Let's just understand who mohammed really was.

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Let's just understand who mohammed really was.

Now, most of you know who mohammed was and don't buy the bullshit that islam professes. He was no prophet. He didn't move a mountain. He didn't perform any miracles and he didn't ascend into heaven.
He was a poor Arabian unsatisfied with his plot in life and decided to build an organization that would not only unify the many warlords but also cause them to obey him. As Mecca was ground zero of every crackpot religion at the time, mohammed decided that he would model his religion on the success of the greatest myth perpetrated on humankind...christianity. Years later Joseph Smith did exactly the same thing, then L.Ron Hubbard and Moon, and the list keeps growing. The fortunate thing for mohammed was the area and the time that he did this. 6th century Arabia. A place with a wealth of disaffected people who were not only superstitious and illiterate but also persecuted by christians. So forming a religion FROM the christian religion was a stroke of genius. Not only did it tell these poor desert dwellers that all along THEY were the chosen people but it stole the high authority right from the christians. Hijacking, a practice the christians know all too well. Now all mohammed needed to do is unify a few disenfranchised Arab war groups and he was off to the races. He didn't have to fight other Arabs. He could march right in and unify them to fight christians. He could retake land that christians and Europeans had stolen from Persians and Arabs and keep going taking Asian and European land as well.
If you are a people starving and thrown off of your traditional lands by christians and I come to you and say but the christian god has sent me to be a prophet to bring you a new book for god knows that you have been wronged and all you have to do is obey god through me his prophet and we will take back your lands and even more. We will kill all that don't become one of us especially the christians. Wouldn't you mount your camel and follow him?
That is exactly what mohammed did. Nothing fantastic, nothing unusual. The difference between mohammend and the rest of the religious sellers at the time was mohammed offered a working solution to the conditions of the people. Geronimo did exactly the same thing on a much smaller scale. Of course, he didn't write a fictional handbook to go along with his bullshit.
mohammed was an accomplished warlord and nothing more!
jesus was a thief! mohammed was a terrorist! And nothing has changed, nothing! Both were frauds!

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If you like a more recent

If you like a more recent example of just how mohammed actually accomplished his efforts just look at the day to day accounts of Mexican revolutionary general Pancho Villa. That will give you a good understanding how a huge number of people can be manipulated for a false cause, the cause may be genuine but the people leading the cause fraudulent.

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It is a shame that Muhammad

It is a shame that Muhammad didn't stick to being a merchant, rather than moving on to become a bandit, then a terrorist.

Cognostic's picture
I don't have the energy for

I don't have the energy for this one. We really have little to no evidence that Muhammad existed. We have generations of oral stories that were told about him and then eventually written down and later turned into the Koran. For all we know, Muhammad may be as real as Robin Hood.

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Ah but Cog, we do have

Ah but Cog, we do have historical facts that state that "a" muhammed attacked certain cities. The question is, was it "the" muhammed.

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"We really have little to no evidence that Muhammad existed."

I totally agree. Uthman most likely created the character Mohammed in order to sell his religious fairy tale. But unlike the Yeshua character Mohammed got a real human body and character flaws. We know what he generally looked like. We know that he had lice. We know that he suffered from delusions. We know his personal sex habits and so forth. All of that contributes to the idea that he was a real person but there's no evidence that any outsider ever interacted with him.

And remember, we know what Tarzan, the Lone Ranger, and Sherlock Holmes looked like as well.

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If you think logically what

If you think logically what Hitler and his followers did to the Jews and what Muhammad PBUH and his followers did to human beings and other creators it is day and night black and white oil and water. If God and his prophet did not deal with non Muslims peaceful then you wouldn't have this peace today. If believe Muhammad was terrorist then at least compare how many people Muhammad killed, tortured, and bombed to other Non Muslim leaders in history.
don't say anything about Islam if you don't it. Ask 877 whyislam if you want to know more about Islam and Muhammad PBUH.

Truth is always bitter.
We Muslims know that this world is prison for Muslims and Paradise for Non Muslims. We believe that as you and experience that
2- Lost of honesty


Sahih Bukhari Volume 008, Book 076, Hadith Number 503.
Narated By Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "When honesty is lost, then wait for the Hour." It was asked, "How will honesty be lost, O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "When authority is given to those who do not deserve it, then wait for the Hour."

