Let's just understand who mohammed really was.
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Pedo prophet can't say khutbah.
Dear brother you don't have to use "bad words" or call names in order to prove or disprove a point.
I am not slandering Muhammad by calling him a pedophile - I am just stating what Aisha said about him.
Since you don't like talking about big bang we can move to the next point about light of the moon.
The light of the Moon is it its own light or reflected light?
So the atheist will tell us, previously we thought the Moon has its own light. Recently we come to know in science. Recently means 100 years back, 200 years back, we have come to know that the light of the Moon is not its own light but a reflected light.
The Quran mentions 1400 years ago in Surah Al-Furqan [Chapter 25], Verse 61. That “Blessed is He who had placed the constellation in the skies and placed therein a lamp [a Sun] having its own light and the Moon having reflected light or borrowed light.” The Arabic word used for moonlight in the Quran is ‘Muneer or Noor’ meaning reflected light or borrowed light.
Who could have mentioned in Quran 1400 years ago? That the light of the Moon is not its own light but reflected light. ?
I am perfectly happy to talk about the Big Bang. I have already mentioned that writers wrote about a Big Bang thousands of years before Islam was created. I understand that you would not like to discuss this further.
Anaxagoras for one knew about the Moon's light being reflected light more than a thousand years before Islam was created.
so that's a concrete proof for us to follow Islam?
do you cherry-pick your qur'an? tasnim?
does that make you a true islam? isn't that hypocrisy?
rational argument doesn't work with religious people...
otherwise we wont be arguing with you now..
It was known at least 2200 years ago (and perhaps much longer than that) that the light from the Moon is reflected. The question(s) I'd like to ask you is "who told you that lie" and "why did you believe it"?
Tasnim ....
For your information...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsRpkav_H2A
Tasnim Mohammed,
"The Quran mentions 1400 years ago in Surah Al-Furqan [Chapter 25], Verse 61. That “Blessed is He who had placed the constellation in the skies and placed therein a lamp [a Sun] having its own light and the Moon having reflected light or borrowed light.”
This copy of the Koran says = "61. Blessed is He who placed constellations in the sky, and placed in it a lamp, and an illuminating moon."
https://www.clearquran.com/downloads/quran-english-translation-clearqura...
This copy says = "Blessed is He who has placed in the sky great stars and placed therein a [burning] lamp and luminous moon."
http://tanzil.net/#25:61
This copy says = "Blessed is He Who has placed in the skies constellations and has placed therein a lamp and a moon shining."
http://islamawakened.com/quran/25/61/default.htm
OK, so where's the damn lamp?
There is no authentic Hadith that says that. Call 877 whyislam and will discuss it further
Which hadith collections do you choose to find authentic?
I went to the next topic because you seemed that you denied and try to find whatever thing you can to prove your point. Sorry if that was offensive.
So you want me to prove big bang then before it there must be something. You can't just say that you came from nothing. Right!
Here is logic proof. Think by yourself, by the brains you have.
https://youtu.be/9Ur8MY3fRR4
Thank you.
Big bang explained more
https://youtu.be/k_x9A4P0taQ
At 2:17 the speaker says the Koran describes the early universe as being filled with smoke; and that this is a "more scientifically correct" description that when scientists say it was "mere gas". Well guess what? Smoke contains carbon; carbon did not exist in the early universe. This guy is an idiot.
Tasnim Mohammed,
"Big bang explained more"
So you really think that the Koran explains the Big Bang? If it's so smart then why does it say that pieces of the sky will fall on your head? Is there any record of that ever happening?
Surah 34:9 = "9. Do they not reflect upon what lies before them and behind them, of the heaven and the earth? If We will, We can make the earth cave in beneath them, or make pieces of the sky fall down on them. In that is a sign for every devout servant."
https://www.clearquran.com/downloads/quran-english-translation-clearqura...
Sahih Hadith
I hope that answers your question
@Quasi Call 877 whyislam and we are more than happy to argue more
that's why we call this room debate room..we do it all here..why would i/us call you??its futile anyway..you won't listen...
rather i'll recommend you calling "the atheist experience" here is the number (1-512-686-0279)
you can argue with them on phone all you want with your irrational belief...
thanks but not thanks...and i'm still working now..so don't have much time...
Here is Why Islam website you can contact whichever way you want.
https://www.whyislam.org
Dear atheist you are more welcome to join online forum and ask post your questions.
http://forum.whyislam.org/default.asp
@Tasnim ....
I have 2 questions for you....... that is FOR YOU...... not the propaganda site you keep plugging.....
