Jo's dishonest pretence of debate.
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Which is why in every post I specifically said the German SS, so yet another dishonest misrepresentation from you Jo. If you want to refute the accusations of dishonesty Jo, then telling more and more lies won't help. By the way would those Muslims in the SS be theists or atheists? Do take your time.
Not to you apparently.
Now how about the fact that a 1939 census showed that over 94% of Germans identified as christians? You do know what happened to most of the other 6% right? You know for instance that the 6 million Jews murdered by the Christian's in the German SS, were not of course christians, or Muslims?
Only I have not seen you acknowledge any of these FACTS, only tap dance around them with more and more dishonest evasion. Remember it was you Jo, who claimed Nazis couldn't be christians, care to retract that lie?
I'm guessing in a country that was 94% christian even someone as dishonest as Jo can see the futility of arguing this point, but then again he appears to be an habitual liar, and I'm dropping the euphemism of dishonest now? Maybe Jo thinks it was Ganesha, or Vishnu, or maybe he thinks it was the Jewish deity?
Well fuck me, Jo really does think the German SS swore allegiance to another deity, which one(s) Jo? This is fucking hilarious.
I'd be forced to admit you'd finally shown some integrity Jo, sadly you have not said this, and thus you have not shown any integrity, again.
Ill give you a clue Jo, in a population exceeding 70 million after annexing other surrounding countries, 11 million dead would be more than enough to account for all of that 6%. The 6% were the demographic largely targeted by the christian majority to be murdered in the death camps Jo, please tell me you're being ironic? You do know that Jews are not christians right? Hoe about the Nazinpersecution of homosexuals Jo, are you going to have the sheer afrontary to claim the bible doesnt specifically call for just this persecution?
Not with any objectivity or integrity, so please offer a link Jo, as I think you're lying again.
Please note that yet another lie is offered, without any explanation for the lie???? The reason for the different explanations is manifest in the facts offered, again this is breathtakingly dishonest Jo.
#1 They're self explanatory.
#2 No.
#3 Another lie, and I welcome anyone to search these forums for the number of times I have personally pointed out how fragmented and contradictory the vastly varying claims of christians are, and of course all without any objective evidence. However the fact remains European christianity exhibited virulent and violent antisemitism for centuries, and it was in this context the Holocaust occurred in a country of approx 70m people where 94% were Christian's. So stop lying and evading the facts Jo.
#4 All of them claiming to know that they know that this is an infallible message from an immutable deity, irony overload.
#5 Another unevidenced claim, they claim to be christians, and since by your own admission (see #4) they can't remotely agree, his no Scotsman fallacy aside they're all christians, by definition.
Another lie, and again unabashed in being not just totally unevidenced, but devoid of any cogent explanation in pretence of justifying the lie.
Liar, I have never knowingly misquoted you or anyone else, and I am happy for others to decide whether this typifies my behaviour here.
Correct, you have habitually lied, and your evasion is sickening, address the many months of that behaviour and I will crawl back through that thread to address your post, but rest assured I will be honest, unlike you. Once you address the dozens of lies you have posted. This is another example of evasion and a smokescreen Jo, pathetic.
From the same thread try these lies:
You never addressed that honestly Jo, quelle surprise.
Or this:
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This shameful wriggle was after you lied that I had claimed science can answer everything.
Now note the three lies in this post from Jo that he assigned to me:
https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/question-theists-1?pa...
The gloves are off now Jo, no more chances for you, enough of your lies and half truths. So lets try this one as well...
#1 I don't know, and nor do you, which makes you a liar again (see your last sentence).
#2 I have no idea what you mean by god, nor do you, you might as well ask if science can determine if unicorns exists. FYI science cannot determine the existence of any non existent things, like mermaids and unicorns Jo, so do take a moment to think about the category you just placed your deity in.
You are one of the most relentlessly dishonest apologists I have encountered Jo.
@Jo
"To anyone who is interested in the facts, here is the evidence to show that I have not done what the OP has claimed."
What is the one of the OP's claims? I will paste it from the OP.
"You can pretend it's.me you have a problem with Jo, but do you really think we can't all see you're dishonestly evading questions you don't like."
I was one who gave you a chance, and in post #38 I tested you. Yes, it was a test.
"@Jo
"I will address them again with you if you can give me the reference to your claim of "instances of genocide, rape and murder contained in the Bible."
English Standard Version
Numbers 21:2–3
2 And Israel vowed a vow to the Lord and said, “If you will indeed give this people into my hand, then I will devote their cities to destruction.
3 And the Lord heeded the voice of Israel and gave over the Canaanites, and they devoted them and their cities to destruction. So the name of the place was called Hormah.
Here is an example where your god sanctioned mass murder.
Response please?"
To which your response in post #39 was .....
"@ David Killens
Please see my above response to Tallyyn.
Please see the previous verse in Numbers 21:1.
I have addressed this type of question before at length.
If you did not see it I will try and find it to repost."
Do you not see what happened? You were accused of dishonestly evading questions. I set up a VERY simple question, one I expected you to give a simple answer. That act would have absolved you in my eyes. But instead you, guess what?
Evaded. You did not answer, you referred me to another post.
p.s. I removed spaced lines to condense this post into a manageable and understandable response. None of the wording was altered.