3- The taking away of knowledge and the prevalence of ignorance


Sahih Bukhari Volume 001, Book 003, Hadith Number 081.

Narated By Anas : I will narrate to you a Hadith and none other than I will tell you about after it. I heard Allah's Apostle saying: From among the portents of the Hour are (the following):
1. Religious knowledge will decrease (by the death of religious learned men).
2. Religious ignorance will prevail.
3. There will be prevalence of open illegal sexual intercourse.
4. Women will increase in number and men will decrease in number so much so that fifty women will be looked after by one man.


All this is what you are seeing, experiencing every now and then and it will continue to happen.

Muhammad didn't speak by his will.

Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.
Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.
The Quran is nothing less than a revelation that is sent to him.
It was taught to him by [an angel] with mighty powers. Chapter 53 verse 2-5
Will they not think about this Quran? If it had been from anyone other than God, they would have found much inconsistency in it. 4:82

not the words of a poet- how little you believe!-
nor the words of a soothsayer- how little you reflect!
This is) a Message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds.
And if the messenger were to invent any sayings in Our name,
We would certainly have seized his right hand
And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:
and none of you could have defended him.
I highly appreciate anyone who challenges Islam and ask about it.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

MCDennis's picture
god? Which god are you

god? Which god are you referring to? My personal favorite gods are thor and aquaman

Sky Pilot's picture
Tasnim Mohammed,

Tasnim Mohammed,

The hadiths are 100 percent pure camel shit, written centuries after Mohammed supposedly bit the dust. They are less credible than a zombie movie. But they do help sell the fairy tale.

mykcob4's picture
What the fuck are you talking

What the fuck are you talking about? You don't make any fucking sense.
You said " If God and his prophet did not deal with non Muslims peaceful then you wouldn't have this peace today"
What fucking god there is no god and mohammed was no fucking prophet. If he existed at all he was a warlord terrorist.
Don't hand me your religious bullshit. You don't know a thing. Citing the Quran is worthless, it is a book of pure fiction so don't hand me any of that fucking crap.

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Muhammad and his god were

Muhammad and his god were terrorists, by their own admission:
koran 8:12-14 "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes." This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is Severe in punishment. This is the torment, so taste it, and surely for the disbelievers is the torment of the Fire."

Sahih Bukhari (52:220) 'Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)'

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The Koran and the Bible are identical. They both have the same threats and promises except the Bible has more of them.

Psalm 9:20 (NIV) = "Strike them with terror, Lord; let the nations know they are only mortal."

Proverbs 1:26(NKJV) = "I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your terror comes,"

Isaiah 19:17 (NIV) = "And the land of Judah will bring terror to the Egyptians; everyone to whom Judah is mentioned will be terrified, because of what the Lord Almighty is planning against them."

Ezekiel 23:46 (ERV) = "This is what the Lord God said: “Gather the people together to punish and terrorize Oholah and Oholibah."

Acts 21:37-38 (CEV) = "37 When Paul was about to be taken into the fortress, he asked the commander, “Can I say something to you?” “How do you know Greek?” the commander asked. 38 “Aren’t you that Egyptian who started a riot not long ago and led four thousand terrorists into the desert?”

Sapporo's picture
I agree that the distinction

I agree that the distinction between Muhammad and Hitler is indeed black and white. Muhammad was far worse than Hitler, as he not only committed and promoted genocide, he also wished eternal torture for all those who did not accept him as a prophet.

Sheldon's picture
Wow, your argument for Islam

Wow, your argument for Islam being a religion of peace is that Mohammed wasn't as bad as Hitler, priceless. HE wasn't a prophet and the koran is entirely man made. You don't seem to understand what objective evidence is, that's something you have in common with most of the christian apologists on this site anyway.

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If it doesn't make sense then

If it doesn't make sense then how come all things mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadith are being experienced now. Please cool down your anger and go back and read it carefully and tell me if it is what is happening now or not. I'm not telling anyone to believe in God and his prophet because there is no forcing in Islam. Open your mind and read with logic dear brothers and or sisters in humanity.

