sarcasm except when its not...got it?
@Old Man Re: "You know just before he (Cog) puts the banana on the door knob and locks you two in together?"
NOT FAIR, dammit! You know very well that was only ONE time, and I was unconscious through it all thanks to whatever the hell Cog slipped into my chocolate milk.
He thinks you will miss the SARCASM again Tin.
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