1/ What have you ,as a muslima" ,been told about the episode called "Isra and Mi'raj" ?
A brief description will do...who went where and why..?
2/ Has the Quran ever been edited/changed ..?
No tricks...... I just want to know what you are taught..... what you have been told .... ?
Brother atheist the sites I gave was nothing but what I would have answered.
Thank you for your questions.
1. Isra is when prophet Muhammad PBUH and angel Gabriel went from Makkah to Jerusalem and Miraj is the ascending to the heaven. They used buraq for the transportation. It took place at night 27 Rajab. On that night Muhammad PBUH met the Messengers peace be upon them all. He received many commands including the 5 daily prayers when he reached the highest heaven. After that he was returned from there to Aqsa and on to Makkah at the same night.
It happened because the prophet had many problems and faced many challenges like the death if his wife and uncle, the incident at taif and so forth. God promised that WITH every dificult there is ease. So God made this to happen as a reward and ease for him and sign to others.
2. Quran was never edited and will never be edited or changed. It is He who revealed and He will protect it. It is as it was from the first day it was revealed nothing renewed or removed.
I hope this answers your questions if not let me know.
Tasnim Mohammed,
"2. Quran was never edited and will never be edited or changed. It is He who revealed and He will protect it. It is as it was from the first day it was revealed nothing renewed or removed."
You win a cheer for the joke of the day! Who formatted the Koran into numbered chapters and verses like the Bible? And when did he do it?
@ Tasnim......
" Brother atheist the sites I gave was nothing but what I would have answered".
First..... I ai'nt your brother !
Second...."sites I gave was nothing but what I would have answered"
............... and yet you admonish us to use our brains and think for ourselves...... while you utilise you "crib sheet"...
OK...enough of that..... with respect to the Isra & Miraj .....
I'll let the impossibility of the Buraq slide.... its just typical mythological practice to have fantastic beasts in stories.... Pegasus the winged horse and Odins eight legged horse Sleipnir spring to mind. So the Islamic Buraq (possibly based on the Babylonian Lamassu statues ....) is nothing out of the ordinary mythological terms.
You say that after his little trip to heaven Mohammad was returned to Aqsa ..... now was this Aqsa the Mosque in Jerusalem or was it the temple in Jerusalem.... I have been told both in the past ...
I just wondered what you were taught.... and why you hadn't noticed that it could not be either.
The Aqsa Mosque was not built during the Prophets life..... and the temple had been destroyed around 500 years before he was born....
Now I believe there is a Hadith story saying that the prophet claimed to have seen the building in Jerusalem and described it in detail .... and was backed up in his description by Abu Bakr who claimed to know the building.....
Thus getting the title As Saddiq....the truthfull....
what do you think....? who was lying ? Which is wrong... Mohammad ,Abu Bakr ,the Quran or the Hadith ?
"Quran was never edited and will never be edited or changed."
" It is He who revealed and He will protect it."
Interesting claim ....but provably false..... Or HE fell down on the job.
What about the Sanaa Palimpsest
"Part of a sizable cache of Quranic and non-Quranic fragments discovered in Yemen during a 1972 restoration of the Great Mosque of Sana'a, the manuscript was identified as a palimpsest Quran in 1981; as it is written on parchment and comprises two layers of text.
The upper text largely conforms to the standard 'Uthmanic' Quran in text and in the standard order of suras; whereas the lower text contains many variations from the standard text, and the sequence of its suras corresponds to no known quranic order."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%27a_manuscript
So you see .... at some point in the early days of Islam there were other versions of the Quran ....... different versions...... It would seem that you have been lied to....
I think it is you that must ask questions of your "WhyIslam" site..... see if they can explain....
edited to add " is nothing out of the ordinary mythological terms."
Now Tasmin is violating the forum guidelines by promoting a website. She is a troll. She doesn't answer questions and just proselytizes endlessly. She doesn't have any proof that muhammed was anything but a 6th-century terrorist and a pedophile.
And when there comes to them a Book from Allah, confirming what is with them,- although from of old they had prayed for victory against those without Faith,- when there comes to them that which they (should) have recognised, they refuse to believe in it but the curse of Allah is on those without Faith. Quran Chapter 2 verse 89
Translation by Yusuf Ali.
http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/QURAN/2.htm
Tasnim Mohammed,
"And when there comes to them a Book from Allah,"
Who numbered the chapters and verses in the Koran and when did he do it?
Yet another violation of the forum guidelines Tasnim!
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