That is true I don't know a thing except the one I was given.

Isn't honesty lost this days?
Isn't time passing by fast?
Aren't women more than men?
The Hour will not be established till a man passes by a grave of somebody and says, 'Would that I were in his place.'
Aren't the building and construction taller than before?
children will become so bad mannered and insolent towards their parents that they treat their parents as though they were their slaves - and this is what we see in today’s society. Is this true today or not?

liar is believed, the truthful is called a liar, the honest is called a traitor, the traitor will be entrusted.

Have you seen this or experienced it?

Assigning special greetings to V.I.P's and women helping their husbands in business
Women revolution right?
Nations will call each other to destroy Islam (Islamic values, culture, teachings, muslims) by any and every means
This is exactly what is going on now and you check news if you want?
when a trust becomes a means of making a profit;

when a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother;

(5) and treats his friend kindly whilst shunning his father;

when the leader of a people is the worst of them;

when people treat a man with respect because they fear some evil he may do;

(9) when much wine is drunk;

(10) when men wear silk;

(11) when female singers and

(12) musical instruments become popular;


I know that you don't want to believe it and you are trying to find away to escape the truth. Try your best but it will never benefit you my dear.

Did you ever thought when you open some Muslims graves you see the exact body as it was put at that time and nothing changed no torn clothes or anything and you smell beautiful scents?
Have you seen or thought of why when you open non Muslim graves you see bones? Have you seen some graves have snakes? May God forbid it from me and any Muslim.
Have you thought of why some kids born as memorizer of the Quran??? A 1 year old? Have you thought of who wrote verse of Qur'an on some babies skins?
Have you thought of why when you open some vegetables like tomatoes you see the Allah or Muhammad in Arabic? Have you thought of why some fruits like watermelon have the Allah or Muhammad in Arabic?
It might be so simple to you but a sign from your Creator and a witness against you on the day of judgement?

Most of them follow nothing but assumptions, but assumptions can be of no value at all against the Truth: God is well aware of what they do. 10:36

When the Truth did come to them from Us, they said: "This is indeed evident sorcery!"10:76

Say, ‘People, the Truth has come to you from your Lord. Whoever follows the right path follows it for his own good, and whoever strays does so to his own loss: I am not your guardian.’ 10:108

We only send the messengers to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned! 18:56

But the disbelievers deny the truth when it comes to them; they are in a state of confusion.50:5

Those who have no knowledge also say, ‘If only God would speak to us!’ or ‘If only a miraculous sign would come to us!’ People before them said the same things: their hearts are all alike. We have made Our signs clear enough to those who have solid faith. 2:118

but every time revelation comes to them from their Lord, they turn their backs on it. 6:4

Are they waiting to see if the angels come to them, or thy Lord (Himself), or certain of the signs of thy Lord! the day that certain of the signs of thy Lord do come, no good will it do to a soul to believe in them then if it believed not before nor earned righteousness through its faith. Say: "Wait ye: we too are waiting." 6:158

So many to see but without reflecting and thinking it means you allow yourself to be deceived.

READ QURAN it will be a direct speech to you.

In this Quran, We have set out ALL kinds of examples for people, yet most of them persist in disbelieving. 17:89

Soon will We show them our Signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord doth witness all things? 41:53


Call 877- whyislam for more questions you have.

Thank you for your time and patience.

ZeffD's picture
Tasnim Mohammad: "If it doesn

Tasnim Mohammad: "If it doesn't make sense then how come all things mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadith are being experienced now. "
Put what you wrote with the other superstition....

..On the face of it, the test is simple: if what the prophet predicts comes to pass, he is a true prophet; if not, not. Clearly, though, it was not that simple....


Perhaps Tasnim Mohammad was raised "in the faith"? Most people spout the religion they were taught as a child. Some people find the superstition that suits their delusions.

One can't reason with the deluded. Every religion has its god and the idea of the 'one true religion' or the 'one true god' is totally absurd. All religions and gods are obviously the inventions of mankind. Islam simply happens to be popular in some of the least educated and developed parts of the world. Many of its followers reject separation of Church and State and political democracy as "Western", whereas these ideas are simply what is proven to work most successfully. (The least worst system, as Winston Churchill put it).