@Jo: One of your most idiotic rants to date. All you have sufficiently done is demonstrate to everyone the complete and utter inefficiency of your mind's ability to string together facts in an efficient manner to demonstrate a point.
To expose yet another lie from Jo, here's a quote from his last post...
Now please note that firstly he uses the word repeatedly to lie that I misrepresent him, yet provides one example. I posted a quote in good faith, and yet rather than address his dishonesty in almost every post. He immediately and disingenuously accuses me of REPEATEDLY misrepresenting him.
The reason I haven't properly checked back to see if it was assigned in error, JUST THIS ONCE btw, is that he has refused to address any of his many lies and falsehoods. So many it's not necessary to repeat them now, but an example would be him claiming that science and logic indicated to him his deity existed, (I'm paraphrasing his post btw), yet when I pointed out there was no scientific evidence for any deity, he ignored it, and when I pointed out he had repeatedly and relentlessly based his arguments on known common logical fallacies such as argumentum ad ignorantiam and false dichotomy fallacies, he ignores this EVERY SINGLE TIME. He has yet to address them even once that I have seen.
Now how many times has he used the woeful and logically fallacious claim "you can't disprove a deity exists", and ignored that fallacy? And we have all seen this...
The Nazis and Hitler were being touted by him and other theists as an example of the dangers of atheism of course, just to provide some context.
No one has suggested all Christian's are dangerous or evil, yet he got his panties so bunched, he's determined to keep repeating the lie that its guilt by association to point out the fact that the vast majority of the tens of millions of Nazis had to be christians, in a country whose population was overwhelmingly christian at over 94%.
I ask again since all members of the SS swore an oath before God in order to join, how are the death camps and the resulting genocide being blamed on atheism?
Hitler claimed to a lifelong catholic, Himmler was a pagan who believed in multiple deities. Neither were atheists, and Jo has failed to show a shred of evidence for the claim beyond Hitler's antipathy towards the church. We've had Christian's on here who denounce all organised religions. Hitler claimed IN MEIN KAMPF to be "doing god's work, another fact he has failed to address, or ignored would perhaps be more accurate.
We all saw Jo use the No True Scotsman fallacy at the start of the discourse, then deny her used it, even after multiple posters including Nyarl... pointed it out to him.
His polemic and apologetics are dishonest, and he must at some level know this by know. Does he relent? Not a bit of it, he comes back and tells more lies, including the claim I have repeatedly misrepresented him.
Well Jo, I'm disinclined to justify any claims about you, as you're so dishonest, but beyond the one example you posted please show a dozen of these dishonest misrepresentations by me?
Number them please, with links. And if you can't and one post which may well have been an innoccent error on my part, then be prepared to be called a liar yet again.
@Sheldon: Preaching to the Choir Sheldon. I gave up on responding to anything Jo had to say weeks ago. His posts are full of shit. He is not interested in an honest discussion. It's just that simple.
Well for starters, you told us there were no Christian Nazis (you said they were mutually exclusive). Are you retracting that now?
Correlated attributes are not mutually exclusive. Mutually exclusive attributes are perfectly anticorrelated.
@FFS - I wrote a half page response to the insane bullshit Jo is saying and before pushing the "save" button I just erased it all because I asked myself WHAT THE FUCK AM I RESPONDING TO THE SAME FUCKING SHIT AGAIN FOR? ALL I WAS DOING IS REPEATING THE EXACT SAME STUFF I HAD ALREADY STATED. HE DID NOT GET IT THE FIRST TIME AND HE WILL NOT GET IT NOW. WHAT'S THE POINT?
I agree Cognostic, we are deep into the broken record territory. Unfortunately, Jo has doubled down and is now trying to be on the offensive. You are right, playing this game is a waste of time.
While I agree with you about Jo, the same fallacious arguments post after post, I am not sure I agree with you that it is a waste of time.
It may be a waste of time with Jo, but it is possible there may be other theists lurking, that may get it. Not that they'll give up their theistic beliefs, but they will take note of Jo's dishonest (or dense) debate tactics, in order to improve their own.
I will continue to respond to Jo's idiotic posts.
@Simon Moon: RE: "... but it is possible there may be other theists lurking" Full, agreement. I will amend my previous assertion. "I feel I am wasting my time. " All I am doing is repeating myself over and over and over. How many ways must we repeat "Atheism is a lack of belief in God." I too hope the lurkers can see into the idiocy of Jo's posts and walk away with at least a small shift in perspective.
More indisputable evidence that Jo is an incorrigibly dishonest liar, without a shred of integrity.
https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/i-am-aatheist
Shame on you Jo, and so much for your beliefs if this is how relentlessly mendacious you can be.
Here is Jo's latest appalling litany of repetitious lies...
https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/i-am-aatheist
Thou shalt not bear false witness Jo, so I think we are starting to suspect you're not even a christian, and are simply trolling.
https://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/debate-room/if-christianity-were-...
And on and on Jo's lies go...dear oh dear...
Jo is back with the same ole BS. He has not picked up a damn thing. Talking with Jo is like teaching a whale to walk on land. Just when you think you are making progress, the damn thing crawls back into the water and loses its' legs. FUCK!
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