Read these two chapters with the highlighted topic in mind about Judas Iscariots Death in context.
Matthew 27(:5)
And Acts 1(:18)
I’ve listed the book and chapter which I want us to read, yet the verses in parenthesis to where and how he died.
If anyone’s interested I want to see what atheists think and whatever intelligence they have with a clear mind for me to see that I’m not bugging..
but I’m sure I’ll probably still have believers tell me that falling
Headlong is the same as being hanged somehow .
It’s a clear contradiction and within context of Judas dying it isn’t the only contradiction in what is asked to be read.
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THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION SURROUNDING JUDAS’ DEATH BUT RATHER TWO DESCRIPTIONS GIVEN BY TWO DIFFERENT AUTHORS OF THE SAME EVENT.
https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/how-did-judas-die/
Remember.... There are no contradictions in the bible. It does not matter how you argue it. Christians have been creating excuses for 2000 Years.
Are you being sarcastic?
I think so.
Yes, sarcastic.
Yes, mocking Italianish for posting an Op like that.
@Italianish: (HINT) "Christians have been creating excuses for 2000 years.) :-)
Ugh...I said ugh because Judas originally hung himself (Matthew) but then the branch broke (Acts) BUT the money thing. It’s hard to buy something when you’ve just thrown it into the temple.
The temple officials did not accept the money back.
@ Lion
I read the text - stttrrrretttched the branch idea BUT he threw the money in. No one says it was returned to him or not accepted, and since when doesn’t a church accept money? Nope that is “adding” too much. Even wearing an apologist hat, that I couldn’t ethically “read into”.
Edited to add : just read Grinseed below and he covered some surrounding text - I just stayed with the text given.
Lion IRC "The temple officials did not accept the money back."
Alegedly...
@ Italianish
With all due respect I do not wish to offend you. But I don't give a crap on fine details from the bible. That is because I have not been convinced there is a god.
The bible is not the proof, it is the claim.
Because if one uses just one book to prove anything, then Harry Potter is real.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courtier%27s_reply
@ Lion IRC
I will honestly admit I do not have the comprehensive knowledge of the history and contents of the bible as others in this forum. But I do not have to proceed to that point because I have not been convinced of a god.
The bible is the claim not the proof.
But if you can convince me of a god with evidence, the please present it.
... for me, the exercise is like when my boys get arguing over details of Master-Chief’s back story on Halo. It can get heated and they’ll ask me what makes sense - so I throw in my 2 cents.
edit
Never mind, however I would like clear answers please.
@Italianish
Just to help put your mind at ease real quick, the sarcasm you are detecting is real, but it is not directed toward making fun of you. It is directed toward the ridiculousness of the bible stories and contradictions that plague the entire bible. It is meant to point out the folly of those things in which so many people believe. In other words, it is very difficult for many of us to take any of those stories seriously, so our natural response is that of treating it like the dark comedy that it is. But please be assured the sarcasm is not meant to make fun of you.
@Italianish: I thought I was pretty clear.
"The temple officials did not accept the money back." - Lion IRC
The Gospel according to Matthew says they did.
Matthew 27
5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.
6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.
7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.
I expect you will quibble about how they did not accept the blood money into the Temple treasury, but non the less they accepted the money and used it to pay for the potters field which was probably entered under the Temple ledger under "assets" .
Matthew 27:5 "And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself." - Probably written about 70CE most likely in Antioch.
Acts 1:18 "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst assunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." - Estimated written about 70CE or later very likely in Rome.
One guy, one suicide, two different versions, written by two authors 40 years after the event and separated by 2,000 kms around the same time (little chance of collaboration?), each version likely sourced from hearsay, unverifiable sources and very likely no eyewitness accounts.
Is anyone really surprised there would be a great difference in detail? Half the stories in the Bible are just like this for various reasons but mainly because there were so many different writers and no overriding editor, well at least no divine omnipotent one and more importantly no style manual.
However this guy Judas is supposed to have died, it has no bearing on the claims to the divinity of the rabbi Yeshua aka, Jesus (which for the record I accept as most likely a real person, following Joseph Campbell's view that at the heart of every myth is a kernel of truth). It also has no bearing on theist claims to a divine creator god.
edited for the style manual, very important for keeping consistency in any document created by different writers.
Thank You.
I hope this isn’t a burden to anyone here..
I’m really trying to move on, I don’t want to burden myself with any religion.
My mind is wrapped in layers of conditioning and repression.
I, personally, do not give a shit what the Bible says. It is not a problem in my life.