Islam, like any superstition, is a burden to any society and to any individual.

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The questions is as you

The questions is as you quoted"If it doesn't make sense then how come all things mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadith are being experienced now. "
It is not about making you accept Islam, please answer my question.
Thank you.

Sky Pilot's picture
Tasnim Mohammed,

Tasnim Mohammed,

If the Koran and the fake hadiths are so good why have muslims faced pain, hardships, and disasters for the past 1,400 years? It seems that their religious beliefs are just a big waste of time since their average life experiences have been so lousy.

If Allah was real you would think that he would take better care of his minions.

ZeffD's picture
I did answer your question.

I did answer your question. You can't understand the answer because you are obsessed by one particular religion.

Changing the subject for a moment: what do you think of the Big Bang Theory?

Aposteriori unum's picture
Even if there were a couple

Even if there were a couple vague "prophecies " that you could retrofit what's happening today in the world with, it is much more likely to be coincidence than anything. Even if they were more specific and we could agree that the coincidences are a little spooky... It doesn't save the Qur'an from all the clear nonsense that it contains. The story of Nooh and the flood for example. It's not just unlikely, but impossible. Magic and demons and angels and moving mountains, et cetera... Not one of which is evidenced to exist or be possible by the most liberal standards. The bible, the Qur'an and the tannakh all suffer from the same amount of insane bollocks.

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Actually we do not have the name Muhammad being used. Largely it is assumed many of the cities attacked were attacked by Muhammad. The attacker is called:"The General, The Instructor, or King of the Arabs." Go to 16:40 on the video. It is later that the name Muhammad is attached to many of these wars through nothing more than assumption.


mykcob4's picture
Granted Cog. I can't and will

Granted Cog. I can't and will not verify if mohammed existed. I am just illustrating the strategy that people use to grow a myth to the status of religion. If there was a mohammed, he was a warlord terrorist.

Cognostic's picture
Eeewwww Prophecy! MORE BS

Eeewwww Prophecy! MORE BS from the believers. You get to interpret the Koran your way and I get to interpret it mine.

"Shall we believe as the foolish believe?"
According to the Quran, the answer is, yes. To be truly wise you must believe whatever the foolish believe. 2:13

Since you regard us foolish for our non-belief, you are in violation of the very mandates of Muhammad and the Koran. You will burn in hell for your non-belief. This is the prophecy handed down to Atheists. Muhammad has spoken to us. (Prove me wrong!)

Sapporo's picture
"Muhammad" is just a

"Muhammad" is just a honorific or title meaning praiseworthy, glorified - similar to "Christ" being a honorific or title meaning anointed or chosen one. Any early references to an individual of that name should therefore not be taken as proof of a person born with the name Muhammad - a practice that only started to happen after the foundation of Islam. "Muhammad" is likely to be simply the honorific that the founder of Islam went by - Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan is one possible candidate.

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Thank you brother @zeffd.

Thank you brother @zeffd.
Big bang theory was mentioned in Quran 1400 years ago.
Surat Al-Anbiya [Chapter 21], verse 30 “Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the Earth were a joint together and we clove them asunder.”

What you're talking about the Big Bang is already mention in the Quran 1400 years ago.

Who could have mention that ?
In response to other ideas brought up

And, when they see a Sign, turn it to mockery, 37:14

Sapporo's picture
Many writers mentioned the

Many writers mentioned the Big Bang centuries and millenia before Islam:

Sheldon's picture
"Big bang theory was

"Big bang theory was mentioned in Quran 1400 years ago."

No it wasn't, don't be absurd.

"Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?"

That doesn't remotely mention the big bang theory, are you on drugs?

Sky Pilot's picture
Tasnim Mohammed,

Tasnim Mohammed,

According to Surah 18:9-25 some youths went into a cave and slept for 309 years. When they woke up they were fresh as ever. Even bears only sleep for a short time in the winter. It may not be a good idea to rely upon the Koran for scientific facts like the beginning of the universe.

mykcob4's picture
The Quron didn't predict

The Quron didn't predict anything least of which the big bang. I love all these so-called "predictions'. They are never specific and they can be applied to anything after the fact. You are lying your ass off Tasnim Mohammed!


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